I see from your profile you have been a member for 16 hours. If you do some thread searches you will find out all about bluesky. We also all know you can buy CND from Internet sites, nothing new there,but there are ONLY TWO registered distributors for CND in the UK! If you buy from various other sources it cannot be guaranteed it is genuine! Enjoy the site!
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I see from your profile you have been a member for 16 hours. If you do some thread searches you will find out all about bluesky. We also all know you can buy CND from Internet sites, nothing new there,but there are ONLY TWO registered distributors for CND in the UK! If you buy from various other sources it cannot be guaranteed it is genuine! Enjoy the site!
magentatears
Unicorn!
My point wasnt that 'bluesky' was fake but that the product being sold as shellac to the OP's client was fake as in fake shellac...
Oh ok sorry my misunderstanding. I totally disagree with people who use bluesky and try pass it off as shellac x
Why does that matter how long I've been a member. I actually used to me a member a couple of years ago but I removed myself cause of how bad it got. Thought this time things might have changed. I know all about bluesky and have done lots of research on it.
CocoAllure
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We're all so divided when it comes to bluesky-don't take it personally. [emoji175]
Thankyou! I do understand there is always going to be people who absolutely slate it and everyone entitled to their own opinion. But if people looked into abit more now they would see how much it's actually changed. Fair enough they copied their branding Ect that's bad! But I've seen adverts on TV before where I've thought jheeez that's just a rip of such and such advert (it's the aldi one ok thinking off)Excuse my explanation lol!! But I think I'll leave it at that anyway
don't want to argue all night xxNancySyd
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Bluesky and CCO have been seized by legal authorities here in the US at trade shows! (http://www.bna.com/counterfeit-nail-polish-seized/)There is no requirement for a trade show other than the ability to pay for the booth. This product (along with others) has been legally described as a counterfeit. They had to be sued by CND and HNH to remove Shellac and Gelish from their bottles (http://www.leagle.com/decision/In F...RMONY, INC. v. GUANGZHOU COCOME COSMETICS, CO), but still use their graphic identity.
Go to the website. Try to find the MSDS. Not there. Look for professional education, training, customer and marketing support. Not there. Look for associated products. Not there. Is this a product that, as a professional, you want to be associated with?
The have accredited training here with bluesky in the uk. You an also find all their saftey sheets on their website
NancySyd
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The have accredited training here with bluesky in the uk. You an also find all their saftey sheets on their website
OK - here's their website - https://blueskyuk.world - where are the MSDS?
willowrose
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Guangzhou Bluesky Chemical Technology Company, the manufacturers of bluesky gel polish, do not offer an education programme.
Bluesky UK, an independent UK distributor, offer training. They have registered the name Bluesky in the UK & offer training under their company name. This is done to confuse people such as yourself that bluesky, the manufacturer of gel polish, offer an education programme when in fact they don't.
Guangzhou Bluesky are a consumer brand. Their business model functions around the concept of offering their product range to the widest customer base possible. They do this by selling anywhere & to everyone.
The Aldi analogy is poor. An equivalent would be if Aldi manufactured a line called Tesco finest. They then used all the associated trademarked Tesco branding on the packaging & sold it in Aldi. They would be stealing the intellectual property of a competitor which is exactly what Bluesky China continue to do.
2 of the gel polish lines that Bluesky China continue to produce are called "gelish" & "shellac". They manufacture products using a competitor's brand identity & branding. Guangzhou Bluesky, makers of Bluesky gel polish, also manufacture fakes.
All this aside what would always concern me is what is actually in the bottles. It's common knowledge that Chinese manufacturing is notoriously unregulated. They do not have the safeguards that western brands expect as standard & they are not averse to "substitutions" and "alterations" to the ingredients listed. As someone who has visited a handful of Chinese cosmetic factories I can say the experience was eye opening & concerning.
This is a country that notoriously had such lax manufacturing protocols that adulterated baby milk managed to hospitalise 50 thousand babies.
When a Western brand manufactures in the third world there is a level of transparency & also a heightened level of monitoring at a manufacturing level. You pay specialist consultants to oversee production and ensure nothing untoward is happening.
We aren't talking about trainers. We are talking about cosmetic chemical products that touch the skin. You will note that barely any cosmetics are produced in China despite the enticing operational costs. For me the safety concerns should be enough to dissuade anyone from stocking a third world product manufactured without at least basic Western safeguards.
Bluesky UK, an independent UK distributor, offer training. They have registered the name Bluesky in the UK & offer training under their company name. This is done to confuse people such as yourself that bluesky, the manufacturer of gel polish, offer an education programme when in fact they don't.
Guangzhou Bluesky are a consumer brand. Their business model functions around the concept of offering their product range to the widest customer base possible. They do this by selling anywhere & to everyone.
The Aldi analogy is poor. An equivalent would be if Aldi manufactured a line called Tesco finest. They then used all the associated trademarked Tesco branding on the packaging & sold it in Aldi. They would be stealing the intellectual property of a competitor which is exactly what Bluesky China continue to do.
2 of the gel polish lines that Bluesky China continue to produce are called "gelish" & "shellac". They manufacture products using a competitor's brand identity & branding. Guangzhou Bluesky, makers of Bluesky gel polish, also manufacture fakes.
All this aside what would always concern me is what is actually in the bottles. It's common knowledge that Chinese manufacturing is notoriously unregulated. They do not have the safeguards that western brands expect as standard & they are not averse to "substitutions" and "alterations" to the ingredients listed. As someone who has visited a handful of Chinese cosmetic factories I can say the experience was eye opening & concerning.
This is a country that notoriously had such lax manufacturing protocols that adulterated baby milk managed to hospitalise 50 thousand babies.
When a Western brand manufactures in the third world there is a level of transparency & also a heightened level of monitoring at a manufacturing level. You pay specialist consultants to oversee production and ensure nothing untoward is happening.
We aren't talking about trainers. We are talking about cosmetic chemical products that touch the skin. You will note that barely any cosmetics are produced in China despite the enticing operational costs. For me the safety concerns should be enough to dissuade anyone from stocking a third world product manufactured without at least basic Western safeguards.
magentatears
Unicorn!
IMO that website looks rushed and not somewhere I would go to buy products. As all i have to go by is the majority of comments on forums like this, i personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole - the only ppl who get defensive and upset over ppls views are the ones who use bluesky - either way my personal opinion is that i will not use something that, on the whole, has a very bad reputation and is not recommended by most nail techs.
You can cover a poop in glitter, but it's still a poop.... is what comes to my mind when it's said that bluesky is now trying its hardest to become a professional brand - too little too late in most peoples eyes. But as ive stated - this is MY opinion - so take it as you wish
NancySyd
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I really don't want to get into bashing Chinese products; that is not my intention here. You only have to look at the recent recall of frozen food here in the US to see that western transparency and safeguards are often violated and often fail to protect us. I have worked in China (and although China is a developing country, China is hardly "third world") and find that most Chinese workers are honest, hard-working, and ethical, and most products are of good quality. There are a couple of Chinese gel polish brands that are excellent - but they stand on their own as legitimate brands. The problem in China is not that everything is bad. The problem is the lack of regulatory oversight and poor copyright/intellectual property/trademark protection. That means that if you want to do bad, it is easy enough to do it and easy enough to get away with it.
In that context, Bluesky is an example of a product that violates trademarks, fails to provide safety information, fails to provide appropriate support for industry professionals, and markets directly to consumers. Not every Chinese cosmetic is bad, but Bluesky is not an example of the best China has to offer.
In that context, Bluesky is an example of a product that violates trademarks, fails to provide safety information, fails to provide appropriate support for industry professionals, and markets directly to consumers. Not every Chinese cosmetic is bad, but Bluesky is not an example of the best China has to offer.
JERSEY JOCK
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Here here, someone talking factual, hope everyone listens!!!
NancySyd
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You have proven my point! That's the wrong website. That's the website for the Bluesky company, one of the distributors for Bluesky. It is not the website for Bluesky UK that we have been talking about and which is offering the training. Also, you cannot access the MSDS from the home page, and a search does not reveal it. You must go to About Us and go through the narrative and then you get an "MSDS" for one product. This is precisely the lack of transparency that willow rose discussed.
Look, if you want to use Bluesky, that's your right as long as you are honest with your clients. It's your business and you will rise or fall depending on the choices you make. But the facts are the facts, and they are available and accessible.
willowrose
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@NancySyd I didn't think my post insinuated anything more sinister however I now feel the need to refute any suggestion emphatically. I'm not madly keen on the subtext of your post
With regards to China not being third world... Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. Lol.
I think in the original cold war context they were classified as second world but in its current meaning - a country that has extremely poor human rights, widespread poverty, a secret state & a location other countries use for cheap manual labour - then I maintain it's third world
With regards to China not being third world... Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. Lol.
I think in the original cold war context they were classified as second world but in its current meaning - a country that has extremely poor human rights, widespread poverty, a secret state & a location other countries use for cheap manual labour - then I maintain it's third world
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I was merely pointing out thread searches to be helpful! [emoji15] as this thread has turned into YET ANOTHER BLUESKY BATTLE ....I'm out!
NancySyd
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@NancySyd I didn't think my post insinuated anything more sinister however I now feel the need to refute any suggestion emphatically. I'm not madly keen on the subtext of your post
With regards to China not being third world... Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. Lol.
I think in the original cold war context they were classified as second world but in its current meaning - a country that has extremely poor human rights, widespread poverty, a secret state & a location other countries use for cheap manual labour - then I maintain it's third world
I just wanted to make clear that the issues you presented around Chinese manufacturing should not be regarded as a wholesale condemnation of Chinese products, since I thought they could easily be interpreted that way. You are correct that we will have to disagree, but for the record, China does not have widespread poverty and has a huge and growing middle class. My experience in China (and in the third world) convince me that China is not third world. As for the other standards, I think we'd have to admit that segments of both of our own countries meet many of those standards.
