Botox training

[PrincessJen83]

Hi, Can anyone clarify what standard of qualification you need to have to become a botox nurse?
I have recently had lip fillers (along with 3 other friends) and another friend had botox off this girl who claims she trained for a year at Harley Medical Group.
All 5 of us had very poor results with very unprofessional responses from her when complaining.
I have since found out that she is a paramedic, but as far as i thought you had to be a qualified clinician these days.
I have worked for the NHS for over 10 years and i know that a paramedic holds no medical degree.
Please help...we are all thinking off taking this further to get our money back!

Thanks xx

 

[izzidoll]

Information given on this thread should help.....http://www.salongeek.com/consumer-queries/230151-skincare-tanning-botox-training-non-medics.html

 

[Matthew Taylor]

Heinsight is a great thing, but maybe investigate who will be sticking needles into your face BEFORE they do it and not after?

 

[Chrysalis]

Hi
In uk you must be a doctor, nurse or dentist, simple!
I agree with previous comments you should always check before you have a treatment.
There are many dual trained professionals too that hold two sometimes three qualifications too, so could be paramedic but also a nurse. You can check the professional registers,
GMC for doctors
NMC for nurses
GDC for dentists

 

[Chrysalis]

Am I correct in thinking you want to take this further to get your money back?

That will not hold in court, you have had the treatment no results are guaranteed, if you are interested in complaining regarding professional qualifications, that does not equal you getting your money back.
Most aesthetic practitioners are private and separate from the NHS it's far more complex than that.

What are you not happy about that all three of yous are unhappy?

 

[PrincessJen83]

I did ask before my treatment. She told me she had done the full training and went into some detail about it.

After non of the treatments have worked, and after trying to get some advice from her but receiving snotty, unprofessional responses from her, I got worried and thought maybe she isn't everything she states. This is when I discovered that she is a paramedic.

I am more interested in taking this further to stop people who shouldn't be practicing this treatment getting away with working and getting to charge serious £££ when they aren't trained and prevent further people falling for it, than getting my money back. Getting the money back woul just be a bonus.

Thanks Chrysalis, I will check the register.

 

[Chrysalis]

Dear op
Your original question was who can administer botox but fillers are not botox and at the moment almost anyone can administer fillers. This area is currently unregulated but lots of legislation is pending.

Probably bu next year new legislation will come in to stop anyone injecting fillers.

Botox is a prescription medicine which is regulated in law via the medicines act.

Fillers are a medical device which no prescription is currently required so is outside the act.

Hope that isn't confusing you more

 

[skingeek78]

Hi
In uk you must be a doctor, nurse or dentist, simple!
I agree with previous comments you should always check before you have a treatment.
There are many dual trained professionals too that hold two sometimes three qualifications too, so could be paramedic but also a nurse. You can check the professional registers,
GMC for doctors
NMC for nurses
GDC for dentists

I am not in the UK anymore but an ex colleague informed me that Dental Hygienists and Veterinary Surgeons can also administer injectables? I dismissed this at the time but I guess anything is possible :-( for fillers anyway

 

[PrincessJen83]

Dear op
Your original question was who can administer botox but fillers are not botox and at the moment almost anyone can administer fillers. This area is currently unregulated but lots of legislation is pending.

Probably bu next year new legislation will come in to stop anyone injecting fillers.

Botox is a prescription medicine which is regulated in law via the medicines act.

Fillers are a medical device which no prescription is currently required so is outside the act.

Hope that isn't confusing you more

Thanks for that. It is all confusing but I think in the future I will go to someone I know 100% is a medical professional.

Thanks for your help and advice.

 

[MisstyB]

Botox is basically used to remove the wrinkles form the skin and below the eyes.the major uses of botox is to tighten the skin which gives the younger and attractive looks.

Sorry just to correct you, Botox will temporarily paralyze the facial muscles which will in turn smooth wrinkles and help prevent their formation, I am not aware that it can be used below the eyes, (botox geeks please correct me if I am wrong) its mainly used to correct frown lines on the forhead, or crows feet, so outer corner of the eyes towards the temporalis. Fillers are injected into the dermis to specifically correct or fill, deeper more prominent lines.
xxxxx

 

[Chrysalis]

Hi
Yes it can be used under the eye and above for blepharospasm in the NHs and fine lines in the aesthetic industry.
Botox has many many uses and more are being discovered every year, unfortunately the media love to try and give it a bad name but it is truly a wonder drug.

We use only small cosmetic doses in the aesthetic industry, the NHS can use huge doses in children to release a contracted arm or leg, however that sort of stuff never gets disclosed in the media as it doesn't give shock factor.

It's used in migraines, anal fissure, bladder irritability, cerebral palsy for contracted limbs, Parkinson's for the same, excessive sweating under the arms, palms of hands and soles of feet, leveling up facial deformities in permanent bells palsy......The list goes on.....

Fillers are very different to botox they are basically poly filler for the skin, plumping and filling mainly and can in the uk be administered by almost anyone. This is changing and changes are already occurring but by next year hopefully will be fully regulated.

Phew!!

 

[Chrysalis]

I am not in the UK anymore but an ex colleague informed me that Dental Hygienists and Veterinary Surgeons can also administer injectables? I dismissed this at the time but I guess anything is possible :-( for fillers anyway

I'm not sure of regulations in other countries but only dentists doctors or nurses can administer botox in the UK. Fillers can be injected by anyone but it is slowly being tightened up here in uk.

So even if the op was given fillers by a paramedic that is not against the law, the administration of botox by a paramedic is.

I'm interested in what the regulations are in other countries if anyone can enlighten me?

 

[Chrysalis]

Just for info vets are usually more qualified than human doctors as they have to learn medicine in lots of species as doctors only learn in one.

A vet can treat a human but a doctor can't treat an animal, generally that is, and doctors cannot treat dental problems, but I digress......

 

[skingeek78]

Just for info vets are usually more qualified than human doctors as they have to learn medicine in lots of species as doctors only learn in one.

A vet can treat a human but a doctor can't treat an animal, generally that is, and doctors cannot treat dental problems, but I digress......

I didn't mean to digress! Or encourage anyone else too, Sorry! My vet is charming and I have the highest admiration but I will probably refrain from allowing him to administer either Botox or Fillers to me :-D

Chrysalis, I am in Italy and it is very different here. To administer medical aesthetics you must be a medical Dr and as far as my current understanding a specialisation in medical aesthetics is required in the form of a post graduate degree. It is generally the field also of Dermatologists and Plastic Surgeons.

Also Vets do not have the same freedom to dispense here, they write a prescription and you must fill at the pharmacy.

Dentists do teeth, I am not aware if they are allowed by law to administer medical aesthetics, but it is generally much stricter here, no grey areas. For example to open a beauty salon / clinic whatever you want to call it, you must have the qualifications of an aesthetician, you cannot work without this, it is 2700 hours to become an aesthetician, If you want a medical clinic or a clinic to offer medical procedures you need to have medical status, so you must be a doctor of medicine. We have general medicine doctors who have specialised areas that they see patients separately on a private basis for, ie ENT or Dermatology usually in their own clinic. Medical aesthetics would be administered only in a clinic here. Laser is definitely Medical (doctors only)

 

[Chrysalis]

I didn't mean to digress! Or encourage anyone else too, Sorry! My vet is charming and I truly have the highest admiration but I will probably refrain from allowing him to administer either Botox or Fillers :-D

Lololol I'm opposite would rather the vet treat me they are always lovely to my dogs extremely digressing

 

[skingeek78]

Lololol I'm opposite would rather the vet treat me they are always lovely to my dogs extremely digressing

Hahaha you are probably right come to think of it! :-D I just added to my previous post as I saw you had asked a question re. Regulations in other countries x

 

[skingeek78]

It would be against regulation for a paramedic to administer filler along with anyone other than a Dr specialised etc etc.. Nursing staff do not have the same freedoms as in the UK even those specialised. The irony of this is that their training is superb, another irony is that they are relied upon heavily by Medics, same as everywhere else in the world really :-D

They love specialisation generally here, which is marked by university diploma or degree

 

[hannahjo]

If I go for a botox treatment the first thing that I would confirm would be whether the person who is gonna perform it has a certification in botox training. Everything else is secondary!

 

[skingeek78]

If I go for a botox treatment the first thing that I would confirm would be whether the person who is gonna perform it has a certification in botox training. Everything else is secondary!

A medical degree is the first thing I would look for :-0 then injectables training