Cassablanca
Well-Known Member
Hi there, just a quickie.....can a BRISA gel lamp cure other brands of gel?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
BRISA gel lamp, can it cure other brands?
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For the best results, it's always advisible to use the correct UV lamp for the gel system you are using:
http://www.salongeek.com/general-articles/35947-choosing-uv-lamp-your-gel-system.html
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http://www.salongeek.com/general-articles/35947-choosing-uv-lamp-your-gel-system.html
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Hope
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Ditto what Noodle say's .......However you will find that some Gel brands will say it is ok to cure their Gels using a Brisa lamp. Brisa however can ONLY be cured using a Brisa lamp
Cassablanca
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Thank you karen, much appreciated!
Just as an FYI, I would disagree that the daylight company light properly cures Brisa 
Glad you love it though
Glad you love it though
HeatherDavis
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It may SEEM to be curing Brisa gel, but it probably ISN'T FULLY CURED! This can lead to service breakdown, and possible sensitivity to product for your client!
Brisa Gel has a VERY LOW amount of Photoinitiator. It's lamp has a VERY HIGH UV output. This is why they work together, and a big reason why Brisa is hypoallergenic. Using another lamp will undercure the brisa gel, and you will NOT get optimum results- CND won't guarantee your product either if you are mis-using it.
A friend of mine cured her Young nails gel with my brisa light, and they over cured, and started chipping and cracking all over the place.
SO PLEASE geeks, USE THE LAMP THAT IS MEANT TO BE USED WITH YOUR GEL LINE!
Pretty please with cherries and whipped cream! xo
Brisa Gel has a VERY LOW amount of Photoinitiator. It's lamp has a VERY HIGH UV output. This is why they work together, and a big reason why Brisa is hypoallergenic. Using another lamp will undercure the brisa gel, and you will NOT get optimum results- CND won't guarantee your product either if you are mis-using it.
A friend of mine cured her Young nails gel with my brisa light, and they over cured, and started chipping and cracking all over the place.
SO PLEASE geeks, USE THE LAMP THAT IS MEANT TO BE USED WITH YOUR GEL LINE!
Pretty please with cherries and whipped cream! xo
angel fingers
Well-Known Member
if you put brisa bulbs in another brand of lamp, will it work?
or do they just not fit in any other types ?
or do they just not fit in any other types ?
Cant answer that directly Susan as it depends on the lamp, however I can say this:
UV light is fairly weak and decays exponentially the further the bulb is from the gel. Therefore distance of gel to bulb is almost as important as the UV emission itself! The Brisa lamp was designed to balance position with UV output with level and type of photo-initiator.
The best way of looking at the relation between the lamp and the gel is a very similar relationship between Liquid and your powder. Deviation from your mix (amount of liquid to powder) or even intermixing systems (brand A liquid with brand b powder) will still cure the enhancement, however it will inevitably lower performance.
To me, I have never understood trying to save a few pounds at the expense of increasing repair time during rebalancing. The money I saved is quickly turned into a serious loss if I have to spend even 5 minutes more during rebalancing fixing service breakdown.
Fortunately the lamp is pretty great value when compared to contemporaries
UV light is fairly weak and decays exponentially the further the bulb is from the gel. Therefore distance of gel to bulb is almost as important as the UV emission itself! The Brisa lamp was designed to balance position with UV output with level and type of photo-initiator.
The best way of looking at the relation between the lamp and the gel is a very similar relationship between Liquid and your powder. Deviation from your mix (amount of liquid to powder) or even intermixing systems (brand A liquid with brand b powder) will still cure the enhancement, however it will inevitably lower performance.
To me, I have never understood trying to save a few pounds at the expense of increasing repair time during rebalancing. The money I saved is quickly turned into a serious loss if I have to spend even 5 minutes more during rebalancing fixing service breakdown.
Fortunately the lamp is pretty great value when compared to contemporaries
angel fingers
Well-Known Member
Yes, i totally understand, its not just the bulbs but their position within the lamp in relation with the gel.
i love the science bit !
i love the science bit !
Wow, its really interesting. I'm working for someone else, so its difficult for me to make decisions on the equipment that we use.
It does make sense whats been said though.
Just so perhaps I could speak to my boss about it, could someone tell me what wattage bulbs are in the brisa lamp.
Thanks so much for your help.
Love that you get such great advice on here :hug:
It does make sense whats been said though.
Just so perhaps I could speak to my boss about it, could someone tell me what wattage bulbs are in the brisa lamp.
Thanks so much for your help.
Love that you get such great advice on here :hug:
RedAdmiral
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Brisa has 3 bulbs and my daylight has 4 cant remember the output so I'm just gonna wait till I get my Brisa lamp on monday as I dont want service breakdown.
I've used 3 diff gels with my daylight but I know from Brisa's technology that it needs its own lamp.
I've used 3 diff gels with my daylight but I know from Brisa's technology that it needs its own lamp.
I just want to be able to tell my boss. And I know the first thing she'll ask is the wattage.
We do use other gels in the salon too, for overlays etc, so I know she will be interested in the wattage of the Brisa lamp before investing again.
It is a concern about service breakdown, although I have been using Brisa for ages now and my clients all have fantastic results, with no evidence of breakdown.
Obviously, it makes sense to use the correct lamp, but unfortunately it is not me who makes the final decisions.
Just want to go equipped with the right information before bringing it up.
:hug:
We do use other gels in the salon too, for overlays etc, so I know she will be interested in the wattage of the Brisa lamp before investing again.
It is a concern about service breakdown, although I have been using Brisa for ages now and my clients all have fantastic results, with no evidence of breakdown.
Obviously, it makes sense to use the correct lamp, but unfortunately it is not me who makes the final decisions.
Just want to go equipped with the right information before bringing it up.
:hug:
adelekeegan1
Chatty geek
The wattage of the bulbs is really quite irrelevant - it it the UV output which is the important bit - HTH
ValencianNails
Positivity rules!
UV Output is what cures the gel, this thread might help a bit....... http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/82536-uv-lamps.html
Thanks Sandi
I find this thread really interesting.
I've been doing a search on UV bulbs, but none of them mention UV output, just wattage and unfortunately the thread you directed me to, does not tell the UV output of the brisa lamp.
Maybe someone else might know the answer.
I find this thread really interesting.
I've been doing a search on UV bulbs, but none of them mention UV output, just wattage and unfortunately the thread you directed me to, does not tell the UV output of the brisa lamp.
Maybe someone else might know the answer.
ValencianNails
Positivity rules!
I've never seen the actual UV Output of any lamp/bulb mentioned... however, it's the most important thing to know when deciding on which lamp is needed to cure each individual gel system. That's why it's so important to use the lamp recommended for each gel. I know for sure that Doug Schoon (and co) spent a lot of time getting the lamp/bulbs/placement etc 'just right' for the Brisa lamp/system before they released it to us techs :green:
I feel positive that the majority of general nail suppliers don't understand the concept, hence why so many techs talk about the wattage of bulbs curing gels, which is irrespective.
Fingers crossed that someone 'in the know' can help you with the actual UV output figure :hug:
Cheers Sandi
I really want to use the Brisa lamp, just need to persuade my boss, but unfortunately :grr:, which is why I want to be able to talk to her and know what I'm talking about.
Noone has every discussed this in gel training that I have done, but it is obviously a really important factor.
The problem is, all brands say you need to use their lamp to cure their gel, and to many it seems like a massive marketing ploy!!!
Obviously Creative are different and whats been said sounds very technical and well researched.
Very difficult to discuss the importance of UV output tho, when no bulbs say what the output is.
I really hope someone has the answer because I know won't rest till I understand it lol!!!!:green:
Thanks for the reply Sandi, you've been really helpful.
Come on Creative people, someone must be able to put me out of my misery. :green::green:
I really want to use the Brisa lamp, just need to persuade my boss, but unfortunately :grr:, which is why I want to be able to talk to her and know what I'm talking about.
Noone has every discussed this in gel training that I have done, but it is obviously a really important factor.
The problem is, all brands say you need to use their lamp to cure their gel, and to many it seems like a massive marketing ploy!!!
Obviously Creative are different and whats been said sounds very technical and well researched.
Very difficult to discuss the importance of UV output tho, when no bulbs say what the output is.
I really hope someone has the answer because I know won't rest till I understand it lol!!!!:green:
Thanks for the reply Sandi, you've been really helpful.
Come on Creative people, someone must be able to put me out of my misery. :green::green:
perfect10kb
Well-Known Member
Hi ,
If you go to our USA site there is a fasinating and VERY compehensive article on UV lamps. Hopefully this will give you all the answers INCLUDING UV output of different bulbs Go to the education area and then click on Technical Brochure . The lamp article is almost at the end . Hope this helps
http://www.lightelegance.com
If you go to our USA site there is a fasinating and VERY compehensive article on UV lamps. Hopefully this will give you all the answers INCLUDING UV output of different bulbs
Go to the education area and then click on Technical Brochure . The lamp article is almost at the end . Hope this helpshttp://www.lightelegance.com
