princessamie
Well-Known Member
I've been waiting for you to show up. It didn't take long.
So, you're just here to aggravate people? Is that what you mean by the above?
I don't know why else you would say it.
I've been waiting for you to show up. It didn't take long.
So, you're just here to aggravate people? Is that what you mean by the above?
I don't know why else you would say it.
To aggravate people? Not at all. You may not believe that, but it is the truth.
No, I've been waiting for it because there is such a huge difference of opinion that I've been questioning some things, researching other things, and wondering why certain things are the way they are; which leads to me expecting someone would get tired of me doing just that.
No harm meant, just really questioning things.
Lets keep the discussion on track peeps.
I also will skip pointing out the ironic bit where professionals complain about other salons/technicians that do it on the cheap, yet insist on doing it "on the cheap"
I wasn't directing my comment at anyone in particular - it is general observation over 20+ years of being in the industry.
IMO go cheap or go expensive. Just always stick with systems. Otherwise you risk perpetuating the negative loop our industry constantly finds itself in.
As I said, I feel for those that have to pay $500 (Australian?) for a lamp, but I don't think that is the case in Florida? Things are generally relative. For example, my son just moved out to Australia and his starting salary is $40k, roughly twice what he was making here. Relatively enough, cost of living is about twice as much too. It is still expensive, but if you can't afford it, vote with your wallet and use another system that is more affordable.
Oh, and for tools/implements, we aren't talking about systems where using differing tools could slowly overexpose your client. We are talking about safety and client longevity. If YOU sensitise a client because of lack of care, it takes one more client off the grid for me to take care of correctly
I can pay that much if I wish. CosmoProf and SalonCentric (pro division of Sallys) both sell CND, including lamps. Not quite $500, but out of my price range.
You are right though, market prices are what people will pay. Yes, my lamp is the low end one, but for now, it cures and does everything I need it to. I will be upgrading soon, just not to the higher end ones.
And yeah, move here from anywhere over there if you want sticker shock. I would LOVE to be living in England or Australia right now
Here is what I was referring to: You have NO idea if your lamp is curing the product safely. No professional can even tell once the product is 50% cured, yet half baked nails lead to service breakdown and overexposure (which leads to permanent sensitisation).
I don't necessarily disagree, but I'll take it a step further--we don't know that about ANY lamp, not just mine or others. We know CND makes the claim their lamp does do the trick, but have there been experiments proving this (and generally about ANY lamp)?
Yup. They have. They specifically design their products to react to the output of their lamps. And trust me when I say that if they could have designed them WITHOUT a lamp (e.g. recommend any 36w lamp), they would have. Lamps are not money makers they are barriers to system adoption and successful servicing. However we seriously invest in getting lamps into the hands of professionals because it is otherwise impossible to make a gel cure safely with a broad range of lamps. Lamp and Gel mismatch is (IMO) the largest challenge facing our industry today.
But it isn't that different. A manicure and pedicure come with polish and I don't charge extra for gel polish unless it is the gel paints. Otherwise, it's just part of the larger service--manicure or pedicure or acrylic/gel.
I don't differentiate it by saying "You can have regular polish or Shellac!!". It's just Gel polish or non-gel. If they ask for something specific (as I have had before), I ask them to clarify what they mean.
Because usually, them asking "do you do gels" actually is them saying "I want acrylic with gel polish". I know this because I've actually spent the time explaining the difference in services to them. Just as "Solarnail" is not an actual service, but a brand name, CND Shellac is just a name too. I shouldn't be able to charge more for it just because of the name.
I either factor that into the cost of my other services or don't offer it. But again, I'm sensing it just may be a regional difference here.
Ah ok,I think this is where its getting confusing for you. Most, if not all, of us charge extra for a gel polish or Shellac manicure as the products cost more and most people have had to go on courses. This is why we call it a "service" on its own. Its actually industry norm to charge more for gel polish, I wish I could include it into a regular mani/pedi like you but I'd be losing a ton of money lol
My mistake, I thought you had asked if it had been tested with their lamp.Just so I am clear--CND has tested their product against every known lamp? That's just the science teacher-wife in me asking.
But, okay fine. Let's say CND has done that. If so, then I'm going to continue questioning the worth of the product and potentially just not use them anymore since I cannot justify the cost yet.
That's what I've been trying to say all along You guys HAVE to have certification. Ours just looks good and is for bragging rights (again, don't necessarily agree or disagree..just saying)..
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