Does anyone pre-file their tips?

['chelle]

I was thinking yesterday, can you pre file your tips in, is there any reason against doing this? When I say filing them in, what I mean is when you have to file the contact area away to make a smile line, and file the tip to be thinner before applying it and blending. (hope I'm making sense)

I had a client yesterday who needed Eclipse tips. I normally use Performance but also have Eclipse and Formation for when Performance dont suit the client. Because I dont regularly use tips that need to be filed in I'm not the quickest at it, and it added 20 mins on to my service.

I was thinking of filing my eclipse and formation in and putting them back in the box, so that when the client comes in I can just size up and apply them, then I just need to do the blending.

What do you think??

 

[2littletoys]

some geeks do pre blend the contact area... is that what you mean?

 

[Katelisa]

I NEVER apply an un-tailored or un-pre-blended (lol) tip.

BUT you really need to tailor the tip before you pre-blend. otherwise the contact area may be too thin to tailor. make sense? lol.

You still need to do a tiny bit of blending once the tip is applied. unless of course, your doing P&W and the white covers it.

x

 

['chelle]

I dont know if I'm making sense!!! What I normally do is this:

Size the tips
File the contact area away leaving a smile line shape
File the tips to "thin" them
Apply
Blend

I usually do all this while the client is sat there so it adds time on to the service. I was thinking of doing steps 2 and 3 (above) to all my tips and replacing them in the box, so that during the service I just need to size, apply and blend.

Katelisa, I know what you are saying about the pretailoriing bit, which obviously you can only do with the client there, but is it not possible to do that after you thin the tip? If not I'll just keep doing it the way I am now, I'm just considering ways to reduce service time when using Eclipse and Formation, as these services seem to be taking me way too long.

 

[Katelisa]

Katelisa, I know what you are saying about the pretailoriing bit, which obviously you can only do with the client there, but is it not possible to do that after you thin the tip?

I wouldnt, because as you file to pre tailor, the tip can bend because it has been weakened by pre blending first if u get me. Thats just what common sense tells me anyway. I guess it depends how you tailor your tips. I file mine, hold the tip in front of me between fnger and thumb and file away from me. so if the tip was thinned out this would make it bend.

 

[Lil Linz]

I usually have about half of the tips in my box pre-blended, but then if i have a client where the tip needs more tayloring, i can use a 'normal' tip. best of both worlds then :lol:

 

['chelle]

I usually have about half of the tips in my box pre-blended, but then if i have a client where the tip needs more tayloring, i can use a 'normal' tip. best of both worlds then :lol:

Good idea!

 

[AmandaJustnailz]

I dont know if I'm making sense!!! What I normally do is this:

Size the tips
File the contact area away leaving a smile line shape
File the tips to "thin" them
Apply
Blend

I usually do all this while the client is sat there so it adds time on to the service. I was thinking of doing steps 2 and 3 (above) to all my tips and replacing them in the box, so that during the service I just need to size, apply and blend.

Katelisa, I know what you are saying about the pretailoriing bit, which obviously you can only do with the client there, but is it not possible to do that after you thin the tip? If not I'll just keep doing it the way I am now, I'm just considering ways to reduce service time when using Eclipse and Formation, as these services seem to be taking me way too long.

Try using Akzentz Blend In.
Amanda

 

[Katelisa]

Keep in mind, the thicker the tip the more strength your going to have!

dont you mean the thinner the tip?
for overall strength of the completed enhancement, a thinner tip is stronger.

if you mean a thicker tip for pre tailoring then that would make more sense, so that they don't bend while you are filing them to tailor, but still isnt necessary.

dont forget the tips give ZERO strength to an enhancement, its the overlay that provides this. hence the reaon you can sculpt to create your enhancement.

 

[AmandaJustnailz]

dont you mean the thinner the tip?
for overall strength of the completed enhancement, a thinner tip is stronger.

if you mean a thicker tip for pre tailoring then that would make more sense, so that they don't bend while you are filing them to tailor, but still isnt necessary.

dont forget the tips give ZERO strength to an enhancement, its the overlay that provides this. hence the reaon you can sculpt to create your enhancement.

What I mean is a thicker plastic tip is stonger. The 'Daisy cutter' style tip is a thicker, stronger plastic whereas the 'lotus' stlye tip is almost paper thin (beautiful but not nearly as strong). The thinner the plastic the less strength the TIP itself has. I realize scultping is much stronger and personally I hardly use tips I only fully scuplt. Structuring the nail goes with out saying (I do teach gel nails). I realize what you are saying. If the free edge is too thick this will create an unbalance in pressure and yes, poor structure. The thickness of the daisy cutter tip is not nearly thick enough to cause this.
Just to clarify, with the "pre-etched" tips, there is no etching or pre-tailoring needed- that is already done for you. Obviously there is also no blending as this would ruin the smile line. You simply etch the natural nail and glue them on, then continue as usual with gel or acrylic.
Amanda

 

['chelle]

Hi

What a co-incidence that this thread has been bumped back up. I did a nailbiters nails today and used formation tips. In the end I decided to file the contact area down, but not to thin the tips in case pre tailoring is required.

So, last week I sat with my box of formation and filed the contact area in on every one of them and replaced them in the box. My hands were nearly falling off when I finished!!

I'm glad I did it. My nailbiter today only had to wait 5 minutes while I thinned the tips instead of what would have been 20 minutes while I filed the contact area in AND thinned them. 10 minutes might not sound much, but with a nailbiter I'm glad to save time where I can since these services always take longer.

 

[min11]

What I mean is a thicker plastic tip is stonger. The 'Daisy cutter' style tip is a thicker, stronger plastic whereas the 'lotus' stlye tip is almost paper thin (beautiful but not nearly as strong). The thinner the plastic the less strength the TIP itself has. I realize scultping is much stronger and personally I hardly use tips I only fully scuplt. Structuring the nail goes with out saying (I do teach gel nails). I realize what you are saying. If the free edge is too thick this will create an unbalance in pressure and yes, poor structure. The thickness of the daisy cutter tip is not nearly thick enough to cause this.
Just to clarify, with the "pre-etched" tips, there is no etching or pre-tailoring needed- that is already done for you. Obviously there is also no blending as this would ruin the smile line. You simply etch the natural nail and glue them on, then continue as usual with gel or acrylic.
Amanda

I'm totally confused. I was taught the strenth is in the product applied to the tip so the thinner the tip, or the thinner you file it, the stronger the overall end result. Have I missunderstood what you are trying to get across?

 

[Katelisa]

I'm totally confused. I was taught the strenth is in the product applied to the tip so the thinner the tip, or the thinner you file it, the stronger the overall end result. Have I missunderstood what you are trying to get across?

thats what i know and believe! lol.

I think she means a thicker tip is stronger in its own right, and not as a finished enhancement?!

 

[min11]

I'm totally confused. I was taught the strenth is in the product applied to the tip so the thinner the tip, or the thinner you file it, the stronger the overall end result. Have I missunderstood what you are trying to get across?

Ah ok, except you'd still thin it down so the enhancement is stronger? So what thickness or strenght it is to start with doesn't matter other than thinner would mean less thinning down.

Maybe I'm still not quite grasping it :lol:

 

[AmandaJustnailz]

Ah ok, except you'd still thin it down so the enhancement is stronger? So what thickness or strenght it is to start with doesn't matter other than thinner would mean less thinning down.

Maybe I'm still not quite grasping it :lol:

Maybe we are talking about two different applications of tips. You must be talking about blending tips whereas I am talking about simply glueing white tips to the free edge and over laying with gel. With the pre-etched tips I am referring to, you would not thin them out or file them at all. Those steps are already done for you therefore theer is no thinning out the tip itself
Amanda

 

[Katelisa]

thats not whats confusing. whats confusing is you saying that a thicker tip is stronger, when in respect to the overall finished enhancement, that is not correct.

oh this could go on forever! lol.

 

[pips]

White tip...no blending required just remove shine (unless you wanted to make a deeper smile then you can blend out the well area)

Natural tip...some come well less some come with a well, either way i like to remove the well and thin out the tip prior to using, IMHO the thinner the better.

Pre etched...no need for blending but some require the shine to be removed (again if the well can be taken out without damaging the pattern i will remove for better fit)

Clear...again you should be able to use these with no blending and removing the shine.(as above, for me if it can be blended and thined i will)

I guess its personal preference as to how we use our tips but IMHO the thinner a tip can be the better. All this about the tip been thicker gives a stronger nail is a load of old croc!

 

[min11]

thats not whats confusing. whats confusing is you saying that a thicker tip is stronger, when in respect to the overall finished enhancement, that is not correct.

oh this could go on forever! lol.

I didn't realise there had been more replies to hadn't checked back :lol: What you said is exactly what had confused me. I know white tips ordinarily dont need thinning but if I had some that were very thick or heavy (I dont as it goes but if I did) I'd still thin them to get more strength from the acrylic.

White tip...no blending required just remove shine (unless you wanted to make a deeper smile then you can blend out the well area)

Natural tip...some come well less some come with a well, either way i like to remove the well and thin out the tip prior to using, IMHO the thinner the better.

Pre etched...no need for blending but some require the shine to be removed (again if the well can be taken out without damaging the pattern i will remove for better fit)

Clear...again you should be able to use these with no blending and removing the shine.(as above, for me if it can be blended and thined i will)

I guess its personal preference as to how we use our tips but IMHO the thinner a tip can be the better. All this about the tip been thicker gives a stronger nail is a load of old croc!

I didn't know you could use clear tips with out blending, I have the EzFlow clear tips and I always blend them if I have to use them, they are quite thick.

:hug:

 

[nailzoo]

Never felt the need to pre-blend, if a tip is too thick, I wouldn't use it in the first place.

File control is the secret, pre-blended tips will splay outward and not fit how they were designed.

But I suppose if you are bored and have the time ......... pre-blending can while away the time, kinda like "whittling".

 

[AmandaJustnailz]

thats not whats confusing. whats confusing is you saying that a thicker tip is stronger, when in respect to the overall finished enhancement, that is not correct.

oh this could go on forever! lol.

Wow, no kidding! lol. I am only talking about a certain style of tip WITHIN the Pre-etched line. Here is a link to a picture (and tutorial) with the Daisy Cutter style tip by Pre-etched. The tips have not been pre- filed or thinned out AT ALL, hence the 'Pre-etched' part. You will see they do not look thick but the plastic itself (with the daisy cutters) is a smidge thicker giving it more strength. Just Nailz Please go to this link below

Now here is a link to the 'Raptor' style of tip by Pre-etched. The plastic is thinner than the daisy cutters. They are still super strong nails (In some cases we have gone 12 weeks before) but not as strong as the daisy cutter style. Hopefully that will clear things up.
Just Nailz
Amanda