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I have a potential client thats got long hair that is dyed black, she wants to go chocolate brown with some blonde bits in it!

I just wanted a little advise as to which way to go to achieve this look?
 
hi there is a lot of factors to consider when doing this and unless completely experienced in colour correction u should not attempt it :eek:
 
how do I make the bleach shampoo, I know its powder bleach/shampoo/diluted peroxide but what are the quantities and how long do I leave it on?
 
i have been taught,

1 scoop bleach
1 scoop 6% peroxide
1 scoop water
1 scoop deep cleansing shampoo

and i have ben taught that it can be left on for about 5 ish mins, but if her hair is black im not sure it would work!

it took 2 goes to get a 6.0 out of my hair and in the end i bleached it :)

:)
 
Hi , I am so sorry hun I have had to delete my post because, I have to agree with letitiawood ,

I wouldnt attempt it at all unless you have done colour correction http://www.salongeek.com/members/letitiawood.html,

as sometimes the black can stick like tar ,

it is such a big job ,
and too much can go wrong :)
 
no worries, thanks everyone for their replies anyway :hug: much appreciated x
 
Hi, hope you dont mind me asking but what level are you at ?

Have you done any colour correction yet ? :)
 
I have a potential client thats got long hair that is dyed black, she wants to go chocolate brown with some blonde bits in it!

I'm not saying it's impossible.... BUT in my experience (almost 20 years worth) anything darker than a base 4 artficial pigment doesn't come out lighter than orange, if you happen to be lucky a deep ginger color. Gets stuck about pigment level 5 or 6 and refuses to go any lighter. Attempts at toning (unless extreme caution and mutliple test strands are tried) usually end up at the same deep level you started from because of the porosity.

If there have been multiple applications of black, or if the black is a dye loaded or grey coverage formula (Revlon OTC black is THE HARDEST I've come across) it is easier to grow it out and cut it off or gradually work toward a lighter color using a highlight system meant to go over black, like the MajiContrast colors or Joico VeroUltra Colors.

If you aren't comfortable and/or experienced in color correction, this isn't something I would attempt on my own....
 
Hi , Yes I have come across all sorts of pourosity problems with the build up on dyed
black hair too :)

usually end up at the same deep level you started from because of the porosity.

its such a nightmare when they have been using those OTC colours :eek:
over here in the UK its usually Nice and easy or Casting that causes lots of problems for hairdressers

and its only because they apply it all over each time,
and tell us " Oh its only a wash in wash out one " :lol:

yes it will wash in , but it wont wash out lol :lol:
 
I wouldn't do it if you have not done Colour Correction. I have had a few clients want this doing and I have just said to them, that as your hair is Currently black or black/brown I will tell them that it is more colour correction in which I dont currently do not specialise in and so it would be best to seek a salon who has a colour technician there.
 
Hi , Yes I have come across all sorts of pourosity problems with the build up on dyed
black hair too :)



and its only because they apply it all over each time,
and tell us " Oh its only a wash in wash out one " :lol:

yes it will wash in , but it wont wash out lol :lol:
EVER!!! Big time stain, worse than fruit punch or red wine on a white sweater!
 
thanks for your replies everyone...I will be giving this one a miss and advising her to go elsewhere who specialises in colour.
 
Well for future reference......
I would talk to the client and explain you can try a bleach shampoo, and then go from there depending wot the results are. She is not to expect a dramatic, if any, difference, or it could suprise you and lift extremly well.
a bleach shampoo is 1 scoop of bleach, 30ml shampoo, 60ml warm water and 30ml 6or9%as far as i remember without looking at my sheet! i would leave the bleach shampoo on a max of 10 min, then rinse off and reapply if needed and if the hair is ok.
no matter how much the hair lifts, it is still making a difference and will refresh the colour as you can then use a few foils to create some highlights and put a colour all over the rest.
we do a lot of bleach shampoos in our salon, as long as the client knows the expectations, and wide range of results that can come, then its a great way to refresh the colour!
 
Hi,
or you could do some test pieces first to take any guess work out of it ,
this will show you and the client exactly how it will be ,:)

Just say you go ahead
and it comes up to a decent orangey colour,
it would need toning down as the lady now wants it chocolate brown instead

I think the tricky part is toning the orangey mid lenghs and ends
(which is on very long hair) whilst highlighting with bleach and foils (especially if you are on your own )

after drying off
perhaps do a medium warm choc brown tint on the roots
placed on while (just a few blonde foils are taking )
then swap to a lighter warm milk choc brown on the mid lengths and ends ,
and watch very carefully as sometimes it can really grab
if the hair is very porous .

sometimes I find that demi / semis on pre bleached hair
can suck up on the depth lose tone and go way too dark ,
(your test pieces will show you if this happens )
in this case you may be wiser using tint to tone the orange instead

when timings are complete,
rinse all the tint off first
leave the foil on your highlights and rinse these last
so they will stay nice and bright,

as with any colour correction (dont make any promises )
let the client know the colour she wants may not happen at the first couple of appointments
and that it may take a few visits ,
also do advise the client on how much it will cost ,
so there are no surprises

Another thought is that if you are working on your own,
time wise
It may be better for you to concentrate on getting just a nice choccy brown base colour at first

Then you could perhaps do the foil blonde highlights at a later date
when the condition is a bit better and she has had a couple of cuts especially on her layers ,
good luck :hug:
 

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