Govt Run Health Insurance... Do you have it, if so what do you think about it?

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Deanosnana,

I understand what you mean by affordable healthcare :)

The problem is, too many people have an extra pimped out car they don't need, or they like to buy new clothes often, go out to eat alot, etc. My point being, their money is being spent on extras they don't necessarily need. The costs can be built into a family budget, look at these people in the UK paying what they are paying, they don't have a choice.

The insurance cost I had was pretty low, considering what I have heard of others paying. I also was working for a huge company that gave pittance for raises every year, so, it was worth it.

No system is perfect, I feel grateful for having a choice. I am terrified to see what the outcome of this is going to be.

We voted for change, alright :/
 
have you americans not possibly lost the point of a national system of health care its about CARE !! not MONEY
weather someone is illegally in your country or not they deserve the best available care if they are ill
the USA is always quick to enter into military conflict under the human rights banner to protect the population from injury or harm of some oil rich state from an evil uncaring dictatorship but your government is not so fast to enter africa that has no oil !!! and has much worse human right records
yes it does piss us british off that our taxes get spent on health care for a minority of none contributing illegal imigrants but i for one could not stand over them with a wad of cash in my back pocket and watch them suffer and die in pain because they had no insurance
Our health care system is the envy of the world and yes it is abused but i believe obama has got it right this time
weve been paying in since 1948 and there is not a man woman or child in the uk that has not used the NHS
British moan and we Queue
and long may it continue:hug:
and the( do we not remember 911 ) quote felled me i grew up in a mixed race community my closest childhood friend was Asian and he s not a terrorist!! hes a very successful businessman who pays more tax and national insurance than me and my white anglo saxon family put together
 
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Hang on a minute! It may well be about care but it's the national health service not the international health service.
No-one wants to see anyone suffering but if it's your kids/sister/mom/auntie or whoever, that is denied treatment due to lack of funds then you may see things differently.
People come into this country specifically to obtain prescription drugs. They come in, get their medication and then bugger off again.
They don't pay, we do and then when we need it we have to either wait or be denied.
If they want to pay for it that's fine, but why should we pay for people to abuse the system like that.
I'm pretty damn sure that if we went abroad we would have to pay for treatment.
Why should we pay into something that we are led to believe we will get something back, only to find there's nothing left because it's been given away!
Sorry but it's almost tantamount to stealing!
Ok we like to help people out but not at the expense of the British public.
Phew i feel better now :)
 
Uniq12u- ER visits are just to patch you up and refer you to your regular doctor for follow up. Myself or anyone I know of in my area has not been denied treatment ever. If you can't pay, they give you paperwork to fill out and apply for help through the hospital to get a discount. If one decides they can't pay, it goes on your credit report. Or, you can send them $5 a month until it does get paid. From what I've heard that isn't the case. The ER will see them but they don't always receive ALL (key word here is ALL) the care that is required to correct what the problem is. I know people who have experienced this. The ER told them they could only do blah blah blah, sent them home with pain killers and told them to see their doctor or a specialist. And I know that others have been turned away from hospitals because they didn't have insurance. Guess it depends on the hospital. I think it depends on if it was due to an accident, but i'm not 100% sure.

My last job, I was paying $90 every two weeks for insurance for my son and myself. It covered everything we needed. The co-pays stunk, sometimes $30 a visit, mostly $15, but still ALOT cheaper than a guy on here paying 617 pound a month to have NSH. According to Google Finance Currency Converter it's $1011.45 he pays per month, for the government to decide what kind of care he gets. Well the insurance I carried was costing me over $200/month and my deductible was $4,500 with no co-pays. It was for major medical only. If I wanted co-pay it was going to be a lot more than that. I never said the other option was better, I have no idea. Has there actually been an amount put down as to what it will cost us?

For example, as it stands now, if you have a chronic knee problem, you go see your doctor, they may refer you to a specialist to get an MRI to see what the problem is. If we go on gov't run healthcare, the standards will be set the same for every situation, so the doctor can order an xray, no MRI because it's not allowed, and if he goes beyond what the gov't says for him to recommend, he won't get paid. And that leaves you with a knee that doesn't get fixed, being told to take a couple of ibuprofen, and have a nice day. Alot of assumptions are being made here since there is nothing passed yet as to what will come about for our national healthcare. Have you read the bill or just taking someone else's word for what it proposes? I don't believe I said I was for it, but something has to be done because what we have isn't working. And why should all the burden of having healthcare insurance be carried by employers? Especially with the cost increasing as much as it does. I believe I heard on the news it will go up at least 10% next year.

Our government certainly cannot afford what they are proposing, pitiful actually. I like having a choice as to what kind of care myself and my family get. If this plan goes in place, it will be just like Medicare --- deny, deny, deny........... And if you had listened to what the President has said, time and time again since day one, you will have a choice. Lots of people are crying not to have national health care insurance, but also say don't take my medicare away. And why is it the wealthy don't have to pay in for medicare after they contribute so much. They are the ones who can afford to put in more and they will certainly use it when needed, even if they have the money and don't necessarily need it. Therefore all the burden falls the low to middle income bracket, as usual.

And what does illegal aliens receiving health care have to do with 9/11??? I'm lost!!

Sorry will get off my soapbox now. This post wasn't really meant to be an argument about what our country is proposing. I just wanted to hear what others had to say about what their country offered.
 
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Hang on a minute! It may well be about care but it's the national health service not the international health service.
No-one wants to see anyone suffering but if it's your kids/sister/mom/auntie or whoever, that is denied treatment due to lack of funds then you may see things differently.
People come into this country specifically to obtain prescription drugs. They come in, get their medication and then bugger off again.
They don't pay, we do and then when we need it we have to either wait or be denied.
If they want to pay for it that's fine, but why should we pay for people to abuse the system like that.
I'm pretty damn sure that if we went abroad we would have to pay for treatment.
Why should we pay into something that we are led to believe we will get something back, only to find there's nothing left because it's been given away!
Sorry but it's almost tantamount to stealing!
Ok we like to help people out but not at the expense of the British public.
Phew i feel better now :)
ang i totally agree with you about the health tourists that visit britain take services they have no intention of paying for and leaving again,its theft they should be prevented from leaving the country and made to work in the community to pay for there treatment
however to deny all immigrants the services of the NHS because they have not yet paid enough in,as has been suggested by some americans!! would be barbaric
there 1000s of white underclass in our society who havent worked for generations, they live on benefits we pay for,get away with council tax have free school meals for there kids,run up huge debts and just have them written off, how much do they take from the NHS :irked::irked:
but because they were born here nobody moans about them filling up hospital wards
most migrants come here for a better life, they work hard and pay tax and national insurance, yes there are some that dont but i believe they are in the minority
i have paid private in the past to queue jump and got the same operation done in the same hospital by the same doctor12 months earlier!!!!
even though i have paid 100s of thousands into the system
oh i got to stop now i am getting so wound up i will make myself ill !! and i cant afford to spend all day in the doctors queuing up:lol::lol:
 
And what does illegal aliens receiving health care have to do with 9/11??? I'm lost!! It has to do with parasites that come to any country taking away from honest people that work and pay their taxes, the key word here is illegal. Because 911, every country should be making sure their borders are safe, and checking out backrounds on everyone that lives there.

Uniq12u- ER visits are just to patch you up and refer you to your regular doctor for follow up. Myself or anyone I know of in my area has not been denied treatment ever. If you can't pay, they give you paperwork to fill out and apply for help through the hospital to get a discount. If one decides they can't pay, it goes on your credit report. Or, you can send them $5 a month until it does get paid. From what I've heard that isn't the case. The ER will see them but they don't always receive ALL (key word here is ALL) the care that is required to correct what the problem is. I know people who have experienced this. The ER told them they could only do blah blah blah, sent them home with pain killers and told them to see their doctor or a specialist. And I know that others have been turned away from hospitals because they didn't have insurance. Guess it depends on the hospital. I think it depends on if it was due to an accident, but i'm not 100% sure. Uhm, did you read the first sentence I wrote on this?

My last job, I was paying $90 every two weeks for insurance for my son and myself. It covered everything we needed. The co-pays stunk, sometimes $30 a visit, mostly $15, but still ALOT cheaper than a guy on here paying 617 pound a month to have NSH. According to Google Finance Currency Converter it's $1011.45 he pays per month, for the government to decide what kind of care he gets. Well the insurance I carried was costing me over $200/month and my deductible was $4,500 with no co-pays. It was for major medical only. If I wanted co-pay it was going to be a lot more than that. I never said the other option was better, I have no idea. Has there actually been an amount put down as to what it will cost us? You live in a country that allows you freedom of choice, you can pack up your stuff and find another job that offers better insurance. Plain and simple.

For example, as it stands now, if you have a chronic knee problem, you go see your doctor, they may refer you to a specialist to get an MRI to see what the problem is. If we go on gov't run healthcare, the standards will be set the same for every situation, so the doctor can order an xray, no MRI because it's not allowed, and if he goes beyond what the gov't says for him to recommend, he won't get paid. And that leaves you with a knee that doesn't get fixed, being told to take a couple of ibuprofen, and have a nice day. Alot of assumptions are being made here since there is nothing passed yet and we won't get to vote on it as to what will come about for our national healthcare. Have you read the bill yes, here's a copy for all to read if you so choose http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf or just taking someone else's word for what it proposes? I don't believe I said I was for it, but something has to be done because what we have isn't working. And why should all the burden of having healthcare insurance be carried by employers? Freedom of choice, baby! Especially with the cost increasing as much as it does. I believe I heard on the news it will go up at least 10% next year.

Our government certainly cannot afford what they are proposing, pitiful actually. I like having a choice as to what kind of care myself and my family get. If this plan goes in place, it will be just like Medicare --- deny, deny, deny........... And if you had listened to what the President has said, time and time again since day one, you will have a choice. Oh really? YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance Lots of people are crying not to have national health care insurance, but also say don't take my medicare away. And why is it the wealthy don't have to pay in for medicare after they contribute so much. They are the ones who can afford to put in more and they will certainly use it when needed, even if they have the money and don't necessarily need it. Therefore all the burden falls the low to middle income bracket, as usual.


Sorry will get off my soapbox now. This post wasn't really meant to be an argument about what our country is proposing. I just wanted to hear what others had to say about what their country offered. I have heard and read about people's experiences on national healthcare, it's not always pretty. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211950/Premature-baby-left-die-doctors-mother-gives-birth-just-days-22-week-care-limit.htmlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gives-birth-just-days-22-week-care-limit.html

The redundant point that I keep making is that with the healthcare we have now we are fortunate to have the freedom to make choices that affect our families well-being. If you are healthy, having a universal system can work. If you are too old, too young, not healthy, you have to stick to what the general guidelines are that have already been decided by one system .... which are.... minimal care or none at all :)
 
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weather someone is illegally in your country or not they deserve the best available care if they are ill

I for one have a HUGE problem with folks who contribute NOTHING but want EVERYTHING! A lot of illegals do NOT pay taxes but somehow get welfare, medicaid, etc. Tell me how that is fair?

I have NO problem with immigrants...just go about it the LEGAL way!

I bust my a-double-s working TWO jobs! I still barely make ends meet. My full-time employer provides health insurance but I pay a ridiculous amount for it. And, yes...I AM grateful. God forbid something serious were to happen to me.... Again, IMHO the problem in the USA is not NOT having health insurance, it's having AFFORDABLE health insurance...

:hug: to all!
 
so am i right in thinking you would just leave them to die!! if they had entered your country illegally they did so seeking a better lifestyle,it happens daily here and yes they should be made to pay, maybe by doing community work,or actually given citizenship so they can join the system,and pay taxes as i believe obama is suggesting but we would never leave someone to die because they couldnt afford the health care GOD BLESS AMERICA :):)
 
I guess at the end of the day we are all people, and it is just down to luck where we were born, whether as a citizen of a rich country, or in a war-torn third world country.
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so am i right in thinking you would just leave them to die!! if they had entered your country illegally they did so seeking a better lifestyle,it happens daily here and yes they should be made to pay, maybe by doing community work,or actually given citizenship so they can join the system,and pay taxes as i believe obama is suggesting but we would never leave someone to die because they couldnt afford the health care GOD BLESS AMERICA :):)

It's because this country is such a soft touch that we have so many illegal immigrants in the first place!
The problem needs to be dealt with and we need stricter controls about who can come into this country.
I'm sorry but you look after your own first!
We have thousands of people living on the street, living in poverty or living on the breadline and yet we still continue to let people into this country and then give them free healthcare!
If we weren't seen as such a soft touch then there wouldn't be so many people coming into this country.
We don't want to seem as if we lack compassion but where is the compassion to the law abiding,tax paying people of this country that are denied healthcare due to lack of funds!
 
so am i right in thinking you would just leave them to die!! if they had entered your country illegally they did so seeking a better lifestyle,:):)

Why can't they come into the country LEGALLY????? Tons of folks have done it/do it every day!
 
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And I 'love' how now we're going to legalize all the illegals so they will qualify for the 'program'. Yes, I'm afraid many have forgotten 911. I, for one, have not.
[/QUOTE] out of the 19 bombers 19 entered your country legally 5 had out of date visas the other 14 were there totally legally and used genuine id to board the aircraft!!
by offering an amnesty on the illegals surely it would make them start to pay into your system and be easier to keep track on them they are already in your country what difference will it make to legalize them i hope our government do the same soon so that the 1000s of illegals here can come out of the sweatshops and start earning the minimum wage and paying taxes like the rest of us
i dont think this forum is really the place for political discussions but for what its worth i think obama is doing the right thing :lol::lol:
 
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i dont think this forum is really the place for political discussions but for what its worth i think obama is doing the right thing :lol::lol:

Personally, I think this has been a great thread, with differing viewpoints. Very thought provoking, indeed! We disagree on Obama but that's the beauty of living in a free society. It's OK to disagree! :hug:
 
I must admit, I am a big fan of Obama. He seems to be the polar opposite of George W Bush (in my opinion, George Bush Senior mis-spelled his son's middle name, as it should have been an anagram of "Newark" rather than being named after a popular brand of crisps in the UK)...
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Yea, I'm not going to argue the points anymore, we each have our own opinion. Which is what makes this whole thing difficult.

I will apologize to Tanya because I did read incorrectly her comment about ER. Other than that we will have to agree to disagree. I do know two things and that is the only choice we have right now is to pay out the nose for health insurance or don't have any. And has far as jobs, I guess you haven't experienced a job loss lately. It isn't that easy to get a job if you lose one right now. Millions are w/o one right now and w/o health insurance.

I'm still not sure what 9/11 has to do with healthcare, but anyways.......

As far as legalizing imigrants in the US, it isn't that easy from what I've heard from some who have done it and it is expensive. They have to hire an attorney. Crazy uh?? And some don't want to become citizens. Even crazier, why wouldn't they??? lol

Been an interesting thread and educational to see how things are overseas. Thank You for sharing.
 
i am visiting America for the 1st time in January and i am really looking forward to it and yes ladies i am entering legally and i have health insurance for my visit !!:lol::lol:
I to have enjoyed this thread nobody has insulted any body its been a great discussion despite our differences in opinions its so good to interact with people from a different country with similar issues, affecting there society hugs all round i think :hug::hug::hug:
 
No hard feelings, everyone, this has been an educational thread. We are good people, with good intentions, that is why we are in this business :) Just goes to show we can talk about other things besides beauty :lol:

Steve, enjoy your trip! Have you looked into getting an international drivers license? From what I hear they are easy to get and come in quite handy when renting a car.

Hugs everyone :hug:
 
i am visiting America for the 1st time in January and i am really looking forward to it and yes ladies i am entering legally and i have health insurance for my visit !!:lol::lol:
I to have enjoyed this thread nobody has insulted any body its been a great discussion despite our differences in opinions its so good to interact with people from a different country with similar issues, affecting there society hugs all round i think :hug::hug::hug:

I so agree, this has been a great discussion! Where in the US will you be visiting? I hope somewhere WARM! :hug:
 
we are going to florida after xmas,myself mrs nouvatan and my 2 kids aged 10 and 9 were hoping to visit miami as well were there for 17 days and our driving licence is accepted over there we have already booked the cars
 

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