IBD VS Nailite??

[abook]

Hello Everyone!
I was wondering if anyone can offer their reactions to nailite gels versus IBD? Over the last two weeks I have worked with both. I would prefer to use nail lite for the simplicity of the system and that other products can be used with it. However, the viscosity of nailite seems to be thicker, but under the uv light it seems to "run" onto the sidewalls more than IBD does, and I really really don't like the "seal it" sealant coat they offer. On both sets I've done (of the nailite) I've ended up buffing off the sealent and putting on a regular high shine top coat because the sealant also decided that it wanted to puddle to one corner of every nail!! Grrr, I really want to make gels work and be able to offer them, but with no local classes and no experts in my area, I'm at a loss. The only person I could ask is the local "discount nail salon" down the street, and I"m sure they would just laugh at me. Any input on little tips and tricks would be appriciated. Thanks!! - Also, the IBD I used, I followed directions word for word, and have done two sets and both have lifted off like crazy! :cry:

 

[VHunter]

Both are good, but without training, you'll face problems.
The best advice I can give you is to seek training.

 

[geeg]

Your profile shows you to be a bit of a product junkie ... :green:

Why not choose a brand and really give it a go instead of leaping from one to the other?

I'm not saying it's not good to try for comparison but it is expensive with gels and buying different lamps etc.

My personal opinion is that IBD is an old trusted brand that offers good education. I would choose that of the two mentioned.

 

[abook]

Wow, thanks once again for making me feel like a piece of dirt. I don't feel I'm a product junkie, as I've evaluated every system there was out there before narrowing down the two I have decided to purchase and work with. (I conducted over a month of research) And when I say "many more" under products in my profile, that is basically meaning I use "one system" for my acrylics, currently using IBD and nailite for my gel since I'm new at it, and the other consist of my products for my airbrushing and nail art. Isn't every tech at one point in time a product hopper? Don't they need to find a system they are comfortable with using? Maybe not everyone, but I remember being in school with hair and nail students who purchased more products then what they probably should have just to test them all. I want to offer my clients the best, or the best that I can and I feel this is a place where I can learn from others who have more experience than I and can possibly help me, not try to beat me down.

 

[VHunter]

Wow, thanks once again for making me feel like a piece of dirt.
We were polite, and no one was patronizing or nasty. If your insecurities bring you to that conclusion, you have no one to blame but yourself.
I don't feel I'm a product junkie, as I've evaluated every system there was out there before narrowing down the two I have decided to purchase and work with. (I conducted over a month of research)
1 month of research is NOT sufficient by any stretch of the imagination AND before you can even consider 'conducting' research, you need a better understanding of how the products work. Just the problems you reported with Seal it make it clear you don't know how to use it. I use it ALL THE TIME and won't use any other gloss with GREAT success.

And when I say "many more" under products in my profile, that is basically meaning I use "one system" for my acrylics, currently using IBD and nailite for my gel since I'm new at it,
You have indicated clearly that you're a novice to gel, and the suggestion of further training and practice is NOT unheard of. Even for experienced techs, switching brands can be problematic.

and the other consist of my products for my airbrushing and nail art. Isn't every tech at one point in time a product hopper?
Usually after some experience, when they are in a position to make EDUCATED judgements.
Don't they need to find a system they are comfortable with using? Maybe not everyone, but I remember being in school with hair and nail students who purchased more products then what they probably should have just to test them all. I want to offer my clients the best, or the best that I can and I feel this is a place where I can learn from others who have more experience than I and can possibly help me, not try to beat me down.

NOBODY beat you down. The fact is this: you can NOT judge a product to be problematic (WHICH YOU DID) when you have insufficient experience and/or expertise with it. Many techs have used both those products with GREAT success and not had the issues you are suffering. Your inexperience speaks volumes.
We tried to help by suggesting you further your training and practice more (which most newbies need) and you take it as a slap?

If you don't like the advice you were offered because it wasn't the answers you wanted to hear, it doesn't make it slap in the face or mean that you were treated like crap.
We were both honest.
It doesn't help you at all if we simply tell you what you WANT to hear.

Any uv gel will run into the eponychium or sidewalls if not applied correctly. They all vary in viscosities and you have to learn their characteristics and how to control them. I have used all of the Nailite gels without issue. I have used IBD without issue.

Where did you get your training????

 

[akaza]

hi,

I have used IBD for over 7 years and have never had any problems with it. As geeg mentioned, IBD is a repitable brand, and I would recomend it, as it is a lovely product and looks great.

Once you get the hang of using it, you will be producing beautiful nails!

I do agree with the other geeks though...it does get exspensive buying different systems all the time, but if you are okay with spending the money, to try find the perfect gel that suits you, then thats up to you.

If it was me on the other hand, I would choose one of the products that you have tried, train with them and keep practicing till I go it right!

hth x x

 

[abook]

Thanks akaza! I really really like Nailite as for their products prices etc. and felt that maybe I would give their gel a go, and the fact that you do get more for the money (1oz of Nailite gel versus 1/2 oz with IBD). However, I have noticed a difference between the two in that the Nailite tends to want to lift from the tip or natural tip within a day or so, where the IBD does not. One of the ladies at Nailite said that she would contact me regarding some hints that maybe would be of use to myself or others using the product to help avoid this from happening that aren't mentioned in the directions. I order 90% of my products from Nailite and it would have made my ordering easier this way.I just want to make sure that no matter what I'm choosing a product that I know my client will be satisfied with when they leave my table with the enhancement I have given them. Thanks for the insight. I'm going to see if anyone close to me or my sisters in kentucky will be conducting a class on nailite products in the next few months so I can save up to go to it.

 

[VHunter]

However, I have noticed a difference between the two in that the Nailite tends to want to lift from the tip or natural tip within a day or so, where the IBD does not.

This is not a reflection on the product. I never had such issues.
Could be that you're not capping the product properly, or sufficiently buffing the 'tip' for the gel to adhere to it.
Gel won't stick to the smooth surface of a tip, it must be etched.
And for natural nails, they must be capped with the gel(much like a fitted sheet wraps a boxspring mattress).

hth's

 

[geeg]

This is not a reflection on the product. I never had such issues.
Could be that you're not capping the product properly, or sufficiently buffing the 'tip' for the gel to adhere to it.
Gel won't stick to the smooth surface of a tip, it must be etched.
And for natural nails, they must be capped with the gel

(much like a fitted sheet wraps a boxspring mattress).

hth's

Ooooh I LIKE that Victoria! Another one to add to my repertoire that will go with me to the classroom. :green:

Great helpful advise.

 

[VHunter]

Ooooh I LIKE that Victoria! Another one to add to my repertoire that will go with me to the classroom. :green:

Great helpful advise.

Thanks:!:


(off to smile proudly in corner that Gigi's using one of her phrases in a classroom:green

 

[abook]

I have been endcapping, however, if I need to do any filing for whatever reason after the set is done, it defeats the whole purpose of endcapping . So I suppose I must-must make sure not to have to file correct?? I have asked my clients, and paid attention to my own overlay, that after I do a set as to whether or not they have exposed their hands to water. My son was playing in the sink (being very sneaky lol) and right after I finished my overlay I had to clean up the mess, getting my nails wet. The few test clients said they did something close such as taking a shower, or doing dishes etc.. Could the exposure to water after be causing some lifting issues? I notice with acrylics it does simply becuase water makes the nail contract and swell, could it be more prevelant with gel? I am however very pleased to see that the issues aren't at the cuticles....so my cuticle care prior to service seems to be good (thank goodness..which came from learning with acrylics lol). I naturally have very resistant nails, so I know if I find something that will stay on me, especially with an overlay, it will do very well on my clients. Thanks for the help ladies...sorry for the issues!

 

[abook]

This is not a reflection on the product. I never had such issues.

:green: Thank you...that only means good news for me! I love the viscosity of this gel, and the workability it has, so, I can't wait to talk to the nail tech at Nailite, and just keep trying....I loveeee gel! I didn't realize I would like it sooo much. I airbrush alot too and have found that a nice thin layer of gel overtop of my artwork does not allow the paint to crack and seals it in good and tight for longevity!!

 

[VHunter]

I have been endcapping, however, if I need to do any filing for whatever reason after the set is done, it defeats the whole purpose of endcapping .
The bulk of your filing should be done BEFORE applying the product, getting the free edge the very shape that you want. Nearly perfect SO that when you cap/wrap the edge, you have only to lightly smooth out any lumps/bumps in the gel so that it's smooth. You might be applying your capping too thinly, or overfiling it, or both.
So I suppose I must-must make sure not to have to file correct??
A tiny bit of filing to correct and 'glops' of gel that didn't go the direction you wanted is fine, but you don't want to file more than that.
I have asked my clients, and paid attention to my own overlay, that after I do a set as to whether or not they have exposed their hands to water. My son was playing in the sink (being very sneaky lol) and right after I finished my overlay I had to clean up the mess, getting my nails wet. The few test clients said they did something close such as taking a shower, or doing dishes etc.. Could the exposure to water after be causing some lifting issues?
If the nails are not capped properly at the free edge and it's an NNO (Natural nail overlay, no tips), then the free edge of the nail will expand much like a sponge, each time it's wet and absorbing water. THEN it'll contract/shrink back to shape as it dries. Repeated expansions and contractions will weaken the adhesion at the free edge as a result of the natural nail changing shape, but the gel maintaining it's shape. Did that make sense? VERY important to cap properly so that the gel holds the natural nail in place, and so it doesn't separate at the free edge.

I notice with acrylics it does simply becuase water makes the nail contract and swell, could it be more prevelant with gel?
Nope, it's not anymore prevalent. You're experiencing your learning curve in gel, and haven't yet come to grips, so expect hiccups.
I am however very pleased to see that the issues aren't at the cuticles...
You mean the eponychium. The cuticle is what you scraped off the nail plate, during prep.
.so my cuticle care prior to service seems to be good (thank goodness..which came from learning with acrylics lol). I naturally have very resistant nails, so I know if I find something that will stay on me, especially with an overlay, it will do very well on my clients. Thanks for the help ladies...sorry for the issues!

we all have issues when we are learning.
that's just normal
:hug: