just been to get my hair cut ,( i am a hairdresser ) only been out of the salon for 2 years ,working on my own ,but when ever i ask for long layers ,shorter on top graduating to h eavier at the back ,anyone under the age of 25 cuts it shorter on the crown and over directs the front and sides back ,exactly the opposite of what i want - i know i trained 15 years ago but its really frustrating - do they not teach this classic cut anymore ? I know this style they do works well on straightened hair ,ive done it many times but my hair is long and curly ! I always feel like such an idiot tell me im not going mad .
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in college we are originally taught to cut our guide at the crown and pull everyhting up to it,
i prefer pulling everyhting up to the top (not the crown) so i do it that way,,,,
i only know to do this because i watched my tutor doing it and decided to copy her! otherwise i probably wouldnt be any wiser!
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i prefer pulling everyhting up to the top (not the crown) so i do it that way,,,,
i only know to do this because i watched my tutor doing it and decided to copy her! otherwise i probably wouldnt be any wiser!
:hug:
for longer hair we were always taught to bring wverthing up to the top and cut so its a diagonal line shorter at front longer on crown and even longer to wards the back . i know its still all layering , its just different distributions of weight
scottydolly
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i was taught the crown is ur first cut then work forward and then do the back last, but my fave way for long layers is taking a vertical section from middle forehead to crown and start shorter at the haire gettin longer by angling ur finger up further every section u go back, once u get to the crown and down the the nape u do the same pull it right up to the crown but still angling ur fingers right up to keep the length, then ur next secetion is the same moving from the centre guid outwards on each sode of the head pulling into the middle. . . that my way i do it anyways haah. /. xxx
Crikey! Reading this is so scary for me in my second year on the NVQ2! I was taught the method with a strip from the front hairline to the crown as the guide, and pull the rest up to that. You guys are coming out with all different versions! I know you do different angles for different cuts, but why can't just one be called "long layers", another be called "long layers from the front", etc etc! It would make it easier for us beginners to follow what the experienced people are talking about then!
some people think that long layers are simply layers around the base of the hair ,others think that its long hair with layers in ,- wheras im acually on about a long layered cut ! still confused ? ive been hairdressing 15 years and im never confused until i go and get my hair cut a only to be told im talking rubbish and theres no such thing!
paulette
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I cut long layers the way you describe, so I think whoever said ur talkin rubbish needs to look in the mirror!! I was taught this way and this is what I call long layers.
becki x
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The method you describe is a long graduation. The other method is and increased layer and both are required cuts in level 2 hairdressing so i can't understand why even newbies wouldn't know what you meant 
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*JOANNE*
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we are taught 2 types of layering long hair...long graduation/natural inversion......section front to crown shorter at the front going up towards the crown and also the other is called square (all brought up and cut square front to crown all the same length )without over directing..thats the two we are taught...then use forward graduation
VHunter
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Having very long hair myself, and having been butchered many times over..... I understand your frustration.
It seems to me that not many hairdressers are good at layering hair that's below the shoulders or near the mid-back length. I don't know if it's not taught enough in class (I know it wasn't in mine, and I learned on the job) that it has to be cut differently than hair at shoulder length, or what the problem is.
BUT I know for my length of hair, from my own experience as a hairdresser, and from my own hairdresser's mouth: hair as long as mine should be cut from the bottom up (sorry if I don't explain well, long time out of the business).
You must NEVER bring hair my length up to the crown because it ends up butchered and looking ridiculous. And it can only be layered so far, otherwise it looks a mess. The shortest layer reaches just below my chin and my longest is at my middle back.
The bottom is the guideline so to speak, and you pull the section outwards at an angle, lifting it upwards until the lowest layer (from the nape) is about to fall loose of the section, then you cut it with the scissors at a vertical angle (does that make sense?).
You can add further layers, by using the shortest piece from the former as your guide, but I'm not sure how on earth I'd explain it without showing you what I mean.
Hope I've made some kind of sense, but in this part of the world, that's what "long layers" mean; that it's layered along the bottom and that the hair is left long and not layered near the crown. Not many hairdressers that I have personally met/worked with can do it 'properly' or well. I say this as a former hairdresser and as a client.
It seems to me that not many hairdressers are good at layering hair that's below the shoulders or near the mid-back length. I don't know if it's not taught enough in class (I know it wasn't in mine, and I learned on the job) that it has to be cut differently than hair at shoulder length, or what the problem is.
BUT I know for my length of hair, from my own experience as a hairdresser, and from my own hairdresser's mouth: hair as long as mine should be cut from the bottom up (sorry if I don't explain well, long time out of the business).
You must NEVER bring hair my length up to the crown because it ends up butchered and looking ridiculous. And it can only be layered so far, otherwise it looks a mess. The shortest layer reaches just below my chin and my longest is at my middle back.
The bottom is the guideline so to speak, and you pull the section outwards at an angle, lifting it upwards until the lowest layer (from the nape) is about to fall loose of the section, then you cut it with the scissors at a vertical angle (does that make sense?).
You can add further layers, by using the shortest piece from the former as your guide, but I'm not sure how on earth I'd explain it without showing you what I mean.
Hope I've made some kind of sense, but in this part of the world, that's what "long layers" mean; that it's layered along the bottom and that the hair is left long and not layered near the crown. Not many hairdressers that I have personally met/worked with can do it 'properly' or well. I say this as a former hairdresser and as a client.
*JOANNE*
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victoria, you have just rung a bell.... we had a demo in our first year it was on our tutors neice who had very very long hair and she demo-d using the very cut you have described....
and you have just reminded me about it. x
and you have just reminded me about it. x
VHunter
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Thank god someone understood what I meant:lol: I wasn't sure I'd explained it well at all.
The other thing is this: on my hair my length (mid back) if you yank it all up to the crown, and lop it off there, you wind up with tonnes of short layers at the crown, and then long straggly pieces at the bottom that are well... a mess.........
Put it this way, to "roll" my own hair (a section stemming from the crown), I can't extend my arms far enough above my head to hold the section straight. Hair that long shouldn't be brought up to the crown.
If I remember it correctly, I "think" we called it "reverse layering" in regards to the technique because it was the reverse of every other cut in terms of where our guidelines were LOL:lol:
Thanks for understanding what I meant!:hug:
The other thing is this: on my hair my length (mid back) if you yank it all up to the crown, and lop it off there, you wind up with tonnes of short layers at the crown, and then long straggly pieces at the bottom that are well... a mess.........
Put it this way, to "roll" my own hair (a section stemming from the crown), I can't extend my arms far enough above my head to hold the section straight. Hair that long shouldn't be brought up to the crown.
If I remember it correctly, I "think" we called it "reverse layering" in regards to the technique because it was the reverse of every other cut in terms of where our guidelines were LOL:lol:
Thanks for understanding what I meant!:hug:
yeah , i keep accidently keep getting the same haircut as u V, i ask for shorter layers at the front going to longer layers at the back ,and i get straggly bottom ,choppy middle and heavy front ! every time ! T he last girl apsaid ,layers are layers you either have them or not ,i tried to argue i was a hairdresser ,but gave up because she was pretty and thin and i looked awful having dashed about between school and nursery ( starting to really lack confidence )
pink_n_fluffy0
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We were shown the pull it up to the crown but told the best way it to pull the hair out at 90 degrees to the head then using the guide at the top cut at 45 degress. I dont know if that makes sence but I know what i mean lol.
VHunter
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You can't do that with hair the length of my own. Doesn't work. Unless I've misunderstood your explanation.
After a certain length, you have to toss the idea of the crown as your guide; it just doesn't work. At my length, you have to work from the bottom up.
After a certain length, you have to toss the idea of the crown as your guide; it just doesn't work. At my length, you have to work from the bottom up.
pink_n_fluffy0
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I have never heard of working from the bottom up, I will ask my tutor to show me that tonight
