My FIRST greenie & wet/dry ratio ....

[VHunter]

I'm NOT a happy camper.:evil::evil::evil:
I've never had a greenie from enhancements, NONE of my clients have ever had any. NEVER. NOT ONE SINGLE TIME!!!

YET.... my model developed one and I developed one in the same week.
Ok, she didn't call me about the lift.. and so it was left to go for 2wks.....

As for myself...On my right hand, on the pinkie/ring finger/index, I'm prone to getting lift because my left hand isn't steady and to get the right angle to get at the 'right' side of those nails is a tricky bugger... I NEVER get lift on my left, nor on my right thumb and forefinger. But those 3 other fingers give me a devil of a time.

So, add to that my struggle of getting the mix ratio right, controlling a brush bigger than I'm accustomed to AND not having sufficient time to repair my OWN lift as soon as I saw it... BUT I still don't get it!! I've had lift before on those fingers and never had a greenie. Clients occasionally have lift with the uv gel and NEVER gets greenies.

Is it possible the incidence of greenies with L&P is higher because it's more porous than uv gel and therefor retains the moisture more?

I'm SOOOOO mad about it, it's not funny. I was full of pride because it had never happened, and now my balloon has been popped:irked:


Other issue:
I pick up the bead, trying to get the ratio right. I try a few times, too dry, too wet, too dry again..... ooohhh there we go. Ok, now I've got a bead that looks perfect on the end of my brush. Pop it onto the nail, let it settle, go to work it and OMG it's soaked and way too wet because my brush is still pretty full of liquid.
I do NOT like pressing my brush to a paper towel all the time, to remove excess as I was taught. Utter waste of product and adds to the vapours in my home.

Do I need a smaller brush that retains less liquid? What am I doing wrong?:cry:
I'm frustrated beyond measure.

If I can't get this ratio right, I'm petrified I'll see more greenies. As it is... I keep suffering lift along with my 3 models. Luckily, they KNOW this isn't usual with me, with uv gel. And they're willing to 'suffer' the consequences of my practicing. But YOIKES....I can't stand to keep sending them out the door with less than decent nails.:cry:

 

[Urban Geek]

Re your mix ratio, try draining your brush a bit more before picking up the bead. Try doing a full A4 sheet of beads, just practicing and placing the beads down, watching them settle and hopefully you will be able to get a better consistency and mix ration.

Clients who have been experienced greenies in the past tend to be more prone and the greeny usually appears on the same nail(s).

I find it puzzling as to why you and your client would experience greenies at the same time if you were working to what I imagine would be to a high sanitry standard.

If/your client you experience lifting and you have your hands in water often, it will make you more prone to greenies. Clients who also pick at their nails and stick them back down themselves can encourage greenies.

My application and mix ratio are not always perfect and I do sometimes experience lifting but I do not automatically expect greenies with lifting. If I were you, I would disgard all the used files and buffers and sanitise my metal tools thoroughly, just to be on the safe side.

Sorry I can't be of much more help.:hug:

 

[Jessicles]

Ahh, the dreaded greenie! At least I can offer you some comfort in saying that the greenie was not down to poor sanitation if it occurred under current lifting (if it was green and surrounded by attached product, then that would be the tech's fault). I'm not sure why L&P seems to be more prone to greenies, but I find it also true. It may be because the L&P is not flexible as gel, therefore when moisture gets under it, it traps it better? It may also be that there is MORE lifting on your L&P models than you ever have on your gel clients. The farther the lift gets into the interior of the nail, the more chance for green. I've also found that clients who wear dark polish are more apt to grow a greenie because you're adding "DARK" to "moist" and "warm", all things bacteria love.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help. The only way to prevent greenies is to have zero lifting on 100% of your clients, and that's kind of a hard feat. You're new with L&P, you'll get the kinks out eventually

 

[VHunter]

Thanks for your comments!

I'm about 99.9999% sure it's not my prep or my standards of sanitation.
EVERYTHING gets sanitized and disinfected. If it can't be disinfected, it gets TOSSED.
For my prep, I'm ANAL about clean nail plates and clean hands and nail plates get cleaned thoroughly and a sanitizer and antiseptic are used during the service.

I'm not 'blaming' the L&P. And yes, with gel there is 'occasional' lift on clients, but only those that are terribly rough with their hands (biters that are reforming.. etc) or the rare occasion that my finishing gloss dribbled the wrong direction and touched skin (RARE). The rest of my clients don't experience lift.
I just found it rather odd that we both are now wearing L&P and we both wound up with lift and a greenie :irked: So I'm sure it's down to my ratio and the resulting lifting.

I wear rubber gloves for EVERYTHING (dishes and housekeeping) but am a frequent hand washer (kids and business.....).
My client never wears rubber gloves.. and is also a frequent hand washer.

this greenie INSULTS me :irked:

I'll practice my beads later today.
I've tried having less liquid in the brush, but then my bead is too dry (has dry patches of powder on it)..... drives me bananas.
I hope I get this ratio soon. :cry:

 

[Jessicles]

If I'm not mistaken, EZ Flow likes a pretty dry ratio, don't they? We used some in school, but I can't be sure. Hopefully an ezflow tech can shed some light on that. But I find that in the winter, I will go with a dryer bead (less liquid on the brush) and tap excess off. Maybe this is isn't right, but the bead is the right consistency going on the nail and I don't experience any service breakdown from using a dry mix. I use CND though, so I don't know if that makes a difference. I don't want to encourage any bad habits lol, but maybe give it a try on yourself?

 

[sian1979]

i had the exact same thing a while back with one of my clients...i couldnt figuire out why at all...i thought it was my mix ratio....but if it was why not on more clients????.....in the end i finally put it down to the fact that i had used tips on this particular lady. As the nail grew...she wore them LONG...her natural nail curled away from the tip at the side walls.....allowing moisture in......it took me ages to work this one out...i then did a complete new set and sculpted them....after that...no problems.
Ezflows Q monomer does actually have quite a wet ratio.....2:1...i struggled for ages to gt the hang of it after my conversion..... my biggest battle!!!

this article helped me quite alot when i was having problems with my mix ratio.....as i was having alot of pocket lifting....
http://www.salongeek.com/general-articles/2631-pocketful-woe.html