HowdA All.
What a thread (or should I say a pain in the butt!)
Well, all of your experiences do very much warrant some more research into this situation.
There are so many variables that go into happy, long term product application that we all sometimes try to boil it down to a magic bullet.
In my experience, there is never 1 reason why a problem occurs. It is always a mix of different things that come together and cause a problem.
Take cracking for example.
The longer the nails... the more the increase % of breakage.
The thinner they are... the more the increase % of breakage.
The further out your mix is... the more the increase % of breakage.
The more finishing is done... the more the increase % of breakage.
etc...etc...etc...
What this means is that you may not see a crack even though the nails are too long, and your mix is whacked out.... but if maybe the one of the rebalances about 4 visits ago happened to be a little aggressive... BAM... thats the pup that threw it over the edge.
What we all do here as a team (everyone on this board) is work together to explore the difficulties that we experience as professionals... explore the technical, scientific facts, couple them with real life experience, and then explore the solutions to make our jobs easier, funner, and far more effective.
To cap on the pocket lifting...
The scientific data points to 2 key reasons (the core contributing factors...)
Wet mix... (the wetter you go the greater the % of shrinkage, and so the greater the % of pocket lifting)
Thick product application (the thicker your app, the more product "move" during shrinkage)
Many people who had problems with R+ pocket lifting and have success with another system have done little more than added acidic primer to their application. I don't particularly see anything wrong with that... hell... if it works and doesnt cause a problem... then in my opinion it is a benefit... anyhoo... using primer with R+ would of most likely given them the exact same (if not better in my opinion) results.
Anyhoo.... that just points to other contributing factors and the Primer will act like a mask on the situation.
Is that a bad thing? Hell no. As stated before, if they now are having success and doing it safely... then rock and roll baby!
I am not trying to defend CND or R+, nor discount anyones experiences here (they are invaluable to this board) but for every one tech that has been having problems with pocket lifting... there are thousands that havent.
There are not that many batches made up every year, so effectively we do all work from the same batch. That does not mean that if you have had pocket lifting problems that it should be shrugged off! It sounds to me as if an abnormal amount of people have been having this problem the last year...so.... I for one believe this situation does need much more investigation. I can tell you that it is being looked into at great lengths and while so far there is nothing new to report, I sill look forward to any information we can obtain through the exercise.
Anyhooo..... hope this post helps... I HATE it when I hear of people having problems as a professional (regardless of the product line they use) that is the one key reason this board was made... so we could discuss and help as a whole.
I value every single persons opinion and comments on this and just about every other subject here.
Toooooooodles... and peace yall :revolve: