Teeth whitening - really confused

[ckjustpamper]

Can somebody please shed me some light on teeth whitening. I am looking to introduce into the salon and received an email from a company. Their products are non peroxide at 0.01%, non evasive so I will not be touching the clients mouth instead my ladies will administer the shield. All I will be doing is applying the product to the shield, setting up the lamp correctly and just keeping watch. (This sounds just so lazy to me?) She also mentioned no consultation to be carried out - I presume she means consultation as in like you would have at the dentist and not a beauty salon?

I ask about insurance as there is no training and it can be covered through public liability and product liability, if my current insurer won't cover then the company said they can supply me with one that can?

I have been given the prices of setting up and it does look appealing but I do not know whether this would be a good treatment to do or not. Does any one have any views? Do any of you do this procedure already? If so who do you do it with? Popular or not?

Advice would be much appreciated xx

 

[mollie1985]

No training? No consultation ? If steer well clear xx

 

[pure]

I was under the impression that it was now only legal for qualified dentists to carry out teeth whitening and beauty therapists weren't allowed to offer this anymore?

 

[ckjustpamper]

I was under the impression that it was now only legal for qualified dentists to carry out teeth whitening and beauty therapists weren't allowed to offer this anymore?

Well that was what I was under the impression too until I received this email. The lady was saying that in October 2012 it was made illegal for anyone but a dental practitioner to with anything more than a peroxide of above 1% that's why these companies offer it at 0.01% peroxide, and as it is non evasive and self administered by the customer this makes it ok because us therapist will not at any point be touching the mouth?

 

[libbylou]

Honestly i would not chance my reputation or my salon, on some kind of loop hole. Leave the teeth whitening to the experts, i.e. the DENTISTS.

 

[Male Waxing]

There's so much conflicting misinformation on this subject and no way of getting a straight answers from anywhere in regards to the legality of tooth whitening...I think it's best avoided all together.

 

[caosumpter]

Tooth whitening is the practice of dentistry. You can only practice tooth whitening if you have a dental qualification or are working to the prescription of a dentist and are registered with them. There is no such thing as a tooth whitening qualification. Check with The General Dental Council. Yesterday a man was fined £15,000.

 

[ckjustpamper]

Ok this is why I love this forum, best to leave well alone! I will thanks for the advice so far xx

 

[pure]

You might find this interesting reading http://www.salongeek.com/news/250808-beauty-beauticians-illegal-teeth-whitening-case-reopened.html

 

[BBS77]

Plus at 0.01% you'll get the same effect from a regular tooth whitening toothpaste!!

Steer clear, not only is it illegal, it's also crap!!

 

[Male Waxing]

Tooth whitening is the practice of dentistry. You can only practice tooth whitening if you have a dental qualification or are working to the prescription of a dentist and are registered with them. There is no such thing as a tooth whitening qualification. Check with The General Dental Council. Yesterday a man was fined £15,000. View attachment 73709

Again tho that still doesn't give enough details about the case or what it was he was actually doing. You can see he was claiming to be a dental technician....if he was doing that then what else was he claiming and doing? A lot of these reports are put out by the dental council to scare people off but don't really go into detail. Nearly all the cases I have seen someone has not bothered to defend themselves or pleaded guilty but it's made to look like their was an epic court battle where the case was actually heard.

Having said that I still wouldn't touch the industry with a barge pole.

 

[TJReiki]

Personally - I would leave well alone. Whoever you are speaking to doesn't sound to be very professional in their approach - and I would check with your insurers and the Beauty Guild to get their views on Teeth Whitening.

I think we all have a professional talent in the treatments that we provide, and take our work verbs seriously. Ask yourself the question - If you wanted teeth whitening - would you feel more comfortable going to a dentist - or a beauty therapist? I for one would go to the "teeth" professional - The Dentist.

I think there are things out there that we ,as therapists should just steer clear of. My dentist comes to me for his hair removal - because thats one thing I specialise in, and he feels confident in the knowledge that this is my field of expertise… I know nothing about teeth, and dentists train for years - so, should there ever be a problem with a tooth treatment, they will know the right course of action to take. We can't all be experts in everything

Just my opinion - I'm sure others will state their opinions too

Terry

 

[samanthaattard]

I completely agree with TJREIKI !!!! I have had my teeth whitened by my dentist , before the treatment i needed a check up for any contra indications that would effect the treatment and luckily enough he did because i needed a filling due to a hole in my teeth. If this treatment would have been carried out before the whitening it could have resulted in an infection and worst case tooth removal !!!! I for a therapist is not a qualified dental professional in my opinion should not be allowed to do the treatment . I have known and seen many people come away from a beauty salon after having the treatment with ore existing dental conditions and the therapist did not refer them to seek dental help they just lined there pockets and continued to perform the service . This is all my opinion and you need to decide for yourself but i would stay well clear , i mean you wouldn't go to the dentist for a leg wax would you . x

 

[mto]

Someone was prosecuted a few weeks ago and they use Pearly's as well

Illegal tooth whitener pleads guilty

I carry out teeth whitening with Pearly's. It is legal as it is self administered. We have had a lot of dentists and other people from that area coming into our salon saying they aren't happy with it but it's completely legal as long as you aren't touching the product, the client has to do it all.

You HAVE to do a FULL consultation with your clients.Eg. Can't have the treatment if they have epilepsy due to the light. So if you go straight into a treatment you would be liable.

No training!!?? That's a joke. You need training in every treatment you do especially this one.

 

[mto]

He was convicted on 3 accounts - one was for using a restricted title but the other two convictions were for two individual instances of teeth whitening - only two customers!

Here is a more detailed writeup of a case a few weeks ago
Beautician fined for 'foolishly' whitening teeth without a dentistry qualification | Hull Daily Mail

"He said: "There was insurance in place and there have been no complaints about the work which was carried out.

"She was contacted last September from the General Dental Council and told what she was doing was unlawful.

"The first thing she did was panic and contacted the company that was providing her with the products.

"The company said there was nothing wrong with what she was doing and she took that at face value."

When Johnson received further communication and a summons from the General Dental Council she stopped."​

These companies are passing on the liability from themselves to the people that they train.

Again tho that still doesn't give enough details about the case or what it was he was actually doing. You can see he was claiming to be a dental technician....if he was doing that then what else was he claiming and doing? A lot of these reports are put out by the dental council to scare people off but don't really go into detail. Nearly all the cases I have seen someone has not bothered to defend themselves or pleaded guilty but it's made to look like their was an epic court battle where the case was actually heard.

Having said that I still wouldn't touch the industry with a barge pole.

 

[salj]

I look at it like this, I wouldn't go to a beauty salon to get my teeth whitened, I'd go to my dentist. Too much of a grey area.

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[LieLash]

One of my old nail clients husband was my dentist - before I did her nails she went to a nss nail bar. I was speaking to my dentist at my app talking about teeth whitening and what an awful experience I had when I got them done with someone who wasn't dentist - he calmly said " do u remember telling my wife off for going to a nss, well this is the same"

Point made. Only person going any where near my teeth from now on is my dentist!!!

 

[libbylou]

Surly you are not that stupid ?

 

[Steph86]

You are doing teeth whitening by using a loop hole, Not touching the mouth. So not sure how you can advertise that you offer teeth whitening, you don't. You sell the kits.

These kits are for self administration, so the client does it themselves.

You have no purpose charging them for anything other than the tray.

Im not sure what chargeable service you are providing, except retailing a product, and allowing them to use it and your light (which is not actually needed) in your salon. You aren't suppose to touch the product, as to not break the law. That speaks volumes!

Don't mistake the truth, The public can do what ever they like to their own mouth, apply cleaning bleach on their teeth if they want to. That is not illegal, neither is peroxide or 0% if thats what they choose to do.

Just like I could do my own botox, tattoo myself, pierce myself... Colour my own hair, do acrylics, just about anything I'm not qualified in.

I should offer these services unqualified, at a fraction of the cost, when clients arrive ask them to pick up and open a needle/ hair colour/ nail kit and ask them to read the instructions and carry it out in this room... Il pop in and check every 10 mins, oh and you can use my light!

Can you imagine? This is exactly what is happening with teeth whitening.

It is shocking.

The kits I don't have a massive problem as a retail product for the client to take home & do it themselves in their own homes.

The problem I have is therapists offering it as a 'service' when it isn't a service. It isn't comparable to teeth whitening by a dentist.

We are in an industry where we offer consultations before all our treatments, we look for and ask about contra indications and understand the importance.

Yet all this means nothing when it comes to teeth whitening?!


Xx

 

[libbylou]

Any company can issue you with a certificate , that still does not make it legal or right. We are not dentists, you have no idea what is going on inside someones mouth. For an industry we are fighting to regulate, then salons offering teeth whitening are doing nothing to help our cause. It is all about making a quick buck, with no thought to the client at all. Just because you have attended a course for a few hours, does not make you any where qualified to offer teeth whitening. The whole thing is a joke.