geeg
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Best calling the office and they will be able to recommend several Educators in or around your vicinity. You may have to travel but it will be worth it. X
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Training - Diploma/NVQ difference!
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Best calling the office and they will be able to recommend several Educators in or around your vicinity. You may have to travel but it will be worth it. X
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geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
No, it is the same just a different awarding body. VCTC or ITEC , C&G etc all offer essentially the same NVQ equivalent qualification.
I had a lovely young lady come into my salon the other day, looking for work experience. She had brought with her her level 3 diploma in nail technology,which she had done on a correspondance course - however she had never had any practical experience (hence the request for work exp) Bless her she had never even held a nail file - yet she had a level 3 dip!
Madness!!
And she had paid £500 for this - basically a text book
Thanks Deb for replying, just wouldn't want to get to the point of coming out not knowing what I was doing. So don't mind spending extra cash supporting myself
Cheers hun.
Lorraine
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Oh thought you were ignoring me since Wednesday lol. Have been chatting to and researching other options so a lot to think about.
Lorraine
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geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
I haven't been ignoring you, :hug: but I am not in my office every day and am retired from the day to day things and I am the wrong channel to go thru for education enquiries and your query is one of those things. Lol. Always Best to go through the office. They know all the answers and their job is to look after you.
Bunz
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NVQs (National Vocational Qualifications) suggest you are 'work ready', (not always the case) VRQs (Vocationally related Qualifications...Diplomas) suggest you have the knowledge and skills in a work related subject...both are mapped to the national occupational standards and both can be awarded by City and Guilds and VTCT. Generally the difference lays within the assessment process, NVQs are time related i.e. you need to complete a service within a particular time. The shift for Colleges has been towards VRQs as apposed to NVQs recently, partly due to the QCF framework which links to goverment funding. The emphasis is on NVQs to be completed in Industry and VRQs in Colleges.
Ultimatly training boils down to the experience and passion of the trainer/tutor, be it in a college, with a private training provider or specific company based training...some put quantity (financial gain) over quality unfortunately.
Ultimatly training boils down to the experience and passion of the trainer/tutor, be it in a college, with a private training provider or specific company based training...some put quantity (financial gain) over quality unfortunately.
JuicyLucy
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Well this is news to me. NVQs generally (in other industries) were not time related as such. You just had to prove competence. Either by portfolio evidence (witnessed by a competent person) or demonstration (witnessed by an assessor). I suppose there could be a time related performance criteria, but I didn't think that was the main emphasis.
Maybe things have changed since I was involved in NVQ design? It was a long time ago
mum
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Well this is news to me. NVQs generally (in other industries) were not time related as such. You just had to prove competence. Either by portfolio evidence (witnessed by a competent person) or demonstration (witnessed by an assessor). I suppose there could be a time related performance criteria, but I didn't think that was the main emphasis.
Maybe things have changed since I was involved in NVQ design? It was a long time ago
No it isn't the emphasis but every service must be carried out in a certain time along with all the other requirements.
NVQ is competence based and supposed to be 'work ready' I.e basic level for employment. VRQ is more theory based and skills can be assessed in a college environment rather than salon. This is 'prepared for work' so further 'on the job' experience is needed.
Nal Artistry 1
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I originally trained with the ANT (Assoc. Nail Tecnicians RIP lol Gig sure you remebere them)then went on and trained with varioud companikes inc. CND. I agree Gigi at the time NVQ nails didn't exist in its own right back then it is a reletively new route...if you think beauty therapists tend to go to college after school then get a job...thats when the real learning starts doing courses with companies that specialise in a treatment etc. I suppose I would draw a parallel to this with nails. Also there is nothing wrong with completing reputable training instead of the NVQ.
I did my NVQ level 2 and 3 at college straight for school so i got it free so i wouldnt say it was a total waste of time but if i was paying £2000 i wouldnt be happy!
Its great for things like eyelash tinting and perming!! Basic treatments!
But for nails its a whole other story if you could see some of the nail we produced in that class you would of wet yourself laughing!! But yet we thought they were good as we passed our assesments and got to leave the class early as we passed!!
Im not sure if using white tips was even on the assesment form but we got told to use them! We spent most of the class doing nail art on tips!! And for the main assesments your suppost to do 8 (i think) 'clients' for a full set, they wasnt alond to be in the class or qualifide but yet we would pass our assesments for doing one hand of a fellow studen in our class and got told jst to doubble the time and make up a name and the signiture!! Haha looking back you realise what a joke it actually was!! But at the time we didnt know any different we thought that how you 'did nails'
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Its great for things like eyelash tinting and perming!! Basic treatments!
But for nails its a whole other story if you could see some of the nail we produced in that class you would of wet yourself laughing!! But yet we thought they were good as we passed our assesments and got to leave the class early as we passed!!
Im not sure if using white tips was even on the assesment form but we got told to use them! We spent most of the class doing nail art on tips!! And for the main assesments your suppost to do 8 (i think) 'clients' for a full set, they wasnt alond to be in the class or qualifide but yet we would pass our assesments for doing one hand of a fellow studen in our class and got told jst to doubble the time and make up a name and the signiture!! Haha looking back you realise what a joke it actually was!! But at the time we didnt know any different we thought that how you 'did nails'
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Hi I am now curious about this I have a BTEC National diploma in applied science (beauty therapy) dated from 2002 and a IHBC VTCT diploma also 2002 but it does not have a level does that make any difference? I spent over two years learning nails at college. They were initially covered in my Btec I believe but half way through they dropped it from the qualification and we were switched to the vtct for the second year so that we didn't lose out... Not sure what that means now? would that still qualify me for a conversion with cnd?
geeg
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Yes ...
shelldavis
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Hi would nvq level 2&3 be a better qualification than a btec course?
Hi Can anyone help i have started doing beauty in the last few months and i am finding being able to do fast track course really helpful as i live 2 hours away from any training school or collage this is the only way i can do it till my little one goes to nursery maybe. my question is can i be just as good with a diploma at the moment i practise loads and have good feed back , is there anyone out the who has done well with just diplomas ? im mainly doing tan, facial, nails not extentions , body wraps ,brows , any feed back will help me just need some positive feed back thanks x
cherrybaby
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Hi, I completed a diploma in Beauty Therapy at a local private training academy and it was tough! The class was the same, the work was the same but when we did our assessments for each of the treatments, every aspect of the treatment had to be right throughout in order for us to pass. The girls doing the VTCT however didn't have to do this, as each element was assessed so as long as they demonstrated elements across various clients, it didn't matter (as far as a qualification was concerned) if some aspects may have been incorrect. As a result, I had to do some of my assessments a few times until they were spot on, industry ready from start to finish. My tutor confessed that had I been doing the VTCT, I would have passed sooner. As a result, I left feeling confident that I had been thoroughly assessed and was ready to work. I have gone on to start my own mobile business which, while in it's early days, is already getting regular repeat clients which speaks for itself. I've also used that as a basis to carry on my learning with manufacturer/company training with the likes of CND, Sienna X and doing my Shrinking Violet training this weekend.
sandwiches
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I have completed my NVQ vtct 2 & 3 in beauty therapy. Maybe I was lucky with trainers but they were very stringent on assessments both practical and written. It hasn't stopped me from doing further training as I feel the best certificate in the world doesn't equate to experience. I am trained in waxing but it hasn't stopped me from further waxing training as its a 'forever' learning curve. I've done manicures and pedicures and the associated A&P but it hasn't stopped me doing a CND course
