Trouble with wax setting?????

[Kim Lawless]

I don't think it's right of me to hyjack the Berins thread, so this is for all of you who seem to be having trouble with your Perron Rigot Euroblonde not setting quick enough for you.

The answer is quite simply that you are putting too much wax on. I wax all day, every day and I NEVER have this problem, ever.

I'm really looking forward to receiving my Berins which Collin has very kindly sent to me to try (thanks Collin). It isn't here yet so I can't comment from personal experience, but for those of you that have a stock of Perron Rigot, I'm told by a colleague that the Jet Set is exactly the same as Perron Rigot Escential Rose (the cream coloured beads). It's sets straight away and really grabs short hairs.

 

[PinkPotions]

I do try hard to keep it thin but sometimes in hot weather it just turns into an ass viewing session :lol:

Thanks for the post x

 

[Kim Lawless]

I do try hard to keep it thin but sometimes in hot weather it just turns into an ass viewing session :lol:

Thanks for the post x

PMSL. You nutter!

As well as wasting time and product, you are throwing your profits down the drain. xxx

 

[Lori Nestore]

I have found anytime we had trouble with the PR (Cirepil in the States) line it was never the wax, but the technician. Yes most hard waxes can get gooey in the heat, thus the reason for a different formulation. We call it building monuments here Kim, we have clients that 'build monuments' with the wax and then wonder why it won't set up! Berins can be applied thinner, but in learning any particular line there is that discovery of how thick or how thin. And weather does play a factor in hard wax. But I think we hard wax advocates still prefer this style of product because we feel it is so beautiful on the skin and at hair removal.

 

[jenny2]

Personally i think this is a really good thread that you have risen kim, and a question that many waxing tech would love to have answered. Maybe one that could be discussed on your mentor courses, in regards to temp of the wax in the hive heater, what consistency and so fourth should the wax be at. I no on my training day with yourself the weather was really hot and the wax was playing havoc with u. So what is the answer to this question, hot wax is amazing, but and there is buts certain factors ie weather the client being hot and sweaty all contribute to how the wax works.
I have tried turning it up so it is of a thinner consistency but this causes the wax to be to hot, when set low so have a hard piece in the middle it is to thick and even through applying thinnly u end up with the same result. But sometimes it just seems to be brill even though u have done nothing different. So my question to u kim for us fellow geeks that have trained with u and use perron rigot is. When u arrive first thing in the morning in your treat ment room, knowing that u use a hive 1000 heater at what temperature do u plase your heater on the gage and do u need to alter this with the weather and your client and if so how do u do this to get the effect we want, ie thinly applied, correct temp for client, no strings and drying time being reduced hun. I ask u this as one proffesional to anouther:hug:

 

[Kim Lawless]

Personally i think this is a really good thread that you have risen kim, and a question that many waxing tech would love to have answered. Maybe one that could be discussed on your mentor courses, in regards to temp of the wax in the hive heater, what consistency and so fourth should the wax be at. I no on my training day with yourself the weather was really hot and the wax was playing havoc with u. So what is the answer to this question, hot wax is amazing, but and there is buts certain factors ie weather the client being hot and sweaty all contribute to how the wax works.
I have tried turning it up so it is of a thinner consistency but this causes the wax to be to hot, when set low so have a hard piece in the middle it is to thick and even through applying thinnly u end up with the same result. But sometimes it just seems to be brill even though u have done nothing different. So my question to u kim for us fellow geeks that have trained with u and use perron rigot is. When u arrive first thing in the morning in your treat ment room, knowing that u use a hive 1000 heater at what temperature do u plase your heater on the gage and do u need to alter this with the weather and your client and if so how do u do this to get the effect we want, ie thinly applied, correct temp for client, no strings and drying time being reduced hun. I ask u this as one proffesional to anouther:hug:

Once I've melted the wax, I put it just past number 2 on the dial.

I remember your training day and I remember your model very clearly but I don't remember the wax playing havoc. You've been in touch several times since then Jen, you should have mentioned the problem you've been having and I would have talked you through it.

You're applying too much wax OR too much oil. I've noticed that students apply too much oil which makes the wax slip slide. They then think the wax hasn't set because it isn't sticking. This is because you've applied too much oil and nothing to do with the wax not setting.

 

[jenny2]

It was the heat in the room hun that day, mind we were all sufferin with the heat that day to be fair, i was sweating cobs , u were and my client. yes my client was not the best in the world in regards to her pain thresh hold, bless her she nearly came off the couch whilst you were teaching me the technique, But to be fair on her, i think it is like anything, to learn u have to work on real people and she was my first lady and had to learn hands on there and then a completly new technique. she has been waxed twice since then as has got better every time, but then again my technique having waxed allot of ladies since i saw u has improved no end.
I have never asked u about the wax, simply because it did it that day on my training and i assumed u just had to work with the wax and alter the temp according to weather and client. But as u raised the thread i thought mmm, maybe it is not the case.
In regards to applying to much oil, i had a good trainer who showed me exactly how much oil to apply which is literally one tiny drop and to blot excess, so that obviously is not the issue. I do apply thinnly with a raised edge for lift off, and as i said sometimes if the weather is to hot it just goes all to pot. Not that we have had many of those days.
I no when i worked at my rented shop the sunbeds down stairs when in full use would make it so hot upstairs causing havoc again.
Kim i love perron rigot, but i think it is unfair on saying it is the therapists technique as the wax does in hot weather play havoc. x

 

[PinkPotions]

Well i remember reading that Kim gets about 12 brazilians to a bag of euroblonde & myself and most folk i know only get about 5/6 so that tells me that the majority of people using this wax are putting it on too thick, Yes even a spectacular waxer like myself can make thick strips! They may not look thick to me but they obviously are!

There's no point throwing a strop it's life! We can blame the wax all we like but changing brand will not instantly make you apply it thinner! Ask Lori she admits that all waxes have a period of adjustment you are giving up on one brand because you can't work it correct but you will have teething problems with all waxes. Change wax because it's better not because you want a way out of learning to use your current one.

 

[jenny2]

Pink Potions you are so right, changing brands will not help any one's technique whatsoever. Perron Rigot wax is amazing and i do not think any one could dought that for one minute hun. I love it but am always open to new ideas and if berins, which is not the point behind this thread is offering a wax that sets quicker when the weather is hot then that is great. The end of the day in our business we have to move with the times and i for one only want to use the best on the market. I have not as yet tried berrins but will be doing this week to see if there is a difference between the two.
I would imagine as u have said some technicians are applying to thickly, but this is not the case for all, nor is applying to much oil, sometimes other factors can cause problems like with any product. That is why i asked kim how she works her pots to see if on hot days it will make a difference. Not that we are gonna have any more summer lol. :lol:x

 

[PinkPotions]

I completely agree! I've ordered some Jet Set too for those super hot days, but i have been informed it will go brittle if it isn't used in the correct weather and in the UK we are best to stick to the blue unless we or the client is drowning in sweat.

I'm not doubting anyones technique or Berins for that matter i'm desperate to try and and see if it's better. I was just saying that sometimes us therapists think were applying thin when in fact were not!

xxx

 

[SusanEvian]

I too have used Cirepil (Perron Rigot ) for many years, when I was based in France. I found things much better when I started Using the Proper metal Perron Rigot, wax heater. (and it looks good as well)


Su

 

[Impulse1976]

Once I've melted the wax, I put it just past number 2 on the dial.

I remember your training day and I remember your model very clearly but I don't remember the wax playing havoc. You've been in touch several times since then Jen, you should have mentioned the problem you've been having and I would have talked you through it.

You're applying too much wax OR too much oil. I've noticed that students apply too much oil which makes the wax slip slide. They then think the wax hasn't set because it isn't sticking. This is because you've applied too much oil and nothing to do with the wax not setting.

Kim what number on the 500cc hive heater - would it still be the same? Thanks x

 

[Kim Lawless]

Kim what number on the 500cc hive heater - would it still be the same? Thanks x

I'm not sure doll but the Euroblonde should be thick and gloopy like thick yoghurt around the walls of the heater and more solid in the middle. xxx

 

[Kim Lawless]

At the risk of sounding like a parrot.........you're applying the wax too thick.

Jenny2.......I showed you how to use the fast setting wax. Don't you remember the cream beads and the wax goes on a creamy white colour? That sets straight away but doesn't go brittle in the winter.

You're totally correct that you should try different waxes. I think you should switch to Berins Jen as I'm sure it would really suit you.

I don't sell wax or get commission for recommending people to use it and never have........sales have never been my thing. I use PR because I believe it to be the best. Having said that, my Berins samples arrived today but I didn't get a chance to try them as I've been training. I left them out for the trainees and models to see though and I look forward to having a go with them this week.

 

[jenny2]

You're totally correct that you should try different waxes. I think you should switch to Berins Jen as I'm sure it would really suit you.

I think kim that as technology advances we should all be open to new ideas, and to be honest i think if the jet set is better then i will use that wax and incoperate it with my ocean blue. There is no hard and fast rule that states u should only use one wax. But will have to wait and see, i will only use the best products, but my clients are what is important and they will get the final say and the proof is in the pudding so to speak.

 

[Kim Lawless]

my clients are what is important and they will get the final say and the proof is in the pudding so to speak.

So say all of us. xxx