Alcohol cleansers and lifting?

[pure]

I have a client who is a nurse and when at work she is repeatedly washing her hands between patients with alcohol based cleansing gel.

When she returns each fortnight for her reballance she always has a little lifting. Not much, because she is alos very good at using her solar oil but it is there and we think it's due to the gel.

Is there anything other than solar oil that I could recommend for her to prevent the lifting?

 

[Lucy-Jayne]

Hiya

I think it may have something to do with the cleansers. I was actually in a hospital last night visiting someone and used the cleaners and about half an hour later I noticed that my nails weren't so shiny anymore!

You've got to think, if it's taking off a top coat, it's going to be doing something to the enhancements, probably very minimal, but definitely doing something. I know a couple of other people this has happened to.

I've got a bottle in my handbag that I always carry around (going on the tube every day, you need it!) It doesn't mention acetone on the bottle, but I expect that some of the ingredients in it are similar to some products that us techs use to clean / sanitise things. You've got to think what Scrubfresh can do!

I'd hope the hospital cleansers would be a bit stronger too than one of the ones that I carry around!

Perhaps this is the issue? And it sounds like, if it's not a problem with your Prep / Application, it may be that she'll always have a problem because of the gel that she has to use for her job.

In my opinion, I don't think that there's anyway of getting around that. Mind you, I only use L&P so a different system may work?

Although.... I used to have a Brisa UV Gel topcoat put over my enhancements when someone else did my nails, and everytime before they were soaked off, the top layer of gel had to be filed off as the product remover wouldn't touch it! Maybe this is the answer?!

Hope this helps!

L-J

xx

 

[Bagpuss]

is it a soak off gel you use...?

when i used Bio my nurse client had the same thing but since using non soak off gel (Akzentz) she has been fine.

 

[Classy Claws]

isopropyl shouldn't affect the enhancement (thats whats in the hand sanitisers and in your Scrubfresh) lifting I would put down to prep or product touching the skin, if the product is bonded to the nail as it should be other "substances" cant get under and lift it... take note next time u do a soak off that it dissolves the products from the top down, it cant 'get under' the enhancement so to say, unless there is already lifting there.

 

[pure]

is it a soak off gel you use...?

when i used Bio my nurse client had the same thing but since using non soak off gel (Akzentz) she has been fine.

Sorry I wasnt clear in my original post. xx

I use L&P and so wondered if it would be better using a gel system?

 

[Lil lisa]

Sounds like this particular client would benefit from non-soak off gels. But if you don't normally have this problem and don't usually use gel is it worth spending out on them L x

 

[ValencianNails]

Cool Blue (by Creative) contains alcohol so I can't imagine it'll be the alcohol based cleanser that causing the problems otherwise a great many more techs would have noticed it and said something by now.

Is there something she's doing repetitively that could be causing the lifting?

Is it the same nail/s all of the time?

Is she the only client who suffers with lifting like this?

 

[Bagpuss]

Thing is though we use cool blue on clients maybe once in 3-4 weeks....this stuff these nurses have to use is applied 10's of times a day...thats if it even is of the same strength as cool blue.

My nurse clients have no problems now they are on a non soak off gel.

 

[ValencianNails]

Thing is though we use cool blue on clients maybe once in 3-4 weeks....this stuff these nurses have to use is applied 10's of times a day...thats if it even is of the same strength as cool blue.

My nurse clients have no problems now they are on a non soak off gel.

I use Cool Blue on myself every time I use it on clients (and also at home) and it doesn't affect my enhancements, either when wearing gel or L+P...

You're right in that we wouldn't use it quite as often as a nurse would.

It's one of those things that you need to get to the bottom of :wink2:

 

[lotus blossom]

just my two penneth worth,
i have had a client for two yrs now no probs atall
last month she had bad lifting, not like her atall,
couldnt work out why
then she mentioned as she was visiting her grandma in hospital, woulf the washes/wipes she used before she entered the ward be the problem?
i said not sure but it would make sense as this is when we started noticing the problem,
sadly her grandma died and since no hospital visits nails are back to normal, with no lifting

ps my client wears l and p with brisa gel top coat

 

[butterfly100]

My husband`s mum has been in hospital for nearly 3 months now and she has to be barrier nursed so everytime we enter or leave the room we have to use to alchohol gel, it really irritates my hands and is really drying to my skin too!
I guess if you are using it all day long it must really dry out both hands and nails which isn`t great for anyone wearing enhancements.

 

[pure]

Is there something she's doing repetitively that could be causing the lifting?
It was the client herself who said today that she thought it was the cleansing gel at work because she uses it constantly.

Is it the same nail/s all of the time?
There is very slight lifting on all her nails.

Is she the only client who suffers with lifting like this?
Yes, thankfully she is, so I would hope that it's not my prep because my other clients are ok.

I have been considering investing in a gel system for a while and was going to wait until the next Excel to do some research. But this just got me thinking today whether having gel would help her any.

The trouble is I know virtually nothing about gels so I told her I would find out.

 

[Nicki-Marie]

I was under the impression nurses are not even permitted to wear clear varnish while they work. Sorry for being totally off topic. Half of my client base are nurses. Not one of them has enhancements. Sadly!

 

[CurlyQs]

is it a soak off gel you use...?

when i used Bio my nurse client had the same thing but since using non soak off gel (Akzentz) she has been fine.

I had a similar situation (with soak off) where a client used a soap that had a very high alcohol content - she used it pretty much every time she washed her hands. She was getting some lifting before 3 wks. She stopped using it altogether and switched to Citrus Soak and tadaa no more lifting!

 

[ValencianNails]

The trouble is I know virtually nothing about gels so I told her I would find out.

Hard gels (buff off) aren't porous so they don't get affected by such products as acetone etc.
If you use a buff off gel then it might be worth trying it on her and seeing how she gets on... either that or use a finishing gloss that's buff off and see if it helps.

Pleased for you that it's just her, at least you know it's nothing you're doing (or not doing).

 

[Bagpuss]

I was under the impression nurses are not even permitted to wear clear varnish while they work. Sorry for being totally off topic. Half of my client base are nurses. Not one of them has enhancements. Sadly!

i think it depends on what ward and who the ward sister is...some seem to get away with it and others don't.

i did read a report once about why nurses should NOT wear enhancements....something about breading of germs ... I'll see if i can find it.

 

[pure]

Hard gels (buff off) aren't porous so they don't get affected by such products as acetone etc.
If you use a buff off gel then it might be worth trying it on her and seeing how she gets on... either that or use a finishing gloss that's buff off and see if it helps.

Pleased for you that it's just her, at least you know it's nothing you're doing (or not doing).

So from what I have said do you
a) think it is possible that her cleansing gel are causing her lifting
and
b)recommend that we try her on something like Brisa?

Thanks :hug:

 

[pure]

i think it depends on what ward and who the ward sister is...some seem to get away with it and others don't.

i did read a report once about why nurses should NOT wear enhancements....something about breading of germs ... I'll see if i can find it.

My client works in a non NHS care home for the elderly and is a senior nurse there. Don't know if thats why she is allowed to wear them or not. She also likes to sport some nail art too!!

 

[Nicki-Marie]

I have clients who work on the admissions ward, they practically see all patients that enter the hospital, and eventually send them to the relevant wards. Others are dotted around on different wards. Its great for word of mouth!

Im guessing it would be down to the breeding of germs. Most are not allowed to have long nails. And i think the one sister is pretty hot on this.

Id secretly love to get my hands on their nails!

 

[Bagpuss]

http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/aol/redi...dItemPage=1&clickedItemDescription=WebResults

scroll down and read it all...its quite interesting really...parts are a bit naff...(about enhancements causing thinning and weak nails...but then what do i know about nursing so i forgive them...:lol: but its still good reading. x