Business owners-what wage do I deserve?

[Pinkbunny28]

I think your first comment is correct as in if you don't ask you don't get. Nothing wrong with asking, just be able to justify it when you are asked! A lot of people can't. Industry is certainly different...my husband comes home and asks me how much did you make today...I could say £500+ if I have a CACI course of treatments..I've worked out not to ask him ....as he will say anywhere between £8k and 500k+ he can sell two products for 30k with a GP of 50%....that's how you make money, sadly not here!

But if you owned a larger salon and employed 30 people and they each sold 2 caci courses a day (for example) you could make loads too? It depends what you are selling and in what quantities.

My point was really that we should not be being paid so poorly as we are skilled and so are people in other industries. I've definitely earnt more as a checkout girl than being on min wage in a salon..

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[virtues2011]

But if you owned a larger salon and employed 30 people and they each sold 2 caci courses a day (for example) you could make loads too? It depends what you are selling and in what quantities.

My point was really that we should not be being paid so poorly as we are skilled and so are people in other industries. I've definitely earnt more as a checkout girl than being on min wage in a salon..

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Not really. It is just the naughts at the end of the figures that change. Two staff. .two salaries... small building. .small rent .30 staff ...30 salaries ..big building. .big rent. . It is all relevant.

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[xxAmyxx]

If there was no minimum wage, we would all be working for 50p an hour...

 

[squidgernetball]

What you deserve and what you get obviously aren't the same. As a salon owner, I am being paid nowhere near what I deserve - the money just isn't there - yet!!! Everything is being ploughed back into the business and into training, products, stock, retail and so on and so on.

I can honestly say, the richest I was, in time and money was when I worked from home. I could pop dinner into the oven if I was finishing late. I could sit with a glass of wine with a client, and I always, always had money. Opening my own salon and employing staff has been the hardest thing I have ever done. I work ridiculous hours, my family feel neglected a lot of the time, wages HAVE to be paid, and the buck stops with me.

Would I do it all again - definitely, because I'm just beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel!

Vicki x

 

[eternalscot]

Nvq level2 is equalient to a GCSENvq level3 is equalient to a A level


I'm only mentioning this as some people get a bit carried away and think it is a Msc or Phd.


Anyway if your bringing loads of money and repeat business, your worth more. Remember though salon owners take the risk and responsibility. I'm all for people being self employed but it does bring another matter up, universal credit spells the end of self employed claiming benefits and saying they only earn £50 a week, now you will have to earn the minimum wage or get a job. I'm all for this as I feel the market has become rather saturated in cheaply done deals, which can only be done by people claiming benefits and not paying their mortgage. I charged more for my waxing 15 years ago than some people are asking now! I would more recommend someone to specialise in something expensive to earn money e.g caci, permanent make up then market it well, this elimates call the paid for by the state courses which command less money due to the saturation in the market.

 

[hazeleyes]

Nvq level2 is equalient to a GCSENvq level3 is equalient to a A level


I'm only mentioning this as some people get a bit carried away and think it is a Msc or Phd.


Anyway if your bringing loads of money and repeat business, your worth more. Remember though salon owners take the risk and responsibility. I'm all for people being self employed but it does bring another matter up, universal credit spells the end of self employed claiming benefits and saying they only earn £50 a week, now you will have to earn the minimum wage or get a job. I'm all for this as I feel the market has become rather saturated in cheaply done deals, which can only be done by people claiming benefits and not paying their mortgage. I charged more for my waxing 15 years ago than some people are asking now! I would more recommend someone to specialise in something expensive to earn money e.g caci, permanent make up then market it well, this elimates call the paid for by the state courses which command less money due to the saturation in the market.

I hear your point but I'm not convinced universal credit has been thought through properly though! I'm not ALL for it!

 

[Mobile Manicure]

I'm mobile and most of my work is pedicures or Gelish nails at £20 each. If I do 5 appointments per day (which is all I can manage as I work during school hours) I make £100 per day, £400 per week but only working 25 hours. Ok, I have to pay petrol (£20 per week as economic car and only stick to 5 mile radius) and products (approx £30 per week).

I could never survive working in a salon on a minimum wage. I also couldn't do the hours as would need after school childcare which would cost £30 per day as I have 2 kids. Just not do-able.

Work for yourself.

 

[eternalscot]

I'm mobile and most of my work is pedicures or Gelish nails at £20 each. If I do 5 appointments per day (which is all I can manage as I work during school hours) I make £100 per day, £400 per week but only working 25 hours. Ok, I have to pay petrol (£20 per week as economic car and only stick to 5 mile radius) and products (approx £30 per week).

I could never survive working in a salon on a minimum wage. I also couldn't do the hours as would need after school childcare which would cost £30 per day as I have 2 kids. Just not do-able.

Work for yourself.

Yes and are you declaring every penny, my be you are but there is a hell of a lot of beauty professionals who are not so that around £20k ish tax free, and perhaps tax credits on top off!! I know of people who do this and claimi there earning £2k and then claim housing benefit, tax credits very lucrative!! I'm not suggesting your doing this but merely pointing out this is going on across the trades and it will eventually be stamped out, and rightly so!

 

[xxAmyxx]

The problem is everyone seems to think they are entitled to benefits, they should only be used if you are seeking work/cannot work due to illness, Not because 'it's not worth my while going to work.'

 

[Mobile Manicure]

Yes and are you declaring every penny, my be you are but there is a hell of a lot of beauty professionals who are not so that around £20k ish tax free, and perhaps tax credits on top off!! I know of people who do this and claimi there earning £2k and then claim housing benefit, tax credits very lucrative!! I'm not suggesting your doing this but merely pointing out this is going on across the trades and it will eventually be stamped out, and rightly so!

I'm certainly not on any benefits, never had a benefit in my life apart from child benefits but we don't even qualify for that anymore. And yes, I pay my tax. I get earnings from other sources such as investments so its all too complicated for me and my accountant works out my tax. However I don't pay it. Hubby does. He earns a lot more than me so he pays my tax bill together with his as he is also self employed. Even with my tax taken off, I'm still earning more than minimum wage.

I find it incredible that with all the years of training beauty therapists have to go through, that they're earning less than a sales assistant who only needs a couple of days training. It is very unfair. I had no idea they earned so little. If I'd have taken a guess I would have thought they'd earned £10 per hour plus commission.

I once recently worked in an office doing menial tasks such as photocopying, filing and answering the phone and got £8.50 per hour.

 

[Mobile Manicure]

The problem is everyone seems to think they are entitled to benefits, they should only be used if you are seeking work/cannot work due to illness, Not because 'it's not worth my while going to work.'

I can see why people would choose the benefit route if working for someone for minimum wage leaves you worse off. They should increase minimum wage to £10 per hour. Anyway, this is for a whole other thread.

 

[xxAmyxx]

I can see why people would choose the benefit route if working for someone for minimum wage leaves you worse off. They should increase minimum wage to £10 per hour. Anyway, this is for a whole other thread.

I don't see why, why take advantage of the system if you don't need it? This is why people who cannot work due to health etc can't get the benefits they deserve. In other countries you don't get benefits. So if you don't need them you shouldn't be on them, also half the people that say 'I'm better off not working' say it's because they have to pay for childcare; well they should've thought about that before having kids then.

 

[Sashworth1207]

I think it all depends where you live I'm on the south coast and I get £8.50 plus 10% retail commission and 5% service commission and I'm trained to the same as you xxx

 

[JemmaB]

I think it all depends where you live I'm on the south coast and I get £8.50 plus 10% retail commission and 5% service commission and I'm trained to the same as you xxx

Wow thats a good deal.
I get £7 an hour, im the busiest b therapist at the salon.
I also sell more retail but don't get commission

Ahh just a while longer and I'll be self employed and hopefully seeing the benefits lol

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[beautybunnyx]

Thanks for a the comments, defo making me think of going back to self employment! X

 

[virtues2011]

What you deserve and what you get obviously aren't the same. As a salon owner, I am being paid nowhere near what I deserve - the money just isn't there - yet!!! Everything is being ploughed back into the business and into training, products, stock, retail and so on and so on.

I can honestly say, the richest I was, in time and money was when I worked from home. I could pop dinner into the oven if I was finishing late. I could sit with a glass of wine with a client, and I always, always had money. Opening my own salon and employing staff has been the hardest thing I have ever done. I work ridiculous hours, my family feel neglected a lot of the time, wages HAVE to be paid, and the buck stops with me.

Would I do it all again - definitely, because I'm just beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel!

Vicki x

Vicki - I take my hat off to you. I would have written that and left the last few lines out. ..ha ha.

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[squidgernetball]

Vicki - I take my hat off to you. I would have written that and left the last few lines out. ..ha ha.

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Maybe, but the belief on here often seems to be that if you open a salon, the cash will be rolling in and clients will flock to you. I have worked locally for 12 years and most of my clients have followed me, but the cash is definitely not rolling in. In a way I am lucky as my rent is really reasonable, but the location is right off the beaten track so we are constantly advertising and promoting.

I would hate anyone on here to think that their £6.50 per hour would suddenly become £25.00 plus per hour because they have their own salon. Clients are very fickle beings, and the costs involved can be hideous!!!

Vicki x

 

[facelashbrow]

I earn 6.74 as starting wage at sainsburys on checkouts in west sussex.

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[kaysmith87]

Maybe, but the belief on here often seems to be that if you open a salon, the cash will be rolling in and clients will flock to you. I have worked locally for 12 years and most of my clients have followed me, but the cash is definitely not rolling in. In a way I am lucky as my rent is really reasonable, but the location is right off the beaten track so we are constantly advertising and promoting.

I would hate anyone on here to think that their £6.50 per hour would suddenly become £25.00 plus per hour because they have their own salon. Clients are very fickle beings, and the costs involved can be hideous!!!

Vicki x

I completely agree, there are so many costs like rates, utilities that are much higher, insurance is higher. We turnover what I would class as a lot but out of that the profit margin is very slim. It's getting better but if I paid my staff anymore we couldn't pay our mortgage (other than paying our bills I don't pay myself yet).

Some may feel ripped off at doing a £40 treatment and getting £6.50 etc but the rest isn't going in the pocket of the salon owner, most will be sustaining the salon x

 

[virtues2011]

Maybe, but the belief on here often seems to be that if you open a salon, the cash will be rolling in and clients will flock to you. I have worked locally for 12 years and most of my clients have followed me, but the cash is definitely not rolling in. In a way I am lucky as my rent is really reasonable, but the location is right off the beaten track so we are constantly advertising and promoting.

I would hate anyone on here to think that their £6.50 per hour would suddenly become £25.00 plus per hour because they have their own salon. Clients are very fickle beings, and the costs involved can be hideous!!!

Vicki x

Yes I understand fully, regardless of how much training you have for application of services it still doesn't stop those that like the sound of their own voice when it comes to saying 'I have my own business' probably though not for very long. I also believe there should be a mandatory course whereby you are taught the fundamentals of business standards, procedures and requirements, take an exam and prove certification before you can open a business rather than using this forum to guess and ask the same daily question of ' I've bought a salon what do I do now'.

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