Capital training, any old Tom/Dick/Harry doing it!

[bert666]

Hi geeks,

Firstly, I hope I don't offend anyone with this but I was just a bit shocked. Anyway, I went to do some training via Capital the other day and there was another girl there who I got talking to and asked her what it was she does (anticipatin a hair/ massage/ nails type response) and she said she didn't so anything like that and she was here because she eventually wanted to do make up for weddings etc etc.

Basically, the reason I was a bit miffed/ shocked is because I thought that Capital was purely for trade customers and people with existing qualifications, not just any old person who wants to make a quick buck applying eyelashes/ doing nails/ spray tanning etc without having the prior background knowledge that you get from college??...

Am I being a bit too finikity about this?!

 

[Glitterbox81]

Hi geeks,

Firstly, I hope I don't offend anyone with this but I was just a bit shocked. Anyway, I went to do some training via Capital the other day and there was another girl there who I got talking to and asked her what it was she does (anticipatin a hair/ massage/ nails type response) and she said she didn't so anything like that and she was here because she eventually wanted to do make up for weddings etc etc.

Basically, the reason I was a bit miffed/ shocked is because I thought that Capital was purely for trade customers and people with existing qualifications, not just any old person who wants to make a quick buck applying eyelashes/ doing nails/ spray tanning etc without having the prior background knowledge that you get from college??...

Am I being a bit too finikity about this?!

I've never been to college. I am doing all my training through courses similar to Capital. I was going to go to college but since I don't want to work in a salon (want to work for myself), a lot of what they covered wasn't of interest to me. I don't want to do facials or massage or manual tanning and the course I was looking at didn't cover spray tanning, Shellac or eyelash extensions so I was looking at having to attend college for 2 years (funding myself as I'm a mature student) and then having to do all the extra courses afterwards too. I couldn't afford to pay for 2 years of college that I didn't need.

don't think it makes me desperate to 'make a quick buck' or 'any old person' I'm very keen to learn the skills I need and to give a professional service I've just chosen a different route.

 

[bert666]

Hi glitterbox81,

Like I said, I didn't want to offend anyone so I'm sorry if I did offend you- I didn't meant for my post to sound like that at all.. I was just a bit shocked that this girl was purely doing the training as a one off to make money without being the slightest bit interested in any part of the beauty industry (if that makes sense?)
It just seemed a bit odd to me that Capital are very funny about making sure they see certificates etc before selling you anything but not so when it comes to doing the courses... I know that sounds odd because of course you won't have a certificate BEFORE you do a course but I just assumed that the courses they run are more an extension to an existing qualification than a basic qual.
Although I did go to college to get my beauty quals, I'm the same as you in that near enough everything I did there I don't want to carry on doing! I find waxing and facials boring but I love, love, love nails and tanning... Hence doing the course at Capital! Anyway, apologies again if I came across as being a 'training snob' (!) I really didn't mean to :wink2:

 

[Jigglyb4ll]

There's lots of threads that have already gone over short courses and all it does is create argumentative posts. I too have been responsible for having a rant.

All I will say is everyone needs to start somewhere.
Those who genuinely want to be good and not just earn an extra buck will go on to be talented and valued amongst us. The others simply won't last.

Don't stress about it x

 

[Carlalouise]

I've worked with people who have done a one / two day course and been horrified with some of the things they've done, they had no idea what a contra-indication was!! Sorry but when you're working with the general public with some of the equipment and products that can cause real damage you should be trained properly with the correct amount of A&P covered.

There are quicker and more cost effective ways of getting the proper qualifications than going to college for two years, you can even choose the modules you want but you still have case studies and you sit the same exam as the college.

Sorry but we are supposed to be professionals, a days course does not make you a professional!!

 

[Geminikelli]

Lol good old crapital

 

[kizzycat]

I wouldnt worry about who is on your course and what their background or intentions are, at the end of the day, all you should be interested in is that you gained what you were looking for out of the course, received the correct and thorough training and came away with your knowledge and certificate. If you are unhappy with the training or information that you received, you should really be taking it up with Capital

 

[Kim Lawless]

Gone are the days when you have to train in all aspects of beauty to specialise in one thing.

On the flip side, I have taught many fully qualified and working therapists who were awful and many absolute beginners why were amazing.

Theory has to be studied either at home or during the course but its the practical that matters in the long run.

 

[lynn amber]

When I went to refresh my waxing skills in may as I had not been doing any for a fue years and was moving to my home salon so would be able to do some facial waxing again ,one day basic waxing ,anyway the was a lady on the course who had never been involved with the beauty industry at all and thought she would be able to get a job in a salon just doing waxing from this one day course ,i had to stop my self from laughing in her face sorry ,think this is the kind of thing you meant :-D

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[jillybob]

Normally courses state an entry requirement to be able to attend, if it was a course for beginners then she's not done anything wrong. It may also be that it is not a recognised/ accredited qualification either as I know some courses for Capital are an attendance only certificate.

 

[Tan Fairy]

All i can say is a few years back i attended these one day course's and there is no way you can gain the confidence or the knowledge just by doing this, i have seen it happen time and time again, not just by myself, but many ladies, they have wasted their money!! I have since trained full time at college and the difference i feel in doing it ( what i call the correct way ) is immense !
You learn so much, it is why our Tutors used to say we are training to be " BEAUTY THERAPIST'S not BEAUTICIANS !! A therapist is when you learn everything the bones, muscles, everything to do with the body and face, so if needed you have the knowledge of explaining treatments to clients and advising them, including everything from nail treatments to spray tanning! Sorry but i have seen both sides of the coin, and boy do i know the difference now! Also in case anyone does not realise if u are a mature student and do not have any qualifications you could possibly get it government funded?:biggrin:

 

[lynn amber]

Normally courses state an entry requirement to be able to attend, if it was a course for beginners then she's not done anything wrong. It may also be that it is not a recognised/ accredited qualification either as I know some courses for Capital are an attendance only certificate.

No one said anyone had done anything wrong !

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[Tan Fairy]

I should have said, the one day course are ok, if you have had professional training previously by a college etc, and understand and have so much more knowledge to understand the new or quicker treatment you wish to learn in a day!:biggrin:

 

[Kim Lawless]

Anyway, apologies again if I came across as being a 'training snob' (!) I really didn't mean to :wink2:

Hardly! You sound lovely so please take this in the way that's it's meant but I don't think you'd be called a training snob by training with Capital. x

 

[HollyGold]

At least she was getting training. There are so many people who watch a few YouTube videos and think they can do it, buy a kit of eBay and off they go.

Everyone has to start somewhere

 

[jillybob]

No one said anyone had done anything wrong !

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I am quite aware of that, but if the course has no entry requirements then you have to expect that people with no qualifications whatsoever can and will attend. If there were entry requirements and the person had manage to attend then yes questions should be asked.

 

[lynn amber]

I am quite aware of that, but if the course has no entry requirements then you have to expect that people with no qualifications whatsoever can and will attend. If there were entry requirements and the person had manage to attend then yes questions should be asked.

Yes I totally except that,my worry was this lady truly thought that she would get a job from that course poor thing ,think you misunderstand what I ment :-D

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[happyfeet]

Hi geeks,

Firstly, I hope I don't offend anyone with this but I was just a bit shocked. Anyway, I went to do some training via Capital the other day and there was another girl there who I got talking to and asked her what it was she does (anticipatin a hair/ massage/ nails type response) and she said she didn't so anything like that and she was here because she eventually wanted to do make up for weddings etc etc.

Capital as I understand are trade only to who they sell too, however I will say this I registered with them the other day, i think i put in my qualification and boom! Got an account and ordered some products, no one checked my certificates, spoke to me or whatever, so I don't think I need to say any more on the matter there. People have to start somewhere, as has already been mentioned, at the very least the lady has decided to seek training and not just gone it alone, as many do. Some of their course are for beginners and some have prerequisites to be able to take a course.

Basically, the reason I was a bit miffed/ shocked is because I thought that Capital was purely for trade customers and people with existing qualifications, not just any old person who wants to make a quick buck applying eyelashes/ doing nails/ spray tanning etc without having the prior background knowledge that you get from college??...

I am someone who has only done one day courses. When CND offered the one day manicure I did that. I've since done other courses, all of which have been one day courses. Now to some degree, yes I do find it pretty concerning that after a few hours you can go off and charge clients. But two things here... 1. all my theory was studied at home and I had to go on and do an online test to pass and if I didn't pass then I wouldn't have been certified. The theory was also covered albeit less in depth, at the actual course itself, but they wanted to free up more time for practical. 2. I am someone who ALWAYS researches, continues to practice on people before, during and after I offer any treatment to the general public and always do a good job, with returning clients. I think a lot depends on the course you are doing. I wouldn't expect for one moment to be able to do a one day massage course and off I go the next day to treat people. Tanning for example only requires a one day course with practice to follow. So each course needs to be taken on merit I think. Sometimes it doesn't matter how long your training lasts you're only as good as the trainer who taught you, how much you put in to it, practice, research AND keeping up with your skills as time goes on.

Am I being a bit too finikity about this?!

IMHO I don't think it begins and ends with an NVQ, but I do think it would be more beneficial if people had case studies to complete to show their competence after the course has been completed and then the certificates are presented. That is my issue with one day courses, and I'm part of the one day brigade, as we're affectionately :wink2: referred to on here. Where I do think one day courses AND insurance companies let this industry down is you are allowed to be insured and practice on people the following day. That's fine for people who continue to research, practice and perfect their skills before, during and after their course before they go anywhere near the general public, but I worry about the ones who don't and just go straight out the next day, and for me that's the crux of the issue is sadly.

Just my thoughts lovey xxx

 

[tiggerlady]

On the flip side, I have taught many fully qualified and working therapists who were awful and many absolute beginners why were amazing.

I think this post from Kim sums it up perfectly...one day courses are available in a lot of therapies, its the person taking it that matters really. Unfortunately,even if the course doesn't require any previous experience, insurers will accept the certificate as competence, its only the clients who will know whether the therapist is any good...
I don't think there's any way round this, as everyone has to start somewhere. You could do an ear piercing course at Capital,and get a trade card which would allow you to buy professional products...not restricted to earrings either!
We have to trust that their trainers are only passing those they think are competent.
On the good side, at least they don't do day courses in microdermabrasion or botox!! :lol:

 

[sjmand]

Think it's the way nowadays I'm a lash trainer and find just as many none therapists who have only done eye treatments doing the course. I find a lot of people having had their hours cut at work or made redundant with this awful recession making a positive from it and completely changing career. Many of them are naturals most of the long timers find it harder to pick the treatment up. when I trained it was 3 years in college or nothing. I try to do a refresher course and learn something new every year. This year my to do list is a biggy. Spmup, special effects make up, and Hollywood with Kim.