'No doubt' sunbeds cause cancer

[jes]

I think it's a pity that reputable tanning salons have been put in the same boat as disreputable ones.

The highest risk of skin cancer it is to people with skin type 1 and/or have been badly burnt in the past. Neither of which would be allowed to use sunbeds in a reputable salon. It's these awful coin operated salons, with no controls that are causing all the trouble!

 

[cabinkel]

I think it's a pity that reputable tanning salons have been put in the same boat as disreputable ones.

The highest risk of skin cancer it is to people with skin type 1 and/or have been badly burnt in the past. Neither of which would be allowed to use sunbeds in a reputable salon. It's these awful coin operated salons, with no controls that are causing all the trouble!

I agree with this, all salons are not bad, I hope! Although I would never encourage clients to use sunbeds! Just as a reminder of how problems arise, a local salon to me has a big sign up in their window saying "unlimited sunbeds for a month, £25" A stream of young girls are in and out all day from there.

 

[pure]

I have to say I have never understood how/why a therapist who is trained and experienced in looking after clients skin, protecting it and helping the client acheive the best, promoting anti aging and skin protection, and then also selling/promoting time on sunbeds. To me it has always been a total contradiction!

Yes, I know that sunbed are occaisionally recommended for specific skin concerns, but lets be honest, salons don't restrict use to those in that category.

Oh and I have to ask - Collin, is your bum hurting from sitting on the fence? :lol::hug:

 

[Violet Star]

I dont agree with sunbeds at all! Not because im a tanning technician but because they are dangerous and so many naive people i have met dont believe the real dangers or simply dont care!

I often feel like saying so you have facials and manicures because you want to look after your nails and your face so why not save your skin??
Every single time someone mentions that they use sunbeds ill admit i do harp on about how dangerous they are etc not because i want business from them just because they are dangerous. It can also damage your appearance causing ageing and moles.

Sunbeds are a high factor in the Essex area and too many people are addicted to them and go on a weekly basis for god knows how many years and as they get older they look so aged!

I had a similar discussion with my sister the other day she was harping on at me about me smoking and that it causes cancer etc yet an hour after this conversation she mentioned how she was going to start using sunbeds before her wedding as she doesnt want a spray tan staining her dress. Its same difference really!

 

[jes]

Does anybody know where we can see the facts and figures as a result of this research and not the press manipulated stuff?

I just can't believe that they only blame UVR from sunbeds for causing cancer and not the UVR from the sun! I don't like this nanny state we live in, where's it going to end, nobody on the beaches, no body allowed out during the day? I read somewhere that there's some cancer charity, or something, calling for all primary school playing areas to be covered from the sun! It's just ludicrous.

I'm not trying to defend sunbeds because, yes UVA can cause skin cancer. However sunbed salons do regulate and control exposure and as I've mentioned earlier, prevent the high at risk from tanning at all!

Every time you are in the daylight your exposed to ultra violet radiation and before somebody mentions sunblock creams, how many people cover all their exposed skin every single time they're outside and reapply it when necessary? and to make it worse how many people know that there's no evidence that sunblock can prevent cancer? It does prevent burning, but it doesn't block the cancer causing UVA. So if sunblock stops burning, it increases the time, considerably, you can spend in the sun, whilst at the same time absorbing the cancer forming UVA. Hmm... maybe it's the recent increase in sunblock use that's caused the rise in skin cancer cases. Please have a read of this Sunblock Does Not Stop Skin Cancer

jes

 

[Chameleon]

I have to say I have never understood how/why a therapist who is trained and experienced in looking after clients skin, protecting it and helping the client acheive the best, promoting anti aging and skin protection, and then also selling/promoting time on sunbeds. To me it has always been a total contradiction!

Yes, I know that sunbed are occaisionally recommended for specific skin concerns, but lets be honest, salons don't restrict use to those in that category.

Oh and I have to ask - Collin, is your bum hurting from sitting on the fence? :lol::hug:

Well said amen to that....and yes Collin get of the friginn' fence so we can massage that lovely bum of yours:hug:

 

[daisyl]

I have to say I have never understood how/why a therapist who is trained and experienced in looking after clients skin, protecting it and helping the client acheive the best, promoting anti aging and skin protection, and then also selling/promoting time on sunbeds. To me it has always been a total contradiction!

Yes, I know that sunbed are occaisionally recommended for specific skin concerns, but lets be honest, salons don't restrict use to those in that category.

Oh and I have to ask - Collin, is your bum hurting from sitting on the fence? :lol::hug:

Well Said - hurray for common sense. X Come on Collin, stop being so damn nice :hug:

 

[collin]

Well Said - hurray for common sense. X Come on Collin, stop being so damn nice :hug:

lol.....its more a case of supporting those in the industry all of whom derive an income from what they do.

My personal viewpoint on the rights and wrongs of exposure to UV is really irrelevant however if they are legally allowed to offer certain treatments and provided there are as many safety precautions and regulations in place what more can be done...other than to constantly monitor,review safety guidelines and educate users against the potential dangers of what they do...like showing those horrible pictures on cigarette packets for example.

Its a case of how far do you take it
1) they sell cigarettes in the shop..
2) they sell alcohol also
3) they sell cars..that kills more people than cancer from sunbeds..especially them pesky smart cars

Does that mean all these places need closing down simply because of personal opinion...what about lap dancing clubs...now there's a whole different story ..where does it end??:hug:

 

[daisyl]

lol.....its more a case of supporting those in the industry all of whom derive an income from what they do.

My personal viewpoint on the rights and wrongs of exposure to UV is really irrelevant however if they are legally allowed to offer certain treatments and provided there are as many safety precautions and regulations in place what more can be done...other than to constantly monitor,review safety guidelines and educate users against the potential dangers of what they do...like showing those horrible pictures on cigarette packets for example.

Its a case of how far do you take it
1) they sell cigarettes in the shop..
2) they sell alcohol also
3) they sell cars..that kills more people than cancer from sunbeds..especially them pesky smart cars

Does that mean all these places need closing down simply because of personal opinion...what about lap dancing clubs...now there's a whole different story ..where does it end??:hug:

Collin

Its not personal opinion, its medical research thus evidence.

Personal opinion, is then what you do about it - choose to ignore, carry on regardless or what you think to be calculated risk. As professionals, we should be advising based on evidence - not personal opinion. X:hug:

 

[Bagpuss]

lol.....its more a case of supporting those in the industry all of whom derive an income from what they do.

My personal viewpoint on the rights and wrongs of exposure to UV is really irrelevant however if they are legally allowed to offer certain treatments and provided there are as many safety precautions and regulations in place what more can be done...other than to constantly monitor,review safety guidelines and educate users against the potential dangers of what they do...like showing those horrible pictures on cigarette packets for example.

Its a case of how far do you take it
1) they sell cigarettes in the shop..
2) they sell alcohol also
3) they sell cars..that kills more people than cancer from sunbeds..especially them pesky smart cars

Does that mean all these places need closing down simply because of personal opinion...

I agree....where are the pics of rotting teeth on sweet packets....and clogged up arteries on McDonald's boxes...and cirrhosis of the liver pics on wine bottles.....?????

WE are responsible for our own actions......there are lots of things that can/could cause illness/death....its OUR choice if we decide to take that risk.

Some people jump out of airplaines....its a risk....but people still make money from it !!

 

[jes]

I've just found this link and it looks to be quoting from the actual report:- Sunbeds And UV Classed As Definitely Cancer-Causing.

As I suspected it's not just sunbeds, as the press lead us to believe but "sunlamps and sunbeds, and UV radiation" that have been classed as a group 1 carcinogenic. This must mean all things that emit UVR, including the sun and I suppose even UV nail lamps as well as sunbeds are included

Even more interestingly the report seems to be based on tests done on mice! Wouldn't it be more informative to do a study of actual human cases?

I'm not denying sunbeds can cause cancer, but I do believe that if people are determined to get a real tan, then a properly ran and regulated sunbed shop is the best option.

Jes

 

[collin]

Collin

Its not personal opinion, its medical research thus evidence.

Personal opinion, is then what you do about it - choose to ignore, carry on regardless or what you think to be calculated risk. As professionals, we should be advising based on evidence - not personal opinion. X:hug:

The problem is that there is so much conflicting evidence..dependant on which side of the fence you are sitting.

There is no doubt though that as a human species we are completely reliant upon exposure to UV..without it were all dead

If you look up Dr Holick on Google or UV Advantage | Dr. Hollick > Home and or read his book....wow does that put a different perspective on things...is this yet another controversial issue???

The problem has arisen from greed...greed from the manufacturers producing ever more powerful machines fueled by the consumer who is demanding it:irked:

Bagpuss is right...we as an industry have to ensure we are providing safe ,meaningful and beneficial treatments to our customers....the consumer to has as much responsibility to act on the side of caution and not go to excess with the treatments that are on offer...look at Micheal Jackson..not only addicted to pain killer drugs but addicted to plastic surgery.....should this practice now be stopped simply because of his excessive behaviour???

Blimey there are consumers that actually use two or three salons to go on the UV beds ...they do this simply because the salon operator will not allow them to expose themselves any longer with them...so they simply go down the road to the other salon and overdose...it is those customers that are being irresponsible and that then complain they look like a tortoise and that they have skin problems

A glass of red wine now and again is great...enjoyable and im told good for you...two bottles a night is going to rot your kidneys and make you beat up your wife ...its all about excess.

From a personal point I love going on a sunbed occasionally during the winter months...not for a tan but for a dose of UV that most certainly makes my tired bones feel so much better..I come out of their happier than when I went in.

Of course I would not dream of using a sunbed every other day....its all about excess and self control :hug:

I also happen to like my toast slightly burnt...that's supposed to be a cancer risk....I still choose to do it but I don't do it to excess...just once in a while works for me:hug:

 

[daisyl]

Toast - cancer risk!!! My god - have to switch to dust from now on!

Michael Jackson - wouldn't know where to start on that one! But I'm guessing his Dr will have an awful lot of xxxxx flying his way ! (just guessing)! And as for his cosmetic surgeons - a great advert for who NOT to go to me thinks.

As a professional, specialising in skin HEALTH - I could never advocate sunbed use (as you know), however, I am not daft enough to realise that people will choose to use them, whatever the evidence. (I'm talking credible evidence), same as smoking - so yes, lets have more legislation, as is needed in the medical aesthetic industry also, I am all for that - does not make it safe though. Tanning will never be safe. So in providing safe, meaningful, beneficial treatments - sunbed use just does not fall into this category.

Its good to have debate. Provides lots of food for thought. X

 

[collin]

Its good to have debate. Provides lots of food for thought. X

Providing its not "burnt" food for thought :lol::lol::lol:

It truly is good to debate things...unless that also is harmfull lol :Grope: