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I hope you will be able to help me on this one.
Having completed a 6day total tech course back in augaust with star nails and after reading some of the threads on here, i am a little concerned about the level of training that i recieved and am wondering if the course was indepth enough for me to be offering my services to the public as a nail tech. I am very confident in the work that i do and rearly have any problems with my work and all my clients are more than happy and rebook frequantly.
My qualifacations consist of, manicure, pedicure, nail enhancements & nail art all done with star nails and i have also done a home study airbrushing course with essential nails in which i gained a distinction.
I have branched out into others fields and have also done a waxing course which was a days training with Hive & have 7 other courses booked in for the coming 3 months, 2 of which are advanced nails. I am hoping to open my own salon within the next 12 months but need some reassurance that my training in both nails and beauty are of a high enough standard to operate as a professional beauty salon. I have a few friends that have done the same courses as myself and own their own salon which seem to operate very succesfully.
I look forward to hearing your views on this subject.
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Juls
 

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julie said:
I am very confident in the work that i do and rarely have any problems with my work and all my clients are more than happy and rebook frequantly.
Hi Julie -
If this is the case (as stated above), I don't understand your concerns??? I have never done a Star course and have heard various opinions over the years and I understand to date that the courses have improved. You obviously feel you are doing a good job and your clients are telling you so by returning time and time again. If you are unsure, why don't you ask an independendant person within the industry to look at your work and give you some pointers - this may help 'tweak' your nail skills to become even better - just a thought...;)
 

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Mrs geek,
Thank you for your reply. Theres not much more i can say to your response as yes i do feel comfortable with my work and my clients are more than happy. Its just intresting to find out peoples opinions on the standards of training that verious companies provide and thoughts of someone opening a salon so soon after qualifing. I've been mobile since november and feel confident and ready to take the next step.
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Mrs geek,
Thank you for your reply. Theres not much more i can say to your response as yes i do feel comfortable with my work and my clients are more than happy. Its just intresting to find out peoples opinions on the standards of training that verious companies provide and thoughts of someone opening a salon so soon after qualifing. I've been mobile since november and feel confident and ready to take the next step.
juls
Then I would trust your instincts and go-fo-it!! :) Still, there's no reason to not continue your LIFELONG education - you say that you are about to embark on some advanced classes so that should be great - just don't forget that when you have your salon and you are inundated with clients :biggrin: that education is still what counts and make sure you are always on the ball within our ever-changing industry!!! Best of Luck Juls!!! ;)
 

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Mrs Geek, Thank you very much for your comments. I feel alot better about the situation now. I do intend to do many more training courses because you can never be to qualified!!!!!

Thanks again.
Juls:)
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Then I would trust your instincts and go-fo-it!! :) Still, there's no reason to not continue your LIFELONG education - you say that you are about to embark on some advanced classes so that should be great - just don't forget that when you have your salon and you are inundated with clients :biggrin: that education is still what counts and make sure you are always on the ball within our ever-changing industry!!! Best of Luck Juls!!! ;)
 

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julie said:

I have branched out into others fields and have also done a waxing course which was a days training with Hive & have 7 other courses booked in for the coming 3 months, 2 of which are advanced nails. I have a few friends that have done the same courses as myself and own their own salon which seem to operate very succesfully.


To me it sounds as if you have done much more training for nails than for beauty. If your beauty traing consists of a series of one day only courses then I'm sorry, but I have to say that I don't think these 'one day beauty courses' are sufficient to qualify you as a professional beauty therapist.

Now maybe I have got what you intend to do all wrong but ...
I know how much time and effort (years) goes into becoming a qualified therapist and it is impossible to learn in any depth on day courses.

For instance, I know of a beauty salon where they claim to do EVERYTHING from waxing to aroma therapy treatments to reflexology and they have supposedly learned it all on day courses in London. Not possible and I for one would not go near them for anything ...

I'm sorry, but I worked closely with someone who did her beauty therapy course over 2 years and the exams she had to pass etc were awesome!! She worked like crazy to graduate top of her class and her knowledge was immense. Are you going to tell me that you can gain that kind of expertise with a 1 day aroma therapy class and a 1 day massage class and a 1 day reflexology class? It makes a nonsense of proper thorough education in my opinion. Can you even obtain insurance with these classes?
 

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You are right i have had more training in nails than in beauty, and i have the same concerns as what you have highlighted. I have checked with the guild and they have confirmed that these courses are ok to get insurance for and i have also checked with my insurance company. I dont intend to do just a one day course in beauty treatments and never get another days training again. It is my intention to go on and further my skills, as i have done and am currently doing with nails. The companies that offer these 1 day courses are Hive of Beauty and Ballitias. My main reason for opening a salon is to do nails and i will introduce the beauty treatments when i feel competent to do so.
The mentioned concerns was my reason for starting this thread.
Many thanks for your reply
Juls
 

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Hi juls

IMO i think that the day courses you are taking you should think of as taster days so to speak and then if you like what you have taken maybe go and do a more indepth course. From what i know of you if a client asked you a question and your 1 day course didnt cover it you would be mortified and totally put off.
The insurance issue is one you should look into. You can do a Specialist diploma at college which will get you insurance and covers manicure, pedicure,facials, waxing, tinting ect.
JMO, HTH
 

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Hi little angle,

That sounds like a good way to approach it i will look into whats on offer @ the college. You are right i would be mortified if someone asked me a question that i couldnt answer & inturn that would put me off big time and doubt my ability.

Thanks Tracey
Juls:)
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Hi juls

IMO i think that the day courses you are taking you should think of as taster days so to speak and then if you like what you have taken maybe go and do a more indepth course. From what i know of you if a client asked you a question and your 1 day course didnt cover it you would be mortified and totally put off.
The insurance issue is one you should look into. You can do a Specialist diploma at college which will get you insurance and covers manicure, pedicure,facials, waxing, tinting ect.
JMO, HTH
 

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Hi there,

If you need some reassurance that your work is up to standard why don't you give Tracey or Janice a ring at Waterside Training acadamy on 01482227775 and they will give impartial non product linked advise....They are only in Hull so it's not far from you.....Hope this helps

Amanda:)
 

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Thank you lily that would be a great help,:) i will do that.

Juls

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Hi there,

If you need some reassurance that your work is up to standard why don't you give Tracey or Janice a ring at Waterside Training acadamy on 01482227775 and they will give impartial non product linked advise....They are only in Hull so it's not far from you.....Hope this helps

Amanda:)
 

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Thank you lily that would be a great help,:) i will do that.

Juls
Hi there,
Also they do NVQ assesments in nails and may even do beauty in the future, if you did this you would then know that you will meet national standards and get good impartial training which is not product based. I did my training with them and have found the information and knowledge I have abtained is invaluable!:cool:
Amanda
p.s They are having an open day today and are doing some demo's.....
 

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This sounds like the sort of route i need to be taking and they are not to far from me so would be ideal.

great stuff:biggrin:
juls
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Hi there,
Also they do NVQ assesments in nails and may even do beauty in the future, if you did this you would then know that you will meet national standards and get good impartial training which is not product based. I did my training with them and have found the information and knowledge I have abtained is invaluable!:cool:
Amanda
p.s They are having an open day today and are doing some demo's.....
 

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There is a thread on the Babtac forum at the moment where someone is talking about taking a distance learning course in Beauty therapy - and i have real doubts about how realistic that is. Day courses are not good either (in my opinion), unless they are just an add-on to existing skills.
 

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Hi Julie,
I think you should follow you inner instincts and your,ll never go wrong. Your inner instinct told you you had doubts about you beauty course. I,ve met Tracey there training sounds great. Good luck for the future.
Suexxx
 

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Hi Julie
Having been involved in all sorts of training in nails over the years I think the most important thing to keep in your mind all the time is that you must never stop learning. Gaining a wide range of knowledge from both facts and opinions is invaluable and will give you a depth of understanding and skills that make a great technician.

Taks as many courses in nails as you have the time for (the investment in cash terms will be repaid by happy cliants)

A one day course in any beauty subject can only be a taster and my recommendation would be to concentrate on nails a bit longer before you decide to branch out. With any luck you will be so busy doing nails and loving it that you won't bother and employ a qualified a therapist to do it for you.

Distance learning for a practical skill that involves people can only be restricted to the theory and understanding. You need practical demonstrations and observation and support while you practice.

Take the advise of earlier and gain a formal qualification which I am sure will boost your confidence even if it is just an experienced technician saying "That's great".

Enjoy nails and get better and better!
Marian
 

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Hey Julie,

I'm a mobile Nailtech and I'm currently studying Beauty Therapy - it's a two year course and enables me to qualify to Cidesco (I think that's right!!) standards at the end of the two years. Just as a pointer - so far I have covered manicure, pedicure, waxing (all parts of the body!!) and tinting (lash & brow). We spent three weeks clear on manicure, two for pedicure and we seem like we've been waxing for months!!! But a huge hunk of that time was spent on the background knowledge, the human biology, pathology studies and product knowledge - before we even began practical techniques!

I dont mean to offend anyone here but - Anyone can go on a one day course and be shown - 'how to wax' or even 'how to apply artificial nails' but that doesn't mean you can do them anywhere near properly, let alone professionally at the end. It takes months and sometimes, in the case of nails certainly(!), years to get to a professional level. Basically you need to find lots of willing victims to practice on - which is always the hard part! I think of it like learning to drive - you can drive when you pass your test but how long does it really take you to be a confident and, most importantly, safe driver?

However - If you feel confident and are sure you are insured, following all the OH&S precautions and safe working practices then fair enough - but I wouldn't charge professional prices for it - afterall, if I went to a recently-trained Beauty Therapist who had only been on day courses I would no way expect to pay the same prices as I would for some one who had been on the course I am doing - I know how much work goes into it! Why not be upfront with your clients; let them know that you are newly qualified and offer them reduced rates at first - that's what I did until I was confident with nails and I found people really appreciated it - cos they weren't getting ripped off! Most of them said that I did a better job that some of the allegedly 'experienced' techs that they had paid twice as much for in the past and they all paid more than I asked - so I was stoked and it boosted my confidence no end!

Just an idea!:green:

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