The Edge Low Odour Acrylics

[CherryBeauty]

Hi - can anyone help please?? I have bought The Edge low odour acrylic liquid and some Edge powder and am having a wee problem with it. How lame is this - I just liked the way it looked on the shelf in the store!!!!!

I have to cure this product under a UV lamp apparently but for some reason the top layer does not seem to be curing properly and when I buff there seems to be a layer like chewing gum coming off. Underneath this the acrylic has a beautifully fine finish that looks brilliant with a UV gel top coat. I'm just worried I'm not doing something properly - do any of you use this product and would you be able to advise me? I have tried swiping with gel cleaner and it helps a little bit but there is still a weird layer that goes all gummy......

Thanks so much!
Sharon :irked:

 

[shedunlop]

Just a guess my darling, are you using the lamp recommended with this product?

 

[Bagpuss]

I am sure i read somewhere on here that what you are experiencing is normal with this kind of acrylic....i'll see if i can find it. x

 

[Bagpuss]

found 1... http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/...out-odorless-monomer.html?highlight=odourless

so it appears its not you.

 

[geeg]

A 'gummy' top layer is a typical feature of these types of low odour products.

BE VERY CAREFUL not to touch it with your fingers or to get the dust on your hands. The gummy layer is uncured and is reactive with your skin and is a real threat to both you and your client if exposed to it frequently. Make sure also that no monomer touches the skin surrounding the nail plate.

I would recommend that you wear gloves always when using this product in order to minimise overexposure and eventual allergic reaction.

 

[CherryBeauty]

Hi - thanks for your comments - very helpful. Excellent point about not touching the product, as I also found that this monomer is quite gloopy (like syrup) and therefore I have to leave the brush in the powder for longer otherwise product goes on too wet and runs.

The good points are that under the gummy layer the product is really lovely, very fine, requires minimum buffing for a great shape, and seems to be quite tough. However - its not easy to apply and frankly that gummy layer is just a pain in the neck.

Thanks guys for all your quick replies,
Sharon. x

 

[geeg]

Hi - thanks for your comments - very helpful. Excellent point about not touching the product, as I also found that this monomer is quite gloopy (like syrup) and therefore I have to leave the brush in the powder for longer otherwise product goes on too wet and runs.

The good points are that under the gummy layer the product is really lovely, very fine, requires minimum buffing for a great shape, and seems to be quite tough. However - its not easy to apply and frankly that gummy layer is just a pain in the neck.

Thanks guys for all your quick replies,
Sharon. x

I prefer a little smell and no gloop and no yellowing!! :green:

Plus the finished product of normal L&P is much prettier, lasts longer IMO and doesn't yellow as easily and with CND ... never.

 

[Zingara]

I prefer a little smell....

Great point Gigi, I wholeheartedly agree!

Smell is our friend in this industry! It lets us know that there are vapours in the air and we need to ventilate more. Low odour isn't low vapour, it's just low-smelling vapour, so we don't actually know when we are breathing it in!

 

[Annie23]

A 'gummy' top layer is a typical feature of these types of low odour products.

BE VERY CAREFUL not to touch it with your fingers or to get the dust on your hands. The gummy layer is uncured and is reactive with your skin and is a real threat to both you and your client if exposed to it frequently. Make sure also that no monomer touches the skin surrounding the nail plate.

I would recommend that you wear gloves always when using this product in order to minimise overexposure and eventual allergic reaction.

Thats really worrying, how many people who use these products are aware of this? I think this is quite irresponsible of the manufacturers and makes me wonder whether there is a warning label on the packaging on how to handle this product safely. Its not like the client can wear gloves!

anne xx

 

[geeg]

Thats really worrying, how many people who use these products are aware of this? I think this is quite irresponsible of the manufacturers and makes me wonder whether there is a warning label on the packaging on how to handle this product safely. Its not like the client can wear gloves!

anne xx

Actually it is pretty well known that low odour monomers are way high on the reactivity table for risk of allergy. So is Gel for that matter, but with gel the dust you create when finishing is cured dust not uncured reactive dust or roll off layer.

Another thing is that gels are a bit more controllable and do not tend to run onto the skin as easily as the monomer in low odour L&P's.

Technicians really do need to be careful when working with low odour monomers and not getting uncured gel on their fingers (or their clients' skin) when wiping off the inhibition layer of gel or rolling off the uncured gummy layer of the L&P's.

First signs of overexposure are itching and a hot tight feeling in your hands ... handling files that are full of unreacted dust is the usual reason .. hence why one should always work with gloves if using this stuff.

Nothing's dangerous if you know the facts and how to use it sensibly. Frankly we need to be careful not to get any nail products on our skin but some have much more potential to cause an eventual allergic reaction than others.

 

[CherryBeauty]

Also I did spend a good 10 mins talking to the girl in the shop I bought the product from and she made no mention of this to me. On the back of the bottle it says 'CAN' be cured under UV light for speed of application. I can tell you that it only hardens IF you use a UV light. I basically had to work out for myself what was going on and got the light out. I have not been impressed.

Thanks for all your comments - I'm considering taking it back to the shop.
Sharon. x

 

[geeg]

Also I did spend a good 10 mins talking to the girl in the shop I bought the product from and she made no mention of this to me. On the back of the bottle it says 'CAN' be cured under UV light for speed of application. I can tell you that it only hardens IF you use a UV light. I basically had to work out for myself what was going on and got the light out. I have not been impressed.

Thanks for all your comments - I'm considering taking it back to the shop.
Sharon. x

Precisely the reason you should not buy or use products you have not had a class with.

Precisely the reason products should not be sold to you without a class to go with it.

Precisely the reason why no one should be allowed to buy products from a shop unless they have trained with it.

I'm not surprised you were not impressed. BUT Why not use products where the company philosophy is not to sell to the untrained? If you were partnered with a company like that, you would not have had to be asking any questions at all.

 

[CherryBeauty]

Hi yes I can understand what you mean abut being partnered up with a product that you have been trained with - that would be absolutely ideal. However - I was trained with a product that I have not been happy with and unfortunately can't afford to pay for lots of different courses to see which one I want to go with. Sometimes the best we can do is just try out sample kits and see how we get on with them, asking questions from helpful industry colleagues like yourself as we go - such a I've done here.

I worked through 3 different gels before deciding on the one I use now which is absolutely fantastic and lasts up to 3 weeks without infills and minimum heat transferral - so I'm doing same now with my acrylics.

Thanks for the info on odour free acrylic - Feeling a lot more knowledgeable now, and better prepared to practice with.

Cheers!

 

[mum]

A few more bits of info on this system:

There are far less vapours in the atmosphere as the liquid is not nearly as volatile as a traditional liquid. It still needs careful handling but this is why it is called 'low odour'. The volatile parts are 'locked' into a much heavier molecule.

A technician usually gets a reaction when they don't understand what this 'roll off' layer is (as Geeg said it is unreacted monomer, like the sticky layer on a gel but with powder mixed in). The typical technician reaction is an itchy palm on the left hand and itchy fore, middle fingers and thumbs (if right handed) This is because the layer drops off the nail into the hand holding the finger and gets stuck in the file.

There is an genuine 'argument' that finishing this system creates less dust as the 'dust' is so heavy. Obviously a good overlay shouldn't need much finishing but could be useful for beginners if they understand the monomer hazards involved.

The bead behaves more like a gel. This is because the liquid is in between a liquid monomer and a gel. The powder is there to give strength to the liquid and if used too wet will run into the skin

If you are familiar with the 'dip' system then think of a very runny gel dipped into a polymer powder and this is close to this type of system