VHunter
Well-Known Member
Let me first say, this is for consideration, and mature DEBATE only.
This is NOT for insult-slinging, judgements, or sarcasm.
Morals are NOT the issue, and should NOT be mentioned.
Those need not apply here and I will report any post I find at risk of provoking an insult-slinging match.
I wouldnt risk cracking jokes either, because someone may take it the wrong way.
I want to hear THOUGHTFUL replies, and if anyone has any research (articles/studies/videos .), to further explain their view or whatnot PLEASE share it.
I have been considering this subject for a few days now.
I have given this MUCH thought, and done a great deal of reading, and researching.
I have been tossing ideas, and the opinions of others back and forth in my mind.
This is an issue that has been brought up on a regular basis here on Salongeek (frequently met with heated arguments, and insult-slinging matches).
I expect a different result this time.
The result I expect is that we all walk away from this debate, whichever side of the coin your opinion might be, with food for thought and new perspective.
My questions to all of you are:
1- How do we contribute towards the Lolita Effect, if in fact we do?
2- Should we be held responsible for contributing to Lolita Effect, at a clients request and should we decline?
These are the only two questions on the table at this time.
Please answer with your reasoning behind it.
PLEASE feel free to contribute other links and/or resources.
Please review the following links BEFORE hitting the reply button.
After some googling of a few key words, OMG I was buried under the onslaught of articles and videos and books. Ive only posted very few below:
Gigi Durham on The Morning Show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA6cvKg1ae0
School Project/Speech Delivered on the The Lolita Effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=450dV11R_ws
The Today Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtJMdXM5oIk
Variety of articles by Psychology professionals and others:
http://www.familycircle.com/teen/parenting/sex-talk/growing-up-too-fast/
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_wsj-kids_today_are_growing.htm
http://www.micheleborba.com/blog/2011/04/12/regaining-childhood-parenting-a-too-fast-too-soon-generation/
http://www.drrobynsilverman.com/body-image/girls-feel-pressure-to-grow-up-too-fast-study-says/
http://www.thestar.com/article/603110
Dove Campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U
Christina Aiguilera I am Beautiful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfyFTzZDMM
Glee television show remake of TLCs Unpretty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-RbPVUzDlU&feature=fvwrel
Now that youve been inundated with articles and videos, heres my take on things.
Why I would suggest that We the Beauticians might have a responsibility:
We are people, first and foremost. We are not unthinking or unfeeling machines, at work.
As much as we say its just a business, at the end of the day, we DO have our own beliefs and feelings.
We are secondly, Strong women. We DO have influence, as strong women.
We ARE Beauticians and actively contribute to societys view of Beauty by the very way we make our living, and by the manner in which we market/sell our services and to whom we sell those services to.
Things that we MIGHT speak up about in daily life:
· If we saw someone beating a dog
· If we saw a bank robbery, and could identify the thieves
· If salon employee stole from the till, wed tell the boss.
· If a friend had a drinking problem, wed try an intervention.
· Share a link on Facebook about a cause
· If a child was being bullied at school, we would ask that there be an anti-bullying program.
· And the list goes on, with regards to the many ways wed feel that we MUST step in and do something, say something.
During our work day, things we MIGHT speak up about:
· Client requested nail enhancements, but had a fungal infection and shredded nail plate, perhaps youd suggest an alternate service and/or that she visit the doctor.
· Client has hair that is severely over-processed, and terribly damaged and shes requesting a permanent; perhaps youd suggest a cut and moisturizing treatments instead.
· Client chooses a hair colour that isnt complimentary to their skin tone, we might suggest something to better suit her
Etc
Every single day, we offer our opinion, and/or speak up.
Yet when confronted with a ummm questionable situation (because for some it is), many often choose the route of its the clients choice and none of our business. Its funny how it wasnt None of our business when she wanted to perm hair that was already waaaaaaaaaaaay over-processed.
Everyone cried out in disgust when a woman was spray-tanning her child. Another incident that outraged society was the woman that gave botox injections to her child. Both preschoolers, if I recall.
Im NOT asking anyone to determine at what age, what service is appropriate. Thats a whole other can of worms.
So, to remind you, my questions are:
3- How do we contribute towards the Lolita Effect, if in fact we do?
4- Should we be held responsible for contributing to Lolita Effect, at a clients request and should we decline?
PRETTY PLEASE, keep it clean folks. Lets play nice during this debate that SHOULD be EDUCATIONAL and INFORMATIVE as is my intent and perhaps enlightening?
This is NOT for insult-slinging, judgements, or sarcasm.
Morals are NOT the issue, and should NOT be mentioned.
Those need not apply here and I will report any post I find at risk of provoking an insult-slinging match.
I wouldnt risk cracking jokes either, because someone may take it the wrong way.
I want to hear THOUGHTFUL replies, and if anyone has any research (articles/studies/videos .), to further explain their view or whatnot PLEASE share it.
I have been considering this subject for a few days now.
I have given this MUCH thought, and done a great deal of reading, and researching.
I have been tossing ideas, and the opinions of others back and forth in my mind.
This is an issue that has been brought up on a regular basis here on Salongeek (frequently met with heated arguments, and insult-slinging matches).
I expect a different result this time.
The result I expect is that we all walk away from this debate, whichever side of the coin your opinion might be, with food for thought and new perspective.
My questions to all of you are:
1- How do we contribute towards the Lolita Effect, if in fact we do?
2- Should we be held responsible for contributing to Lolita Effect, at a clients request and should we decline?
These are the only two questions on the table at this time.
Please answer with your reasoning behind it.
PLEASE feel free to contribute other links and/or resources.
Please review the following links BEFORE hitting the reply button.
After some googling of a few key words, OMG I was buried under the onslaught of articles and videos and books. Ive only posted very few below:
Gigi Durham on The Morning Show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA6cvKg1ae0
School Project/Speech Delivered on the The Lolita Effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=450dV11R_ws
The Today Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtJMdXM5oIk
Variety of articles by Psychology professionals and others:
http://www.familycircle.com/teen/parenting/sex-talk/growing-up-too-fast/
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_wsj-kids_today_are_growing.htm
http://www.micheleborba.com/blog/2011/04/12/regaining-childhood-parenting-a-too-fast-too-soon-generation/
http://www.drrobynsilverman.com/body-image/girls-feel-pressure-to-grow-up-too-fast-study-says/
http://www.thestar.com/article/603110
Dove Campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U
Christina Aiguilera I am Beautiful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfyFTzZDMM
Glee television show remake of TLCs Unpretty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-RbPVUzDlU&feature=fvwrel
Now that youve been inundated with articles and videos, heres my take on things.
Why I would suggest that We the Beauticians might have a responsibility:
We are people, first and foremost. We are not unthinking or unfeeling machines, at work.
As much as we say its just a business, at the end of the day, we DO have our own beliefs and feelings.
We are secondly, Strong women. We DO have influence, as strong women.
We ARE Beauticians and actively contribute to societys view of Beauty by the very way we make our living, and by the manner in which we market/sell our services and to whom we sell those services to.
Things that we MIGHT speak up about in daily life:
· If we saw someone beating a dog
· If we saw a bank robbery, and could identify the thieves
· If salon employee stole from the till, wed tell the boss.
· If a friend had a drinking problem, wed try an intervention.
· Share a link on Facebook about a cause
· If a child was being bullied at school, we would ask that there be an anti-bullying program.
· And the list goes on, with regards to the many ways wed feel that we MUST step in and do something, say something.
During our work day, things we MIGHT speak up about:
· Client requested nail enhancements, but had a fungal infection and shredded nail plate, perhaps youd suggest an alternate service and/or that she visit the doctor.
· Client has hair that is severely over-processed, and terribly damaged and shes requesting a permanent; perhaps youd suggest a cut and moisturizing treatments instead.
· Client chooses a hair colour that isnt complimentary to their skin tone, we might suggest something to better suit her
Etc
Every single day, we offer our opinion, and/or speak up.
Yet when confronted with a ummm questionable situation (because for some it is), many often choose the route of its the clients choice and none of our business. Its funny how it wasnt None of our business when she wanted to perm hair that was already waaaaaaaaaaaay over-processed.
Everyone cried out in disgust when a woman was spray-tanning her child. Another incident that outraged society was the woman that gave botox injections to her child. Both preschoolers, if I recall.
Im NOT asking anyone to determine at what age, what service is appropriate. Thats a whole other can of worms.
So, to remind you, my questions are:
3- How do we contribute towards the Lolita Effect, if in fact we do?
4- Should we be held responsible for contributing to Lolita Effect, at a clients request and should we decline?
PRETTY PLEASE, keep it clean folks. Lets play nice during this debate that SHOULD be EDUCATIONAL and INFORMATIVE as is my intent and perhaps enlightening?