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Interesting, I saw the experiment on fb but diddnt read the write up, I wasn't aware of the knock offs but am glad you've said about them I would probably try them at some point lol, I'm increasingly interested in how the chemistry behind it works, whilst observing a perm today it occurred to me that the neutraliser was re forming the purposefully broken disulphide bonds, and apparantly that's what olaplex does... My thoughts are tho and correct me if I'm wrong here but I thought colour affected the hair everywhere but the disulphide bonds? Thus we don't need to use neutraliser when colouring, so why are we reparing bonds that haven't nessecarily been broken? Or am I getting the wrong end of things here? I thought the chemicals in perm solution were the ones nessecary to break disulphide bonds and the chemicals in neutraliser are the ones that reform? I haven't gotten my head in a text book for quite a while so I could be way off but do u see where I'm coming from?


Kahuna Hair, you are right about the perming process. The processing lotion of a permanent wave reduces (cleaves with Hydrogen) the cystine bond and the neutralizer oxidizes (reforms by removing the Hydrogen) cystine bond. That is not what bond builders do. The cystine bond can be broken with oxidation that occurs during the coloring and lightening process and that is what causes a lot of the damage in these processes. The same thing can be caused in permanent waving and is often called "over neutralizing".

As of for adding perm neutralizer to your color to act like a bond builder, you are already doing basically the same thing as the neutralizer of a perm and the developer of a color or bleach are both oxidizers.

Scott Breed
Director of Education
colorpHlex
 
Thanks Hun, I've been on their website and really can't work out a way to order, created an account tho :)
I'm currently a student will this make a difference with you asking a rep to speak to me ? :/
They're going to be available in the UK soon.. That's what they keep saying. I saw this article come out yesterday by the American Board of Certified Hair Colorists.. It's really interesting. I'd stay away from any Olaplex-like products and hold out for the real thing.

Here's the article below, if anyone's interested:

Olaplex: Knock Offs or Knock Out ?
The debate is over as far as we are concerned!

Just as we indicated in our February newsletter, as predicted, there would be numerous "me too" products coming to market making similar claims to Olaplex. We have now heard of 10 brands worldwide entering the category. It's easy to understand with Olaplex growing to a reported 70,000 salons in the USA in 6 months.

After many of my members emailed and asked my opinion... I decided to obtain samples and conduct my own independent tests to find out the truth and save my members and others from walking into a snake pit. I once had my own doubts about Olaplex. I even expressed the opinion that Olaplex was a rip-off. But after using the product for many months, I know that the chemistry is real and that you can do more as a colorist with Olaplex then without Olaplex. This is good for everyone in the color business.

I took four hair swatches from the same ponytail and bleached them using Blondor and 40 volume for 50 minutes for maximum effect. I followed each manufacturer's instructions precisely. The photograph below is after four shampoos. colorpHlex is on the far left, next is good old fashioned mineral oil, b3 Brazilian Bond Builder is next, and Olaplex on the far right.

I will say that after the first two shampoos, all of the swatches were in pretty good condition and it was difficult to tell the difference. The b3 and the Mineral Oil left the hair most shiny after the first shampoo which made me very curious. But after the fourth shampoo, it was clear that the other products were not holding up and seemed to prove to be nothing more than oil and silicone. They were only temporarily coating the hair thus creating an immediate shine, but unable to build or link broken bonds with any degree of quality. The hair felt dry and fragile. At best, they would be better served to call it an additive for shine. Anything more is a far stretch of the imagination. The Olaplex sample maintained its integrity and was the clear winner. We also performed similar tests on live models and Olaplex was always noticeably and significantly superior. The more compromised the hair was, the more Olaplex outperformed the rest.

What concerns me is that they are making the same claims as Olaplex. They do not achieve what Olaplex does. I was so impressed with the results I had to call Dean Christal himself to ask what Olaplex had that the others do not? He said, "We have a real Chemistry that has multiple patents in the works." It must be so because in my long career I have never seen anything that has worked as well as Olaplex. The rapid growth of Olaplex is also proof that I am not the only one that is seeing the difference. It would be a shame to see a bunch of knock off brands hurt this category that is becoming so important to colorists around the world. These are just my opinions from tests that I have conducted. I encourage everyone to do the same.

Andre.

Agreed with Scott on this one. That test, any many others, are in accurate, as they don't follow each product's mixing and processing intructions. They only mix and process them to that of Olaplex guidelines, and since colorpHlex doesn't have to have an increased volume or processing time, the test hold no scientific value. Poorly done test! Do your own using Olaplex with 50 vol (will process as 40 vol with increased processing time of 10 minutes, as per their instructions), and ColorpHlex and 40 volume (no need to bump developer or increase processing time l, so rinse 10 mins prior to Olaplex for accurate results), and see for yourself!

As I don't degrade Olaplex and its results as I used it prior to my introduction to colorpHlex, and I now use colorpHlex every day in the salon. I encourage any doubter to try colorpHlex it for yourself and disregard copy&pasted false information. Check it out on Instagram with me @stevenrobertsonhair to see for yourself. It's not a knock of, but a competitive product with very competitive (if not more beneficial time saving results!)

Steven Robertson
www.stevenrobertsonhair.com
@stevenrobertsonhair
 
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Hi guys I've been reading up on olaplex and goldwell silk lift serum, I know olaplex isn't currently in the UK and I cannot seem to locate a site that sells goldwell? Can anyone help? Or an alternative to these products?
I'm a bleach a holic and would like to be able to save from the snap!
Thanks I'm advance :)

Get your hands on some ColorpHlex. You won't be disappointed! The haters are just being haters. Look at all my before and afters on Instagram to see credibility for yourself! @stevenrobertsonhair

I'm also very happy to help you along the process in any way :)

Steven Robertson
www.stevenrobertsonhair.com
 
Get your hands on some ColorpHlex. You won't be disappointed! The haters are just being haters. Look at all my before and afters on Instagram to see credibility for yourself! @stevenrobertsonhair

I'm also very happy to help you along the process in any way :)

Steven Robertson
www.stevenrobertsonhair.com
Hi I tested out a sample of colour phlex today on a client whose hair would benefit and yes it did feel really nice after. Didn't charge extra as just want to test product out for now but if you are using it regularly, do you add a surcharge on top or just include it in Your service for those you think need it?
 
Hi I tested out a sample of colour phlex today on a client whose hair would benefit and yes it did feel really nice after. Didn't charge extra as just want to test product out for now but if you are using it regularly, do you add a surcharge on top or just include it in Your service for those you think need it?

Great to hear your success so far!! And thank you really for going beyond all the heresay and testing out colorpHlex for yourself!

At Lunatic Fringe in the states where I work, our upsale for the use of colorpHlex in our service is $20 per 3ml usage, coinciding with colorpHlex mixing ratio with bleach. Having explained prior to the service the bond-building benefits of colorpHlex to prior to the service, it is a very rare experience that a client will not want to receive the additional service for on average of $20-$60 more, depending on the amount of colorpHlex needed. It's a great tool to use to increase your service ticket $$ with ease!

Steven Robertson
www.stevenrobertsonhair.com
@stevenrobertsonhair
 
The problem with this experiment is that the same formula and procedure was used on all the swatches and the manufactures directions were not followed. Olaplex requires an increase in the strength of developer/peroxide of 10 volume and an increase in processing time of 10 minutes. That is why the Olaplex swatch in the photo is clearly darker. I am not sure about B3, but if you want to compare condition to colorpHlex, you would need to use a strength of developer that is 10 volume lower than the Olaplex formula and leave it on 10 minutes less. This is because colorpHlex does not interfere with the lightening process the that Olaplex does.

Scott Breed
Director of Education
colorpHlex
this can be solved by using less Olaplex. The biggest thing to keep in mind is the fact that lighteners have differing levels of lift. Some being 9+ and others being only 5 levels means Olaplex should be adjusted based on the product you are using.

Olaplex itself will not effect tonality in anyway. If you feel you are not getting enough lift and not getting past that "orangey" tone, process longer or cut the amount of Olaplex used in half. This has been used extensively with every single lightener on the market and we want everyone to achieve beautiful results. If 1/8oz (3.75ml) No.1 is not working for 1-2oz (30g-60g) with on-scalp application / balayage, you can cut it down to 1/16oz. (1.875ml) No.1.

The reason lifting can be an issue is mentioned above or not properly following directions. The processing time will not increase, you only need extra time for the application/processing of No2.
Dropbox - phlex.mp4
lets not forget this.
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Doesn't bleach damage the disulphide bonds though? Thats why hair goes stretchy and doesn't bounce back because the bonds aren't strong and don't have elasticity?
Yes it does.When peroxide enters the hair to lighten your natural pigments, it also splits disulfide bonds that give the hair strength and integrity. These pairs turn into single sulfur-hydrogen bonds. If one oxygen molecule created by this peroxide reaction links up with a single, that's a perfect pair. However, as some of these oxygen molecules move in packs of three, they can attach to sulfur-hydrogen bonds and trigger a reaction that eats protein out of the hair leaving it dry and frayed.
 
Hi I tested out a sample of colour phlex today on a client whose hair would benefit and yes it did feel really nice after. Didn't charge extra as just want to test product out for now but if you are using it regularly, do you add a surcharge on top or just include it in Your service for those you think need it?
Colorphlex itself, ingredients are as follows: water, hydrolyzed vegetable protein or PG Propyl Silanetriol which is an artificially modified amino acid from vegetables and film forming compound, and phenoxyethanol which is used as a preservative. No real comparison in regards to chemistry versus Olaplex.
 
Colorphlex itself, ingredients are as follows: water, hydrolyzed vegetable protein or PG Propyl Silanetriol which is an artificially modified amino acid from vegetables and film forming compound, and phenoxyethanol which is used as a preservative. No real comparison in regards to chemistry versus Olaplex.
I wasn't actually comparing, just using a sample I got sent. I can see the two products are v. Different in the way they work and not yet had the opportunity to test out olaplex so can't comment on their performance personally, however I think there is room in the market for a variety of products just like there are many different colour manufacturers with different variations in their range, some products are more effective then others and have different benefits but that doesn't mean new products that come out are all rubbish just cos it's not "the first product' of that type to come on the market.
Nothing wrong with healthy competition, can only make it better for the consumer in the long run with prices etc, look at the supermarket own brands, some of them get better reviews than the original product!
 
I wasn't actually comparing, just using a sample I got sent. I can see the two products are v. Different in the way they work and not yet had the opportunity to test out olaplex so can't comment on their performance personally, however I think there is room in the market for a variety of products just like there are many different colour manufacturers with different variations in their range, some products are more effective then others and have different benefits but that doesn't mean new products that come out are all rubbish just cos it's not "the first product' of that type to come on the market.
Nothing wrong with healthy competition, can only make it better for the consumer in the long run with prices etc, look at the supermarket own brands, some of them get better reviews than the original product!
Olaplex educators and vp's like to interfere with people's conversations quite often, over emphasizing the ground-breakingness of their product. Which it is. We get it. But to the point where if a stylists posts any sort of success story that lies outside of their brand, they make sure to let you know how incorrect that success you just had is because it didn't take place with "their science". #bored I applaud your success with colorpHlex and really any product that gives you success with your clients!
 
Now now, meow....

Ab is merely pointing out the differences, many people are actually under the impression olaplex & colorflex are the same sort of product, their really not so it dosent hurt to point that out :)
 
Now now, meow....

Ab is merely pointing out the differences, many people are actually under the impression olaplex & colorflex are the same sort of product, their really not so it dosent hurt to point that out :)
I understand! And I for sure understand when someone is asking for the differences. However, there are a million comment threads in this very conversation where she could read, and has already read prior to her post, where both colorpHlex and Olaplex have pointed out their differences. Ab absolutely was not "merely pointing out differences". @daydreams01 was not asking the differences. She was stating her success with a product and asking about a possible add-on price. Not the science being either product. Abs response was essentially degrading, ignoring the fact that this stylist indeed had a success, and went on to explain how that could not have been possible.
 
All the phlex wars are getting a bit tedious to read now, if any of the products are as good as manufacturers claim, they will sell themselves anyway without needing to resort to slagging off other companies. I find that a bit unprofessional on a public forum. I can't imagine goldwell and loreal etc doing battle on a website!
I will try them all in time but im just happy to have some new products to use, keeps things interesting!
 
Olaplex educators and vp's like to interfere with people's conversations quite often, over emphasizing the ground-breakingness of their product. Which it is. We get it. But to the point where if a stylists posts any sort of success story that lies outside of their brand, they make sure to let you know how incorrect that success you just had is because it didn't take place with "their science". #bored I applaud your success with colorpHlex and really any product that gives you success with your clients!
Dropbox - phlex.mp4
We only try to inform instead of misinform. Like I said this video says it all. Chemistry doesn't lie. Degrading? How so? There are many side by side comparisons from unbiased stylists that say otherwise. Attacking the way that I provide information, may be a way to defend a product in your eyes, but I choose to only provide facts without bias. Misinformation is not my style to sell a product. I don't have to sell Olaplex, it sells itself.
 
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All the phlex wars are getting a bit tedious to read now, if any of the products are as good as manufacturers claim, they will sell themselves anyway without needing to resort to slagging off other companies. I find that a bit unprofessional on a public forum. I can't imagine goldwell and loreal etc doing battle on a website!
I will try them all in time but im just happy to have some new products to use, keeps things interesting!
To combine them all in one category is not ok. Olaplex is the category and has 8 worldwide patents. 2 have been finalized, with 6 pending. We hoped to inspire more companies to be more innovative but only see a bunch of "me too"s and come out with products that cannot chemically do the same. This is fact. Not opinion. Please read our patents.

U.S. Patent No. 9,144,537
U.S. Patent No. 9,095,518
 
Olaplex educators and vp's like to interfere with people's conversations quite often, over emphasizing the ground-breakingness of their product. Which it is. We get it. But to the point where if a stylists posts any sort of success story that lies outside of their brand, they make sure to let you know how incorrect that success you just had is because it didn't take place with "their science". #bored I applaud your success with colorpHlex and really any product that gives you success with your clients!
bored of science? You do know, that is what this industry is based on. If you are bored, you may not be in the right industry. Science is everything.
 
I understand! And I for sure understand when someone is asking for the differences. However, there are a million comment threads in this very conversation where she could read, and has already read prior to her post, where both colorpHlex and Olaplex have pointed out their differences. Ab absolutely was not "merely pointing out differences". @daydreams01 was not asking the differences. She was stating her success with a product and asking about a possible add-on price. Not the science being either product. Abs response was essentially degrading, ignoring the fact that this stylist indeed had a success, and went on to explain how that could not have been possible.
It was not degrading at all. Was very informative. jesus, that video says it all. Glad I didnt try this on a client yet. I was given a sample by a rep, thankfully, I wont be needing it.
 
What a read this thread will become a short book soon
 
Swarskopf have brought out fibreplex which looks similar.
 
Thanks Hun, I've been on their website and really can't work out a way to order, created an account tho :)
I'm currently a student will this make a difference with you asking a rep to speak to me ? :/
Swarskopf have brought out fibreplex which looks similar.
It isnt. Trust me. maelic acid infringes on the olaplex patent. Dont think theyll be around very long. Also youd have to use it by itself concentrated. and its way too toxic to use alone. when its mixed with other ingredients, it weakens the chemical. thumbs down.
 

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