3d Gel Designs

[LoveNails]

Hello,

Im new here so sorry if this has been posted before, I have searched and regulary browse this site but cant find what Im looking for

I have been doing my own nails for years now, I am self taught.

I have never tried gel before but this is something I would like to get into, I have ordered a cheapish kit which I believe comes with Sure Promise gels, lamp etc.

I know these products may not be 'top' quality but as a beginner I did not want to spend lots if I'm not going to get on with gels. If I really enjoy them then I will certainly purchase better products.

I eventually want to create 3d designs, as nail art is a passion of mine... such as YouTube - Nail art: 2D 3D uv gel nails seashell french nail flower

I have been told a couple of things which I'm not sure of so if anyone can answer my questions I would be most grateful...

1. Has anyone every worked with the Sure Promise gels? If so are they runny or thick as I have been told they can be used to create 3d designs?

2. I have also 'heard' that mixing cleanser with your gel will thicken it?!?! Sounds a bit odd to me...

3. What gels would you recommend for doing 3d designs which are available to purchase from the uk?

Any responses would be greatly appreciated

Thank you

 

[user 25446]

I don't live in the Uk so will leave those questions to others. But some things it may be useful for you to know.

There is a difference between the viscosity (thickness) of different manufacturers 3D gels. Some are only suitable for volume painting and other are very viscous and are good for sculpting. It's possible to sculpt with less viscous 3D gels, but you need to build with layers and keep curing. There are also 4D and 5D gels advertised in some countries - we've not tested these yet and can't say if this is purely marketing hype or the 5D gels are even more viscous than the most viscous 3D gels.

3D gels are fun and it's possible to obtain some very interesting effects when painting, but I think most nail artists will continue to use acrylic for 3D sculpting as it's easier to work and you can obtain sharper edges and more detail.

 

[lissa]

if your really interested in nails and want to excel why don't you bite the bullet and pay for some professional training it seems like a lot of money but it will be worth it ,then you can train with products that are well known within the industry i have never heard of the product your asking about,,

come on get geeky and join the elite instead of the i think i know what im doing clan !!!


ps i just read bac i have a very strange sense of humor it isn't meant in a horrible way!!!

 

[lissa]

this vid is amazing well found !!!

 

[honeycure]

Oh wow thanks for that link!
I was about to put in an order for Gracia's 3D gels, but that company offers more colours AND they come with a brush AND they're in the US! YAYYY!

Anyways to answer your question, no I've personally have never heard of Sure Promise. I don't think mixing cleanser into the gel will make it thicker... if anything it sounds like it would probably ruin the gel making it all streaky. And your third question, regular gels are too runny for 3D designs. The gel used in that video is specifically made to be a lot thicker so it acts like l&p. It looks like that company ships internationally, so if you're curious to try it out I'd say go for that one.

And to BobSweden, I have to disagree with your comment about 3D gels not being able to make sharper edges and more detail compared the l&p. I've used Gracia's Maya 3d Gels, and I've never struggled with any shape

 

[busybee32]

Hello,

Im new here so sorry if this has been posted before, I have searched and regulary browse this site but cant find what Im looking for

I have been doing my own nails for years now, I am self taught.

I have never tried gel before but this is something I would like to get into, I have ordered a cheapish kit which I believe comes with Sure Promise gels, lamp etc.

I know these products may not be 'top' quality but as a beginner I did not want to spend lots if I'm not going to get on with gels. If I really enjoy them then I will certainly purchase better products.

I eventually want to create 3d designs, as nail art is a passion of mine... such as YouTube - Nail art: 2D 3D uv gel nails seashell french nail flower

I have been told a couple of things which I'm not sure of so if anyone can answer my questions I would be most grateful...

1. Has anyone every worked with the Sure Promise gels? If so are they runny or thick as I have been told they can be used to create 3d designs?

2. I have also 'heard' that mixing cleanser with your gel will thicken it?!?! Sounds a bit odd to me...

3. What gels would you recommend for doing 3d designs which are available to purchase from the uk?

Any responses would be greatly appreciated

Thank you

Hi, welcome to geek.
I see that you are self trained, I hope that you are not working on the general public with no training and/or Insurance.
If you are just doing it on yourself then fine no problems but you should be aware that this is a professional forum, and there are many of us on here who have spent thousands on our training and products.
You may find that any questions you have wont get answered fully as you are using products that you haven't had correct training to use.
I dont want you to think im being harsh as I am not
If this industry is something that you really want to get involved in then I would book yourself on a proper training course, That way you will be able to get the most out of your products. There are so many things that can go wrong and you will not be aware of the health and safety aspect of the industry, if you carry on without proper training you could find yourself causing unessesary and unreversible damage to your own nails
Jen

 

[LoveNails]

Thank you everyone for your responses.

I do only practice on myself and would never dream of doing so on public members.

A course is something I have been looking into doing, as it a personal interest this is quite alot of money to spend so I thought I would get some advice from the professionals and try out some products before I invested time and money in a course/better products.

I think I qualify as obsessive compulsive when it comes to hygeine and although I have never suffered with a nail infection/fungus I have learnt from mistakes in the past 7 years!

The D-Gel in the video looks really good in my opinion, it would be interesting to see what you think of it honeycure before I consider getting it shipped to the uk.

 

[NoLimitNails]

It seem like a lot of money yes, but if you don't have proper training or quality products, how would you know if you get on with gels?? The chemistry ect. behind is also different from company to company, and how would you know whether you exposed yourself to uncured gel???

I have a friend who also was self taught, she bought some gel and l&p, very cheap stuff and couldn't understand the problems she had. Not only was she making basic mistakes, but the products I tried them out for her and couldn't believe how crappy they were, and I am not a newbie anymore, I couldn't build a nail with the l&p and the gel was making such heatspikes I could scream, eventhough I used thin layers...

So eventhough self taught is ok with polish, nail art, manicures and such, I believe education is the only way when it comes to enhancements...

I did my CND class just to be able to do my own, and now I'm having my own salon doing what I love...
:hug:

 

[LoveNails]

It seem like a lot of money yes, but if you don't have proper training or quality products, how would you know if you get on with gels?? The chemistry ect. behind is also different from company to company, and how would you know whether you exposed yourself to uncured gel???

I have a friend who also was self taught, she bought some gel and l&p, very cheap stuff and couldn't understand the problems she had. Not only was she making basic mistakes, but the products I tried them out for her and couldn't believe how crappy they were, and I am not a newbie anymore, I couldn't build a nail with the l&p and the gel was making such heatspikes I could scream, eventhough I used thin layers...

So eventhough self taught is ok with polish, nail art, manicures and such, I believe education is the only way when it comes to enhancements...

I did my CND class just to be able to do my own, and now I'm having my own salon doing what I love...
:hug:

Thank you for your comments, I have been looking into this for a couple of months now so am aware of some of the problems I will probably experience and will be taking it very slowly.

A course is something I think I will do at some point this year most likely for nail art as well, but if I decide I hate gels in general when my products arrive then I won't have wasted hundreds of pounds on something which won't benefit me.

 

[yaut]

I've bought NSI 3D gel set recently and been fighting with it since :green:
I find the consistensy of it very difficult to manage (I was complaining about it on the other thread here few days ago).
I've 'butchered' a couple of brushes looking for perfect width and thickness to see if I can get anything out this buy. I'm practising basic leaves/petals at the moment and this is what I get:

I know it's far from perfect but I'll get there!

Look at the picture below. I pulled that strand of gel upright I left it there in the morning. In the evenning it looked the same, nothing changed. I started calling this NSI product 'viagra gel' :green: I'd like it to 'collapse' after say half day or so. I think it would be easier to work with if it had some strentch/movement in it.

I hope the stuff your planning to buy is easier to learn and work with. Let us know.

 

[yaut]

p.s. I'm self taught too. I work with gel and only do my own nails (over two years now). I strongly recommend you to start from good known product because results will be ten times better. At the beginning I tought like you: 'I buy something cheap and see how it goes' and it wasn't going well. Only when I got better product my nails improved dramaticly (mine was NSI Balance Gel starter kit, I think I've seen them on ebay recently and they're selling for very reasonable price). Good luck!

 

[LoveNails]

p.s. I'm self taught too. I work with gel and only do my own nails (over two years now). I strongly recommend you to start from good known product because results will be ten times better. At the beginning I tought like you: 'I buy something cheap and see how it goes' and it wasn't going well. Only when I got better product my nails improved dramaticly (mine was NSI Balance Gel starter kit, I think I've seen them on ebay recently and they're selling for very reasonable price). Good luck!

Wow thanks Yaut... Your petals look very good to me, I know everyone always wants to improve but if I could do that right now I would be very pleased.

The texture seems quite similar to the D-Gel in the video above which I like the look of but I think I will be investing in some better gels, I might just practice on some falsies or something with the ones which come with my kit

Where did you get your NSI 3D Gel from and is that what they call it on the packaging?

 

[yaut]

full name of the product: NSI Balance Color Gel - 3 Dimensional Collection.

There are 8 colors:
3D Red - 9.5g - more magenta than red - disappointment
3D Blue - 9.5g - nice navy blue - I love it, in my pic the lower petals are done using it
3D Yellow - 9.5g - bright intense yellow - I like it
3D Black - 9.5g - crap crap crap very see through, more grey than black
3D White - 9.5g - white is white and it's nice
3D Orange - 9.5g - orange is ok too
3D Purple - 9.5g - very dull, lifeless purple, in the pic see upper petals
3D Green - 9.5g - awful moldy green color that'll make you feel like throwing up.

so overall you get 4 nice colors and 4 of some kind of misunderstanding. colors can be mixed together to create new ones. I think red could be improved by adding some yellow, same with green. I haven't tried it yet. There's no brushes included, so use your imagination there. I cut size 2 filbert brush (cat's tongue shaped) to make it one third smaller and also thinned it out by half (ruined another few this way ghhrrr). And also I was adding a tiny bit of regular color gel into them before attempting to create something. It gives it some stretch that I think this gel is lacking (but I say with time I won't need to be doing this, hopefully).
I've got this set of eBay and it cost me 58 euros including shipping.

Now the worst bit: you CAN'T tap away on it like you see in the video, this gel sticks to everything that comes in contact with it, just like usual gel. most of designs are (more like MUST BE) created using one stroke technique.

p.s. I should read my posts before posting them sometimes. I glanced over my previous post, omg about 100 spelling and grammar mistakes, loooooser me... I'm sorry (not)

 

[LoveNails]

Thanks Yaut, I found this site Home - Nail Systems International (UK) and the prices are really quite reasonable so think I will be ordering some goodies later

Would the red/magenta be nice mixed with a bit of White do you think? Bit dissapointing they don't offer a pink

 

[yaut]

that's a good website, loads of choice etc. but unfortunately it's only for uk residents.
could you tell me please what price are their color gels?

 

[LoveNails]

that's a good website, loads of choice etc. but unfortunately it's only for uk residents.
could you tell me please what price are their color gels?

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I think it says shipping to Ireland is £10 once you have logged in etc, have a little look

Have you ever seen these brushes? Fraulein38 > NAIL ART TOOLS > BRUSHES

I have the 7 piece set and have just ordered the 6 piece set. I also have lots of nail art stuff from them and like it alot, lots of there stuff is available on eBay too!

 

[busybee32]

Sorry girls, as said before this is a professional site and here we do not approve of the use of ebay for buying professional products, you should be supporting your local distributors.
How do you know that the stuff you are buying on ebay is genuine. More often than not the prices are a lot higher than what they actually are from the authorised sources.
I know you are both working on yourselves but we do get a lot of new techs joining and if any of them read this thread it will give them the wrong idea.
Never buy Professional prducts from ebay.
Unless its nail art bts then thats ok, but gels, L&P etc stick to the authorised stockists and distributors.
Jen

 

[yaut]

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I think it says shipping to Ireland is £10 once you have logged in etc, have a little look

Have you ever seen these brushes? Fraulein38 > NAIL ART TOOLS > BRUSHES

I have the 7 piece set and have just ordered the 6 piece set. I also have lots of nail art stuff from them and like it alot, lots of there stuff is available on eBay too!

Fraulein38 never again! I bought few things for nailart from them and it was complete rubbish (all went straight to the bin)! lowest of the lowest quality as it can be, made in china stuff items were shipped over from hong kong, capital of fake goods, I was disgusted
I'm trying to register on irish NSI representative website it says I have to wait 24hours for confirmation, maybe I'll get to see their prices tomorrow.

I usualy buy from us ebay I believe all good I've received so far aren't fakes. I agree with you busybee32 about buying from local supplier and when nails become my business I'll surely do that. But at moment this is only my hobby and 10g jar of gel lasts me for over 10months, so I don't realy think it makes any diffence where I source it from.

 

[loubylou]

OMG, This thread is like reading something from the hobby craft magazine,
please stop discussing your untrained habits on a professional forum and invest your money more wisely in professional training.

 

[honeycure]

Update on Nail Ave (the company that's selling the 3d gel in that video)
Oh man these people are fiiiiiiiishy!
They take ages to respond to me, they don't bother responding to my questions regarding quality, and they refuse to give me the MSDS unless I'm a distributor. That doesn't even make sense.

Like I'm gonna slap on mystery products on my clients without knowing whats in it first! Oh please.