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[jcpark]

A breeder will breed because of the potential profit margin and they have a good blood line in a dog or bitch I haven't said all breeders but breeding in general isn't a good thing IMO.

Now why do you breed on occasions ? It will interest me to know why.

I don't know what sort of breeders you know or in what breed.

I breed when I a) am ready to bring on a new puppy b) have a bitch that is not only talented but also fulfils all the criteria of excellent temperament, excellent health test results and are the type I like. c) have others interested in puppies from my girl as the likelihood of her having a singleton for me to keep is very small. I compete (not show) with my dogs and people who like my girl show interest in a puppy from her, however, they are equally at home as pets only. Therefore, a large majority of homes are known to me, however, not all are and they are vetted very carefully. I turn some away (sadly, they will probably get one from a puppy farmer or byb but they will not get one of MY pups).
It is a huge undertaking to breed a litter well, in both time and money. While I agree with Chazz, I think some of the costs she has listed are conservative, although it will depend on area, particularly for vet fees. I could list them, but I think I may give myself a heart attack.

In a nutshell, I do it because I love my breed and if I have a really good bitch whose genes really benefit the genepool I will breed. However, it is not without a huge amount of guilt and worry too. Dogs (bitches) do not ask or need to be bred and it is not without risk - far more risky than a human pregnancy.

 

[Crystal colleen]

You are getting quite defensive i understand you are just sticking up for your dog. But surley you dont think it is advicable for novice puppy buyers to buy from pre loved. But go to a good breeder not one that breeds 20 times in a year but to a good honest breeder who will do right buy the puppy and owner.

Your were lucky you had done your research but some puppy buyers dont evan know health tests exsist and will unfortunatly buy from puppy farms unknowingly.

and if people keep buying they will continue to mistreat their bitched over breed them abandon them and breed unhealthy pups that could have all sorts of health probs that wont become appaent untill at least 6 months or age.

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I'm getting defensive because a lot of things have been assumed surrounding the mother and father of my pup and my pup without actually knowing all the facts surrounding my situation ie mother and father probably haven't been screened.....they have.
My pup not having health check and xray.......he did due to mother being in labour to early and two pups passing at a bit of a layer stage...I was there when they did it.
Mum wing in season when they got her it being irresponsible ....no the people recurs her that night from a bloke that was mistreating her he literally gave her to them and said if you don't take her I will kill her so they took her rang the police and the local warden she stayed with them that night dogs were apart they ended up getting into the same room and bobs your uncle mum stayed with the couple and they now are allowed to keep her and she is in a wry safe and loving home.it was an accidental pregnancy.

I don't think that I should be being judged when not knowing the facts surrounding the circumstances.

Now you know my story after trying to explain and defend myself over the course of 2 days I think you know all details x

 

[Crystal colleen]

im very sorry to inform you and you may not belive me please feel free to google it but a puppy can not be health tested.
Thay can not be teasted for hip displacia or elbow displacia or eye tested untill 6 months and the earliest. And the risk or causing an evan bigger agument your puppys has had a health check up at the vet. And given an all clear to the best of that vets abillity none of the things listed above will show up untill at least 6 months of age (fact) Im sorry to be so harsh. If you puppy has been propaly tested you will have hip and elbow scores and these shoyld be in the safe range.

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They were xray screened if you read my post I'm not explaining any more read before you reply

 

[jcpark]

Originally Posted by Crystal colleen
They were health checked because two puppies died at a later stage that is why and they paid for all pups to be health checked along with the fact they were born early.

Chazz is right, they cannot be hip and elbow scored as puppies. The minimum age for hip and elbow scoring in the UK is 1 year old.

Health checking is different from health testing. A health check can be done by any vet. Health tests can only be done by specialists - they cannot simply be done at the local surgery, but depending on the test require either a specialist vet (as an example eye testing can only be done by a BVA appointed opthalamic specialist of which there are only around 40 across the UK) or xrays and blood samples sent away for analysis.

 

[Crystal colleen]

I don't know what sort of breeders you know or in what breed.

I breed when I a) am ready to bring on a new puppy b) have a bitch that is not only talented but also fulfils all the criteria of excellent temperament, excellent health test results and are the type I like. c) have others interested in puppies from my girl as the likelihood of her having a singleton for me to keep is very small. I compete (not show) with my dogs and people who like my girl show interest in a puppy from her, however, they are equally at home as pets only. Therefore, a large majority of homes are known to me, however, not all are and they are vetted very carefully. I turn some away (sadly, they will probably get one from a puppy farmer or byb but they will not get one of MY pups).
It is a huge undertaking to breed a litter well, in both time and money. While I agree with Chazz, I think some of the costs she has listed are conservative,
although it will depend on area, particularly for vet fees. I could list them, but I think I may give myself a heart attack.

In a nutshell, I do it because I love my breed and if I have a really good bitch whose genes really benefit the genepool I will breed. However, it is not without a huge amount of guilt and worry too. Dogs (bitches) do not ask or need to be bred and it is not without risk - far more risky than a human pregnancy.

So if you feel bad and regret for doing it and your bitch does not ask to be breed why would you do it I'm confussed

 

[Crystal colleen]

Chazz is right, they cannot be hip and elbow scored as puppies. The minimum age for hip and elbow scoring in the UK is 1 year old.

Health checking is different from health testing. A health check can be done by any vet. Health tests can only be done by specialists - they cannot simply be done at the local surgery, but depending on the test require either a specialist vet (as an example eye testing can only be done by a BVA appointed opthalamic specialist of which there are only around 40 across the UK) or xrays and blood samples sent away for analysis.

Listern my pup and the others where xrayd I'm no liar and certainly wouldn't post something like that that wasn't true there vets is based in a huge place where specialists are readily available also all the equipment needed.I saw it with my own eyes.But then again I'm a liar so it's obviously not true

 

[chazz!!]

Some links new puppy owners may find helpfull or if your looking. It it for labradors but can be used for any puppy.

http://www.labradorforums.co.uk/ftopict-17368.html

http://www.labradorforums.co.uk/ftopict-27456.html

http://www.labradorforums.co.uk/ftopict-79995.html



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[jcpark]

They were xray screened

Xray screened for what?

Sorry, this thread is not intended to be unkind, but as you brought the subject up, we are just trying to point out that the xrays that have been done are not for the required health tests. Puppies cannot be xrayed for hips and elbows. To be honest, I'm at a loss as to why the puppies were xrayed. Thankfully it has never happened to me but it is not unusual to lose a pup or two in a litter. A postmortem would have been more useful, but to xray a whole litter puzzles me, apart from the income it would bring the vet. It certainly wouldn't have been for hips and elbows as it is not possible to do this before 1 year of age, and neither conditions would be life threatening as such (although dogs with severe HD may have to be pts but it usually does not show up till between 6 months and 1year old)

 

[chazz!!]

Listern my pup and the others where xrayd I'm no liar and certainly wouldn't post something like that that wasn't true there vets is based in a huge place where specialists are readily available also all the equipment needed.I saw it with my own eyes.But then again I'm a liar so it's obviously not true

no one called you a liar. Your pup has been x rayed. We are simply saying that your pup has not had all of the correct tests and he is not of the right age and the health problems i mention simply can not be seen at that age (fact) they will not develop untill at lest 6 months of age if they are going to delvelop at all. He made have had the tests but they will come up all clear as any problems will not have develped yet. He is simply too young.

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[jcpark]

Some links new puppy owners may find helpfull or if your looking. It it for labradors but can be used for any puppy.

Labradors FAQ's on buying a Labrador Puppy

Labradors Questions to ask a breeder at FIRST CONTACT

Labradors Do NOT bring pups home at 5-6 weeks old.



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LOL - I saw you were in E Sussex and you mentioned labs so wondered if you knew Di. :biggrin:

 

[chazz!!]

I dont know her personly but she has been very helpfull and her advice is always well respected on the labrador forums

are u a lab owner as well.

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[Crystal colleen]

Xray screened for what?

Sorry, this thread is not intended to be unkind, but as you brought the subject up, we are just trying to point out that the xrays that have been done are not for the required health tests. Puppies cannot be xrayed for hips and elbows. To be honest, I'm at a loss as to why the puppies were xrayed. Thankfully it has never happened to me but it is not unusual to lose a pup or two in a litter. A postmortem would have been more useful, but to xray a whole litter puzzles me, apart from the income it would bring the vet. It certainly wouldn't have been for hips and elbows as it is not possible to do this before 1 year of age, and neither conditions would be life threatening as such (although dogs with severe HD may have to be pts but it usually does not show up till between 6 months and 1year old)

I tell you what I would upload the paperwork but I don't need to prove myself what so ever I know this they where done for other reasons and the health of the puppy's as they stood at that age.I know that hip joint and so on can't be done until older the poin I was trying to make is that my pup from the xray was health and had mo probes due to being born early and what the two other pups had.mum and dad had there hip scores and so on done which I have paperwork which was a lil weight off my mined but obviously I know that the pups may end up with problems hence why I have insurance for £12,000 hence why I carry him I to the car not allowed up the stairs not to walk him for more than 20 min intervals a day because of this joint as he is a large breed dog no fatty snacks no playing after food because of bloat.also the health risks of cancers lung problems maybe breathing problems and so on.There is so much more I could right about my breed but my fingers are hurting now lol

 

[Crystal colleen]

no one called you a liar. Your pup has been x rayed. We are simply saying that your pup has not had all of the correct tests and he is not of the right age and the health problems i mention simply can not be seen at that age (fact) they will not develop untill at lest 6 months of age if they are going to delvelop at all. He made have had the tests but they will come up all clear as any problems will not have develped yet. He is simply too young.

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For god sake read my last post I'm sick of this.

 

[SteffiMc]

Well on a bright note thought I'd post some pics of my big baby and my big bully who we lost to cancer

 

[Crystal colleen]

For god sake read my last post I'm sick of this.

I didn't say my pup had hip scores done anyway.I said he was xrayed to make sure there was nothing wrong as it stood then you don't het chance to explain yourself when your getting questions fired at you before you can answer.

 

[SteffiMc]

The ear muffs were my 5 year olds idea he was not amused. Hes her bezzie mate lol

 

[SteffiMc]

I didn't say my pup had hip scores done anyway.I said he was xrayed to make sure there was nothing wrong as it stood then you don't het chance to explain yourself when your getting questions fired at you before you can answer.

I wouldn't be bothered hun ya love him end of let's see some pics he looks lush!!

 

[chazz!!]

Know one was disputing you ability to look after a dog and im sure you are doing all the right things. We have gone off topic and u have now said you know you dogs havent had the proper tests done. But the parents have so that great. You have done all you can to prevent your dog getting health probs.

But alot of people on pre loved dont do these things to the people reading this do your resaerch first. X

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[jcpark]

I dont know her personly but she has been very helpfull and her advice is always well respected on the labrador forums

are u a lab owner as well.

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I am and know Di well.

My labs are on the 'in the dog house' group.

 

[chazz!!]

For god sake read my last post I'm sick of this.

we were writing at the same time so.i.could.not read your last post i have now re posted. Sorry

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