How hard are you prepared to work?

[Sassy Hassy]

Perhaps I should just add that for those members and lurkers of the site that are reading this and are only just thinking about what training to do then don't run a mile thinking you're not welcome here. This site is probably aimed at you more than anyone.

What this thread is getting at is those people that practice nails on the public and have never had any training and never intend to.

This site is not intended as a substitute for training and never will be, what it is there for is to make sure we really understand what was taught in the classroom and also to ensure that some of the outdated practices that some places teach are shown as just that - "nails from the ark"!!!!

 

[deeabell]

I feel slightly sad that I don't belong!

Lets hope that those of us who are currently going through training and saving hard to do further training; practicing on Rubber gloves filled with rice until we can afford to get a nail trainer, asking maybe unqualified questions because we are not yet qualified - who fully intend on getting insurance and will practice hygenically but only on real human beings when we are ready to. Don't get too hard a ride!

This is a wonderful site and invaluable for advce - us newbies can be goodies too!

 

[Sassy Hassy]

I feel slightly sad that I don't belong!

Lets hope that those of us who are currently going through training and saving hard to do further training;

Hun that's why I wrote my post above. You do belong.

So to reiterate again, this thread is not about those who are in the early stage of their training or even just thinking about what training to choose ... it's about those that have never done any training, don't think any training is necessary and never intend to bother with it and just come here for a free ride. After all you're having to scrimp to save for more courses so why shouldn't they?

 

[pearl]

I would never dream of doing anything so specialist without adaquate training. I have been in the industry for 10 years and there is always alot more you can learn.

Lets hope that this opens the eyes of those few who are not trained.

 

[Shaz_bam]

I am newly trained and would never had considered charging for nails with out the training and qualification. It is shocking to think that some people do this and wonder why there is no legislation preventing this practice

 

[extensionten]

I feel slightly sad that I don't belong!

Lets hope that those of us who are currently going through training and saving hard to do further training; practicing on Rubber gloves filled with rice until we can afford to get a nail trainer, asking maybe unqualified questions because we are not yet qualified - who fully intend on getting insurance and will practice hygenically but only on real human beings when we are ready to. Don't get too hard a ride!

This is a wonderful site and invaluable for advce - us newbies can be goodies too!

YOU and others like you who are training and using the site as a learning tool... as I am still in fact.... are NOT the people who upset me and other trained geeks! NOT AT ALL.

EVERYONE is welcome... newbies, lurkers, trained.... everyone apart from anyone who is NEVER intending to train and gain qualifications, using money, time or whatever reason for NOT training really should not be welcome.
Reading peoples profiles and comments as I am, has shown there are plenty of skint techs (me included) who put themselves through training. Most of us have kids or full time jobs. Mortgages, loans and credit cards. We still would NOT dream of taking on 1 client let alone more without proper insurance.
Since last year when I joined the site, I have asked many questions and used the site to help me. I am still really a newbie tech, and feel like I have such a long long way to go... I even wanted to give up this week as it is hard going. But, then I come on here and read and see that a lot of the techs are in the same boat helping and urging each other along....
:hug:

 

[Bagpuss]

When i decided to "have a go" at nails i got some gels from a website and started doing my own...after a while people started asking me to do there nails...sure no probs...and did them...when i started to get problem after problem i decided to log on and find some help...i found this site and read and read and read....only then did i realise that what i was doing was not only wrong but foolish...if i had carried on as i was i would have ruined any chance of a decent reputation for my business before i had even started as i didn't really know a thing.

I then did my training, got insured and it gave me the confidence, respect and peace of mind that i didn't have before.

Lots of people say "i am only going to do my own nails"...rubbish !!!...you get asked by someone and this gives you an ego boost...also someone to practise on...so you do it..then another and another.

This was in Nov 04 and now i am busy all the time, fab reputation and very pleased with myself...lol x
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[pearl]

When i decided to "have a go" at nails i got some gels from a website and started doing my own...after a while people started asking me to do there nails...sure no probs...and did them...when i started to get problem after problem i decided to log on and find some help...i found this site and read and read and read....only then did i realise that what i was doing was not only wrong but foolish...if i had carried on as i was i would have ruined any chance of a decent reputation for my business before i had even started as i didn't really know a thing.

I then did my training, got insured and it gave me the confidence, respect and peace of mind that i didn't have before.

Lots of people say "i am only going to do my own nails"...rubbish !!!...you get asked by someone and this gives you an ego boost...also someone to practise on...so you do it..then another and another.

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I am sure this happens to loads of people, at least you realsised you would gain more from training properly. well done for knowing your own potential and making a go of it.

 

[nailsbydesign]

[quote/] But my point is this: The only replies to this thread will be from the trained professionals, as I'm guessing the cowboys would be to cowardly to reply[/quote]

There have been some people lately who have been on the site who have NOT had any training and I and many other geeks replied to them telling them that this is very risky as -no training, no insurance- and also they risk damaging a clients nails without having proper training be it only family or friend and we have advised them to stop and think just what they are doing.....I am surprised that some of them have not replied to this thread....mind you, maybe they thought long and hard about what we all said to them and have actually decided to go down the training route now

 

[kay welch]

you can read and ask about things as much as you like but you cant beat seeing a true pro showing you and advising you as you work.I love going on training days i always learn something new all the time i cant afford as many as i like but i make sure i get the odd day in a couple of times a year.The trouble with a lot of the techs so called who have never done any training or 2 days on a training course they think they know it all we give them advise that is from me do more training but theyhave no intention of.

 

[pazzy]

Unfortunately this goes on in every profession..

My dad was a time served roofing contractor...did a great job took pride in it and was very popular with the elderly as he looked out for them...but sometimes he was undercut by someone who bought a cheap van put their name on it and charged half the price...and didnt have a bloody clue.
And just like in nails my dad would get called back to repair the damage and mess someone else created.

Untrained people might make a quick buck but they will never last.

Our clients are getting more informed and more educated and most of them know if someone is not trained...its those clients who have never had a nail treatment before I feel sorry for.

 

[Shaz_bam]

I am new to this site and until today have not posted at all - It was a confidence issue - When i read that " lurkers" could be the people who are untrained I did feel that this may not be a fair comment - it may be that they do not have the confidence to post. I worry that by tarring people with the same brush you could be putting people off posting.

 

[extensionten]

No, we are only talking about people who are NOT prepared to train before performing services on the public, coming on to geek site and asking qualified techs questions they want answering so they can go back and continue to perform manis/enhancements whilst being untrained and uninsured. Why should we? Not because we think "hey, I spent x,y,z on training so they can too.... " more to do with the fact that they don't know what they are doing! and until they have a peice of paper stating the fact that they have gone through training with a professional and another showing some insurance bought and paid for then they have no right to ask questions about greenies, what to charge (now, not once qualified) for breakages, how to do smile lines.... etc etc etc.
Lurkers i.e. people like you were are as you say looking, reading and wondering what and how to post most probably. As long as you are researching and NOT working on the public then go ahead and ask away, search the forums.... that is what it is there for.

By the way.... WELCOME to the geek site. Glad you posted - you will now be addicted!!!! xx :hug:

 

[Sassy Hassy]

I am new to this site and until today have not posted at all - It was a confidence issue - When i read that " lurkers" could be the people who are untrained I did feel that this may not be a fair comment - it may be that they do not have the confidence to post. I worry that by tarring people with the same brush you could be putting people off posting.

Since I am the person who used the word lurkers I cannot emphasise enough what I actually said "Perhaps I should just add that for those members and lurkers of the site that are reading this and are only just thinking about what training to do then don't run a mile thinking you're not welcome here. This site is probably aimed at you more than anyone."

As you can see I was actually encouraging people to post, I wish more people who are beginning their training would post as it will give them greater confidence in their career. We all had to start somewhere after all.

 

[clara doon]

I too like many geeks on here wouldn't have started working on clients without the right training and insurance, but i guess in any field you get people that don't think the rules apply to them, they think its easy and a quick way to make a buck. It's a shame because with the right training they too might be great techs .. without this they won't. 'If you pay peanuts you get monkeys !!' is one of my dad's favourite sayings.

When I first joined this sight it wasn't to pick more experienced geeks brains, it was a love of my job that brought me here and you have inspired me to learn more. I think working from home you miss not being able to 'bounce' ideas from other techs. This sight gives me this contact xx . I hope in years to come I can share my knowledge with others.

Like many of you have said I'm proud of the training i have had so far, and will continue to learn.

 

[keron]

I'm not qualified tho I practice on friends and relatives for whom are happy with the fact that I dont have insurance or any qualifications. Afterall practice makes perfect!!! as long as the person is happy with the fact that your not qualified then I dont see what the problem is. I charge them a small fee just to cover the costs of my materials and I mean a small fee. I've not encountered any complaints from family or close friends regarding my work..yet!!! As in any job...yes there is training for which I am only to happy to do, providing I can afford the training at the time. Also you must be aware that you can also train yourself to a certain standard which will allow you to practise on friends and family if there happy to let you...like I do. I would not go out into the general public and offer my services whilst i'm not qualified or have no insurance cover. I love doing nails and I'm not in it to make a quick buck...I get a feel of great satisfaction when my friends and family say...you've done a fantastic job.

As I am now in a financial postion to train...that is what I will be doing at the end of this month. I apologies if I sound harsh....just getting my point of view across.

 

[Sassy Hassy]

Keron not harsh at all, and good on you for speaking out. However, you have started off with a hobby and realised that to take it further that you will need training and are prepared to do it (it's those that go to the next step without training that are the real problem). Go for it, you will be amazed at how much your work improves and once you've started you will want to get better and better and can then charge the going rate, and actually earn money from it! good luck hun

 

[geeg]

I'm not qualified tho I practice on friends and relatives for whom are happy with the fact that I dont have insurance or any qualifications. Afterall practice makes perfect!!! as long as the person is happy with the fact that your not qualified then I dont see what the problem is. I charge them a small fee just to cover the costs of my materials and I mean a small fee. I've not encountered any complaints from family or close friends regarding my work..yet!!! As in any job...yes there is training for which I am only to happy to do, providing I can afford the training at the time. Also you must be aware that you can also train yourself to a certain standard which will allow you to practise on friends and family if there happy to let you...like I do. I would not go out into the general public and offer my services whilst i'm not qualified or have no insurance cover. I love doing nails and I'm not in it to make a quick buck...I get a feel of great satisfaction when my friends and family say...you've done a fantastic job.

As I am now in a financial position to train...that is what I will be doing at the end of this month. I apologies if I sound harsh....just getting my point of view across.

There is more to being a nail technician than 'doing' nails. Would you be willing to take a test, right here right now on the site, for all to see (including yourself) just how much you really know about nails?

Practise makes you perfect at nothing if you don't know how to work safely and correctly. Would you be willing for me to examine the nails of your family to see just how good a condition they are in beneath that product you are putting on?

 

[nailsbydesign]

I'm not qualified tho I practice on friends and relatives for whom are happy with the fact that I dont have insurance or any qualifications. Afterall practice makes perfect!!! as long as the person is happy with the fact that your not qualified then I dont see what the problem is. I charge them a small fee just to cover the costs of my materials and I mean a small fee. I've not encountered any complaints from family or close friends regarding my work..yet!!! As in any job...yes there is training for which I am only to happy to do, providing I can afford the training at the time. Also you must be aware that you can also train yourself to a certain standard which will allow you to practise on friends and family if there happy to let you...like I do. I would not go out into the general public and offer my services whilst i'm not qualified or have no insurance cover. I love doing nails and I'm not in it to make a quick buck...I get a feel of great satisfaction when my friends and family say...you've done a fantastic job.

As I am now in a financial postion to train...that is what I will be doing at the end of this month. I apologies if I sound harsh....just getting my point of view across.

Ok, you only work on family and friends and have no formal training or insurance.....so what have you actually been able to teach yourself about..... nail diseases, contra-indications, H&S etc. What happens if you actually damage one of your family or friends nails and they end up with a permanent disfigurement. ...this is easier to do than you think when you dont really know what you are doing....do you really think that if this did happen and they ended up with a medical condition or permanent damage that they wouldnt sue you?????? If god forbid this did happen, how would it leave you feeling could you really live with yourself knowing that you have done this???
Wait until you do start training the you will know what I mean and might be very surprised just how much goes into training to ''do nails'' it isnt just a matter of the application there is far more than that to condsider, the theory is very important too.

 

[naturalnails]

I'm not qualified tho I practice on friends and relatives for whom are happy with the fact that I dont have insurance or any qualifications. Afterall practice makes perfect!!! as long as the person is happy with the fact that your not qualified then I dont see what the problem is. I charge them a small fee just to cover the costs of my materials and I mean a small fee. I've not encountered any complaints from family or close friends regarding my work..yet!!! As in any job...yes there is training for which I am only to happy to do, providing I can afford the training at the time. Also you must be aware that you can also train yourself to a certain standard which will allow you to practise on friends and family if there happy to let you...like I do. I would not go out into the general public and offer my services whilst i'm not qualified or have no insurance cover. I love doing nails and I'm not in it to make a quick buck...I get a feel of great satisfaction when my friends and family say...you've done a fantastic job.

As I am now in a financial postion to train...that is what I will be doing at the end of this month. I apologies if I sound harsh....just getting my point of view across.

Practise only makes perfect, if you are practising perfect techniques - practise makes permanent.

Good on you for realising that you need to train to take yourself to the next level.

I appreciate that those people you are practising on are aware of your untrained, uninsured circumstances but would they be still as sympathetic if you caused some sort of damage to them.

Good luck with your training.

Search on here for loads of things from tutorials, to articles to anything just about LOL - I am sure most of your questions have been asked and answered before but if not then ask away.