Length of enhancements and lifting ???

[ValencianNails]

Does the length of the enhancement affect potential lifting in the cuticle area?
I'm meticulous on my prep and take extra care not to have soft tissue contact.

well... my new client from Saturday has just left having had her thumb nail replaced, she had a head on collision with the washing machine and the tip came right off, which was good as the rest of the enhancement was in place and no damage was done to her nailplate.

however, i noticed a couple of her nails were starting to lift at the cuticle area, I'm putting this down to the length that she has had them, she wouldn't listen to my advice and have a practical length.
(she works in an office and does a lot of typing).

what are your experiences of this?

thanks in advance :hug:
xx

p.s. I forgot to mention... she told me she hadn't used her Solar Oil since I did her nails on Saturday, she's been tapping her nails on the desk and any other available surface, she has also had her nails in her mouth (but wasn't a biter).

 

[petals]

Did the product touch the cuticle? Did u remove cuticle on nail plate, prep etc.... has she tried to prize them off at the cuticle area?

 

[petals]

Did the product touch the cuticle? Did u remove cuticle on nail plate, prep etc.... has she tried to prize them off at the cuticle area?

sorry just saw your prep bit. if she has had her fingers in her mouth chances are she has been assisting the lifting.

 

[ValencianNails]

can the length have anything to do with it?
I'm convinced that's what it is but ofcourse could be totally wrong.
she even asked me if she could have them longer when I saw her tonight, it's as if she's ignoring everything I say to her.

 

[Urban Geek]

If nails are top heavy, ie too long for the length of the nail bed, it will cause added pressure on the enhancement in general.

 

[pussycat]

hi i have one girl who has L&P and she has her nails far too long IMO and has always had really bad lifting no matter how much i prep or how i put the product on but the other week i found out what is causing the monster liftage.... i work with her at a leisure centre and i was watching her on poolside from the office and she was constanly tapping her nails on everything! and cos they're long she's got a habit of flicking her nails (apparently cos it feels funny?!), she sort of quickly pushes the free edge downwards and flicks each nail, so it pushes the matrix area up (kind of, if you get what i mean!) i rang her from the office and shouted at her and told her to stop it and threatened that i would cut her fingers off if she didn't!! i did her rebalance last week and there was hardly any lifting cos she'd been making an effort to stop this flicking thing.

 

[ValencianNails]

ahhhh thank you for that, your answers make perfect sense and she fits all categories of 'naughty client' bless her, lol
xxx

 

[wondernail]

Not sure that the length would be the reason for lifting...

I have mine very long...a good 1cm out from free edge (if that makes sense).. I never have any lifting on them..and I cannot really say I am careful with them..I tap them, knock them..clean the toilet..never had a problem with lifting, despite the length.

Could it be she has a very oily nail plate in conjunction with her flicking and nibbling which is causing the problem.

 

[smiler13334]

I was always taught that half the length of the nail bed is the ideal length but some can go as far as the same length of the nail bed. With the nail being built so it is structually sound and they are looked after along with their re bal appointments all should be fine.

Take care xx

 

[ValencianNails]

I'm thinking that 'looked after' could be a major factor.
thanks guys for all of your replies x

 

[Stacey P]

My friend kept getting lifting on one nail, the others were fine. I couldn't work it out until I caught her with the finger in her mouth just sucking it!! I told her off and she stopped doing it and no more lifting! She was a nail biter so i'd rather she sucked one finger than took the whole lot off with her teeth!!

 

[geeg]

Absolutely ... enhancements that are too long can absolutely be a large contributing factor to lifting at the Eponychium.

Think about it ... the longer the extension, the more pressure is put on the 'anchor' which is zone 3.

Tapping and typing or any other repeated pressure just adds a greater possibility of lifting occurring.

If the client does not agree with your diagnosis of the correct length for her individual lifestyle ... MAKE A NOTE OF IT ON YOUR CRC ... IF SHE HAS PROBLEMS, she can't say you didn't warn her.

 

[nailzoo]

nails have to be sealed and buffed in mega-well before the repeated use of oil, oil lifts acrylic, the finer the oil, the more chance of penetration under the nail bed, longer nails tend to break before they lift at the cuticles, my salon is in KIngs Cross , Sydney, the redlight district, many of the working girls have full length porn-star nails, sure they break em often (when pole dancing, crashing into the floor and throwing their knickers into the audience), but they usually only lift in summer (when they go to the beach and apply suntan oil) , or oil up at the solarium, if a nail lifts, i practically interveiw the client to find out what she's been doing, and by method of deduction and investigation over 22 years ...... I BLAME OIL, unless they are immaculately blended in, prepared & sealed, this has nothing to do with product, i sell cuticle oil also (often to my detriment), as an experiment ask em to lay off the oil between infills (just the once) you will be amazed at what comes back, as far as retail sales go, i offset the sale of cuticle oil by selling them hand cream 3 tubes at a time (one for the car, one for the office(or handbag) and one for home)
..............please try it before bitching back at me
also too much saliva will lift nails also, saliva has the strength to start breaking down food, it will break down the bond between the nail and the acrylic

 

[ValencianNails]

could it be the brand of oil you're using ?

 

[geeg]

nails have to be sealed and buffed in mega-well before the repeated use of oil - I don't agree with you. Nail enhancements all need to be buffed and sealed well all the time. There are no extra precautions that need to be taken other than normal good solid application.

oil lifts acrylic. You can't say this!! SOME oils may aid in SOME products lifting, especially generic products that have out of date bonding systems.


the finer the oil, the more chance of penetration under the nail bed. NO .. the finer the quality of the oil, the better it reptates through the product moisturize and plasticize the product to aid better adhesion due to more flexibility of the product. In any case the oil does not penetrate 'under the bed' (but maybe you meant product). Once a covalent bond has been established between Creative Retention+ and the nail plate ... no amount of SolarOil will break that bond. Remember that other products adhere by a hydrogen bond which is a much weaker bond between the product and the plate.

longer nails tend to break before they lift at the cuticles.
I agree that this is often the case too.

my salon is in KIngs Cross , Sydney, the red light district, many of the working girls have full length porn-star nails, sure they break em often (when pole dancing, crashing into the floor and throwing their knickers into the audience), but they usually only lift in summer (when they go to the beach and apply suntan oil) , or oil up at the solarium, - In this case they will surely be using mineral oils etc rather than botanical light quality oils which is a whole different story.

if a nail lifts, i practically interview the client to find out what she's been doing, and by method of deduction and investigation over 22 years ...... I BLAME OIL, You simply cannot lump all oils together like this in the same category Nailzoo. Sorry, but you need a chemistry lesson son.


unless they are immaculately blended in, prepared & sealed, Here you do have a good point but its not the oil but the bad prep and product application which is exacerbating the problem not the OIL.

this has nothing to do with product, i sell cuticle oil also (often to my detriment), as an experiment ask em to lay off the oil between infills (just the once) you will be amazed at what comes back, as far as retail sales go, i offset the sale of cuticle oil by selling them hand cream 3 tubes at a time (one for the car, one for the office(or handbag) and one for home)
..............please try it before bitching back at me Not meaning to bitch back at you but I do know my chemistry and how my product works and you with respect clearly do not.

also too much saliva will lift nails also, saliva has the strength to start breaking down food, it will break down the bond between the nail and the acrylic

What absolute poppycock!! You do make me laugh. Saliva has the ability to break down starch in food .... nail enhancements are not made with starch and covalent bonds are not broken by saliva but can be broken by the pressure the teeth exert on them!!

 

[louge]

Anybody feel free to correct me if Im wrong but I was once told that if a client has deep c curves and wears long extensions then it is better to make them oval rather than square. (Only thought of this as you mentioned the colision with the washing machine and someone else mentioned the tapping of nails onto hard surfaces).

got to try and explain the theory behind it...If a square tip recieves some sort of trauma, e.g a knock at the end of the tip (tapping excessively)due to its shape, the shock,vibration will travel along the nail to the highest point, the stress area causing it to break/lift in the stress area. Where as if the tip is squoval/oval it will disperse the shoch waves out to the sides of the tip preventing the above.

I hope that makes some sense it was difficult to explain. Probably not the answer you were looking for as you mentioned cuticles but it might be of use.