Primer do you use it yes or no?

[donna'sdelights]

Hi guys

just a question to throw out to you, prompted by another thread. Do you use a primer, I was taught to use one on my course, but when i did my mani and pedi course I asked my tutor about it and she said she doesn't think it's needed.

Now of the four sets I have done in the last 3weeks (including mine) I have forgotten to use it on 1 set the 1st set yet when i did refills on them the lifting wasn't to bad at all. But on 2 of the other 3 sets (cant comment on 1 as i havent seen them since i did them) where i used primer the lifting has been really bad, infact on my set which after a week on i had to file back and re apply (they were awful) I would have been better off soakinng off and starting again.

I am not saying primer is to blame for the lifting at all. I just want to know who uses it who doesnt and why

Thanks
x

 

[suzie49]

Hi, I use NSI Balance Gel, and use the Balance bond that is recommended with it. I dont have a problem with lifting, I havent tried to use it without tho, so dont know if it would make any difference ..x

 

[sparklybits]

Hi guys

just a question to throw out to you, prompted by another thread. Do you use a primer, I was taught to use one on my course, but when i did my mani and pedi course I asked my tutor about it and she said she doesn't think it's needed.

Now of the four sets I have done in the last 3weeks (including mine) I have forgotten to use it on 1 set the 1st set yet when i did refills on them the lifting wasn't to bad at all. But on 2 of the other 3 sets (cant comment on 1 as i havent seen them since i did them) where i used primer the lifting has been really bad, infact on my set which after a week on i had to file back and re apply (they were awful) I would have been better off soakinng off and starting again.

I am not saying primer is to blame for the lifting at all. I just want to know who uses it who doesnt and why

Thanks

Hi honey

I dont use primer as most are acid based.

I use protine bond which acts like double side sticky tape and much kinder to the natural nail and protine based

hope this helps

 

[donna'sdelights]

Hi honey

I dont use primer as most are acid based.

I use protine bond which acts like double side sticky tape and much kinder to the natural nail and protine based

hope this helps

is that what its called hun and where do you get it from ?? i love the sound of double sided sticky tape. oh and way off thread my lights are flickering scary wind and rain out side and im on my tod:cry:

 

[suzie49]

Hi again, just to let you know Balance bond is acid free x

 

[donna'sdelights]

Hi again, just to let you know Balance bond is acid free x

Thanks suzie )

 

[sparklybits]

Hi honey

I dont use primer as most are acid based.

I use protine bond which acts like double side sticky tape and much kinder to the natural nail and protine based

hope this helps

is that what its called hun and where do you get it from ?? i love the sound of double sided sticky tape. oh and way off thread my lights are flickering scary wind and rain out side and im on my tod:cry:[/quote]


HI Donna

I use Protine bond from young Nails give them a wee call and I am sure they will be only to happy to help you out. If you just say to the girls you had a wee chat with me.
:hug:

 

[ValencianNails]

Are you using L+P or gel?

Retention+ is primerless monomer, it creates a keratin bond with the natural nails, no need for primer of any kind.
Brisa has a Bonding liquid which is acid free to use on the natural nail.

Both are by Creative.

hth's

 

[donna'sdelights]

Are you using L+P or gel?

Retention+ is primerless monomer, it creates a keratin bond with the natural nails, no need for primer of any kind.
Brisa has a Bonding liquid to use on the natural nail.

Both are by Creative.

hth's

Hi Sandie

I am using L&P I will actually be calling creative on monday about a conversion course so I will certainly enquire about both products thanks for your input:hug:

 

[Karen Minx]

Hi Sandie

I am using L&P I will actually be calling creative on monday about a conversion course so I will certainly enquire about both products thanks for your input:hug:

Hi Donna just thought i would let you know you cannot do a creative convertion with an EN cert.... you will have to start from scratch with a foundation :hug:

 

[donna'sdelights]

Hi Donna just thought i would let you know you cannot do a creative convertion with an EN cert.... you will have to start from scratch with a foundation :hug:

thanks Karen

Thats a bit pants!! dont see why we should have to start from scratch though doesnt seem very fair (

 

[min11]

Maybe I'm having a blond moment and am misunderstanding but the use of primer varies from system to system and I thought you should always use the primer that is recommended and goes with the system you trained with. Maybe your mani/pedi tutor is familiar with the products you use at the moment but if she advised say for instance an EzFlow trained tech that the primer shouldn't be needed, would that be good advice?

I'm just asking because if I am not sure exactly how to interpret the initial post and replies then maybe Geeks who are say newly trained might think they can swap to a primer not part of their system or even stop using it at all. :hug:

 

[donna'sdelights]

Maybe I'm having a blond moment and am misunderstanding but the use of primer varies from system to system and I thought you should always use the primer that is recommended and goes with the system you trained with. Maybe your mani/pedi tutor is familiar with the products you use at the moment but if she advised say for instance an EzFlow trained tech that the primer shouldn't be needed, would that be good advice?

I'm just asking because if I am not sure exactly how to interpret the initial post and replies then maybe Geeks who are say newly trained might think they can swap to a primer not part of their system or even stop using it at all. :hug:

Well I wouldnt advocate swaping to a different brand than the system you are using as they are chemically compatable but I often dont use one at all and have found that my nails are sometimes better with out.

 

[min11]

Well I wouldnt advocate swaping to a different brand than the system you are using as they are chemically compatable but I often dont use one at all and have found that my nails are sometimes better with out.

I think thats part of my confusion. At no point was I ever told I could elect to not use the primer, if its possible with EzFlow that you can leave that step out thats fine but I didn't know that and thought it was required. Maybe there are some systems where you can decide for yourself if you need it, I'm curious now if EzFlow is one of them.

I suppose thats my point, what applies to one system might not apply to all but your tutor might have had your system on mind. Are you using the Dream range from Essential Nails?

:hug::hug:

 

[donna'sdelights]

I think thats part of my confusion. At no point was I ever told I could elect to not use the primer, if its possible with EzFlow that you can leave that step out thats fine but I didn't know that and thought it was required. Maybe there are some systems where you can decide for yourself if you need it, I'm curious now if EzFlow is one of them.

I suppose thats my point, what applies to one system might not apply to all but your tutor might have had your system on mind. Are you using the Dream range from Essential Nails?

:hug::hug:

yes i use the dream system, I started this thread because i read in another thread someone say they didnt use primer and haven't done for a long time. Thats why i asked, and my tutor wasnt sepcifing a certain brand she doesn't use primer full stop regardless of system.

 

[min11]

yes i use the dream system, I started this thread because i read in another thread someone say they didnt use primer and haven't done for a long time. Thats why i asked, and my tutor wasnt sepcifing a certain brand she doesn't use primer full stop regardless of system.

I know why hun, I was just trying to clear up my own confusion :hug:

 

[Mieke]

I dont use primer unless the system that i work with requires one.
Sometimes you can get lifting aswell when you use too much primer. When you apply your primer the nail should look slightly moist but not wet and dry to a chalky finish. Could be maybe one of the reasons why you get even more lifting with primer then without. dont know if that is of any help

 

[donna'sdelights]

I dont use primer unless the system that i work with requires one.
Sometimes you can get lifting aswell when you use too much primer. When you apply your primer the nail should look slightly moist but not wet and dry to a chalky finish. Could be maybe one of the reasons why you get even more lifting with primer then without. dont know if that is of any help

thanks mieke, cant sa i have paid much attention to how it dries :smack: we look closer next time, but i do always dab on a tissue before applying to nail to get rid of excess. )

 

[geeg]

thanks mieke, cant sa i have paid much attention to how it dries :smack: we look closer next time, but i do always dab on a tissue before applying to nail to get rid of excess. )

There seems to be a bit of confusion in this thread (or there is going to be with all the posts re different things.

For the best results Always use the primer for the brand you are using if it requires it. Do not 'cherry pick' products from different brands.

MY brand (Creative) does not require a primer and it was I who said I have not used primer for 15 years. With Creative I do not need to as it is a primer less brand in fact the first primer less monomer ever to be released 15 years ago!!!

It is misleading information to say that most primers are acid based because that is not true anymore but ... even if it was, there is nothing wrong with acid based primers if it is part of your particular system ...

Acid based primers do not affect the natural nail at all. There is nothing bad about them just as there is nothing bad about acid perms for hair ... but you do need to be careful when using them because the acid content could cause mild burning if it gets onto the skin (it is our job to see that it does not touch the skin by understanding the products we work with. No primer of any type should touch the skin in actual fact).

The only primers that dry to a chalky white ARE ACID primers .. acid free do not.

It should NEVER be be necessary to use 2 coats of any type of primer on anyone.

The reason you probably experienced more lifting on your own nails is because you did your own nails :lol:. Most techs get more lifting on their own nails because of working at awkward angles and with their non dominant hand. Nothing to do with the use of primer.

 

[donna'sdelights]

There seems to be a bit of confusion in this thread (or there is going to be with all the posts re different things.

For the best results Always use the primer for the brand you are using if it requires it. Do not 'cherry pick' products from different brands.

MY brand (Creative) does not require a primer and it was I who said I have not used primer for 15 years. With Creative I do not need to as it is a primer less brand in fact the first primer less monomer ever to be released 15 years ago!!!

It is misleading information to say that most primers are acid based because that is not true anymore but ... even if it was, there is nothing wrong with acid based primers if it is part of your particular system ...

Acid based primers do not affect the natural nail at all. there is nothing bad about them just s there is nothing bad about acid perms for hair ... but you do need to be careful when using them because the acid content could cause mild burning if it gets onto the skin (it is our job to see that it does not touch the skin by understanding the products we work with. No primer of any type should touch the skin in actual fact).

The only primers that dry to a chalky white ARE ACID primers .. acid free do not.

It should NEVER be be necessary to use 2 coats of any type of primer on anyone.

The reason you probably experienced more lifting on your own nails is because you did your own nails :lol:. Most techs get more lifting on their own nails because of working at awkward angles and with their non dominant hand. Nothing to do with the use of primer.

thanks Gigi )