Why am I still getting lifting arrrggghhh please help!

[sandstring]

Hi, I have been doing nails on and off for about 3 years, 7 weeks ago I went self employed above a hairdressers, before I started I did a one to one training day with Young Nails as I was having problems lifting. I am still having problems. I have always used young nails products, as that is what I trained with. Here is what I do...

1, push cuticles back, then using efile gently take shine off nail, dehydrate, check for any areas i missed and go back over with efile. Dehydrate again.

2, glue on tip, apply young nails protein bond primer to all 10 nails. Get monomer and powder ready and just before applying apply another coat of primer.

3, I pick up a largeish size bead, check that all powder has soaked in and apply to inbetween zone 1 and 2, push out to cuticles leaving a1- 2mm gap and stroke the acrylic up over the tip.

4, After all ten nails done I file any bits needed and put on a uv topcoat, followed by cuticle oil.

please any help would b appreciated.

 

[Vetty]

Hi, I have been doing nails on and off for about 3 years, 7 weeks ago I went self employed above a hairdressers, before I started I did a one to one training day with Young Nails as I was having problems lifting. I am still having problems. I have always used young nails products, as that is what I trained with. Here is what I do...

1, push cuticles back, then using efile gently take shine off nail, dehydrate, check for any areas i missed and go back over with efile. Dehydrate again.

I would suspect that your problems lie here...... You say you push cuticles back but do you actually remove the non-living tissue from the nail plates? My prep is to apply a cuticle remover, push back the eponychium (nail fold), use a metal implememt to remove the non-living tissue (cuticle) from the nail plate, rinse the cuticle remover off and then remove shine. As a general rule I don't suffer with lifting very often.

It sounds to me like you could be leaving tissue on the nails which is making a barrier between the product and the nail which is stopping it bonding. Does that make sense?

 

[HeatherDavis]

Just to clarify slightly- Vetty you are right, but DON'T PUSH into the EPONYCHIUM. This is a water tight seal meant to protect your matrix- start halfway down the nail, and then lift and loosen non-living tissue attached to the nail with your pusher, stopping AT the eponychium. Then wipe off excess Cuticle Away, and peel off anything left with your curette. THEN use very pure, fragrance free soap and water to wash the nails.
The curriculum is ever changing isn't it?

 

[HeatherDavis]

Sandstring I am under the impression that Young Nails L&P must be used quite wet- maybe you should call them directly and troubleshoot with them?

 

[sandstring]

yes have called them and spoke to the guy I had the one to one training with, he suggested to apply my bead to zone 1, right next to the cuticle and wipe excess up over tip, Ive tried this to, but have the same problem.

also, when im using the efile, i find this tends to take away any cuticle on the nail plate, if that makes sense.

 

[NoLimitNails]

Oh I wouldn't rely on the e-file to take away all cuticle, not unless I really drilled them down.
70 -80 % of all lifting is down to improper prep, so migth be woth a try? I know young nails teach the use of the magic wand to remove cuticle on the nail, before taking the shine of.
Besides that maybe you are not pressing your product enough? I'm not that familiar with YN products, but I found that when I started really pressing product on to the nail, the lifting went away...
I know how frustrating it is wth this problem, but try changing on procedure at the time, that way you will know if you hit the right spot:green:
God luck hun:hug:

 

[fifitrix]

So you are using just one bead for the entire nail? Could you try using smaller beads maybe? Then when it comes to zone 3 near the eponychium, you are pressing and guiding and therefore getting a better bond with the product and the nail. Just a thought, as I am not familiar with Young Nails products.

 

[Vetty]

Just to clarify slightly- Vetty you are right, but DON'T PUSH into the EPONYCHIUM. This is a water tight seal meant to protect your matrix- start halfway down the nail, and then lift and loosen non-living tissue attached to the nail with your pusher, stopping AT the eponychium. Then wipe off excess Cuticle Away, and peel off anything left with your curette. THEN use very pure, fragrance free soap and water to wash the nails.
The curriculum is ever changing isn't it?

Thanks Heather, I appreciate the information. I'm very rough with my own cuticle area :o, I get a massive amount of cuticle and really overgrown skin so I do push into the eponychium and then get to work with my chisel to tidy my nails up. The amount of cuticle I get off is hideous! Just to clarify though I don't do that on clients to the same degree!!!

And yes, the curriculum is ever changing, and that's what makes this site so awesome cos we get the info gifted to us :hug:

 

[fiona wallace]

If you are using an e-file it is very possible you could have thinned the nailplate out too much - if the nailplate is too thin it will not be strong enough to retain an enhancement, hence the lifting?

 

[Exquisite Touch]

hi ya hun do you do reverse application.
you must remove all the cuticle from the nail plate, treat it as the enemy ...... cuticle (non living tissue not the eponychium) left on the nail plate will cause lifting. Use your curette or magic wand and remove it.

try two beads first bead in Zone 2 swipe in your smile line then use a smaller bead and apply to the cuticle area. You need to push your product into the nail.
If all else fails Young Nails head office, do trouble shooting days which are reasonably priced, Ring head office they are lovely and will do there best to help you any way they can.
Deb x

 

[GTNKRISTI]

I have only been doing nails for about a year and a half now, but i was having alot of trouble with lifting until about 6 months ago, the one thing that i really changed in my prep is this- i use cuticle remover now- i was taught with opi, as thats what they used at school, but then i changed to creative-it changed my life!!! With opi we were taught to perform a "dry manicure", so even when i changed i wasnt using cuticle remover, but after watching the creative prep video i started using the cuticle remover and what a differance!!! just an idea- sometimes its hard to try new things out, but i did and am very happy i did- good luck 2u!!!! :green:

 

[Nail Perfection]

If you are using an e-file it is very possible you could have thinned the nailplate out too much - if the nailplate is too thin it will not be strong enough to retain an enhancement, hence the lifting?

You beat me to it Fiona, that was my initial thought.

 

[sian1979]

i had been having the same problem myself with some clients...but not others, not with young nails products but with what i use. i narrowed it donwn to a few areas of my application which i thought were causing it. i was very used to working in a certain way with one product and then converted to another....which was totally different in terms of how you work with it .....by this i mean how you pick up a bead and mix ratio...it was alot wetter. I am not blaming the products at all for my problems ...i know it is me.....but i just couldnt get to grips with working so wet. If you are working too wet outside the recommended mix ratio can cause lifting.
Whilst investigating into my problems i saw that my zone3 was too thick....this can cause lifting...so now work thinner here, i wasnt letting the primer dry, touching the skin and i wasnt PRESSING the product on to the nail i was placing the bead and then pulling it over the nail straight away not letting it bond to the nail properly.
There are so many things that can cause lifting..... you just have to go through each part of your prep and applaction and eliminate each thing...you will get there eventually.

Thinning out the nail too much with the efile is a possibility but i think unlikely as i have heard that they provide good efile training and have a specially made bit produced for using on the natural nail (may be wrong there but i thought i had read it somewhere), but it is worth you looking at this too to see if you can improve your working in this area too.

 

[sandstring]

Yes its definatley not overuse of the efile, I have been fully trained with this and use the correct bit for the natural nail. Ive decided to take a guinea pig into work with me and do a different technique/prep/application on each nail to try to eliminate the causes. Its so frustrating, and until I get this problem sorted im losing customers. Ill let you know how I get on, so thanks for your tips, ill give them a go.

 

[angel fingers]

after insuficient prep, getting product making contact with the skin is the next biggest cause of lifting.
are you absolutely sure you havent made contact between the skin and the acrylic, it very easily done especially when you are using a wettish mix ratio.

my initial problems with lifting were down to incorrect structure. i was getting the product too thick at the base of the nail and this meant it couldnt flex properly. this caused it to have a see saw like motion when the tips were touched and lever up in the eponichium area causing lift.

 

[sandstring]

yes will check am getting it thin near the cuticle. Would you suggest filing the acrylic close to the cuticle too? if so what kind of file would you use? or would you just buff?

 

[angel fingers]

yes will check am getting it thin near the cuticle. Would you suggest filing the acrylic close to the cuticle too? if so what kind of file would you use? or would you just buff?

i use a 180/240 in that area to make sure its flush with the nail and then a white block and finish with a gel topcoat.
i'm sure you will get there, young nails is a good product and plenty of others are having success with it so you can too.