Acrylic Lifting

[JulesT]

I am wondering if you have ever had this problem with acrylic.
Rough nail slightly
Prep nail bed
Apply primer 1-2 times
Apply acrylic

Then when I start to file I notice that it has already lifted up slighty on the sides and sidewalls of zone 3.
When this happens I generally file that section away. if not blendable then apply primer apply acrylic again file etc..
Does this approach of fixing that issue work...

what do you recomend?
and why does this happen?

Its been really bothering me:irked::cry:

 

[jo-anne]

hi jules, I noticed you didn`t say you remove cuticle, I think your lifting could be down to either down to you not prepin the side walls of the nail by removin all cuticle or you could be touching the side walls with product on application this will cause lifting if coming in contact with the skin. hth:hug:

 

[JulesT]

Does filing and re-applying fix this once the lifting has occured?

 

[angel fingers]

Does filing and re-applying fix this once the lifting has occured?

only if the product is able to bond properly to the nail plate.
the fact that it lifted so fast would probably indicate that the nail plate was not sufficiently cleaned in order for the product to get a good hold.

use your cuticle tool to really thouroughly remove non living tissue from the side walls and around the eponichicium before starting to apply the product and hopefully your problems will dissapear.

there is a very good prep tutorial on the site, go to navigation and select tutorials from the drop down box, i'm sure it will help.

 

[JulesT]

pat and press acrylic more too im sure...

 

[JulesT]

I will look at the tutorial

 

[louiser]

Also what do you mean about 'rough the nail'? How are you doing this? The shine should only be removed, not really causing the nail plate to become rough?

You say two lots of primer? How much are you using? I only ever use primer in very small amounts.

 

[nailzoo]

Jules, how long have you been doing nails?, your profile doesn't say much, it will help us to help you when we know what level you are at....

 

[JulesT]

I have been doing nails for 7 years. I had this problem in the past aprox. for the first year I started or so. I used OPI Comp 3000 for the first 5yrs then switched to creative retention. I tried other products and had this happen. Its alwys made me hesitant to switch to another product. I never had any problems with lifting after the first year I started doing nails. my prep more specifically I push back cuticles, I remove the shine, use a dehydrator,use two light coats of primer.
Thanks for the help I appreciate it!

 

[Xena]

I believe that if you use Retention+ there is no need to use a primer. It is 'build' in. Because CND is ratio sensitive, it can be that you are using it too wet or too dry? I agree with the others too. Do you remove the dust before you dehydrate the nails? You can try after you have removed the shine and the dust to scrubfresh first one hand thouroughly then apply product and then repeat on other hand. I only had one client who keeped lifting after i tried everything and she was the only person i ever used primer on. Hth..

 

[JulesT]

If the lifting happens right after applying acrylic is the acrylic going to stay on after I file the lifting section?

 

[beautynails]

How about a bit more in your profile about you training ect.

 

[hiba]

acrylic needs to be oiled in the first 24 hour to settled on the nails...specially in cold weather if its dry will some times cracked...or maybe u r not filing enough in zone 3...i mean the product is a lil thick in zone 3!!

 

[Bagpuss]

If the lifting happens right after applying acrylic is the acrylic going to stay on after I file the lifting section?

I presume we are talking about L&P here.... Service breakdown would happen pretty soon if you are having lifting so soon after applying the product.

Best to eliminate the problem from the start and i think this means starting with looking at your prep procedure and application techniques.

 

[JulesT]

Yes L&P. I am sorry about my profile I am new to the site and basically internet message boards.

Actually, I started having this problem when I switched from Creative Retention to this new product called 411 acrylic. I am trying to stop this lifting. I really like 411 acrylic because it's easy to form the apex. Also, because of the pink and white color.

I looked at the perfect prep tutorial. I have incorperated most of it into my prep. My prep has not been a issue. How I know this is because I never had any problems with creative retention as far as lifting.

I am assuming my ratio is off. So far I have tried a wetter consistency. Which did not seem to make a difference.

Now im trying a drier consistency. Which the ball reduces by 25% and is slightly gummy.

There is still lifting along the sides which I have been filing and re applying acrylic. Some clients are not as bad as others. I was thinking that I would may have to pat more.

I am weary about results even though I have been filing lifting and reaplying. I feel like a beginner.

I almost want to switch back to creative but I dont want to because I had some problems with pocket lifting.

I am sorry this is long I dont know if its ok...

 

[JulesT]

Sorry I made a msitake,

I have been using a drier consistency, drier than 25% of the ball is reduced and gummy.

 

[littlegrohl]

Yes L&P. I am sorry about my profile I am new to the site and basically internet message boards.

Actually, I started having this problem when I switched from Creative Retention to this new product called 411 acrylic. I am trying to stop this lifting. I really like 411 acrylic because it's easy to form the apex. Also, because of the pink and white color.

I looked at the perfect prep tutorial. I have incorperated most of it into my prep. My prep has not been a issue. How I know this is because I never had any problems with creative retention as far as lifting.

I am assuming my ratio is off. So far I have tried a wetter consistency. Which did not seem to make a difference.

Now im trying a drier consistency. Which the ball reduces by 25% and is slightly gummy.

There is still lifting along the sides which I have been filing and re applying acrylic. Some clients are not as bad as others. I was thinking that I would may have to pat more.

I am weary about results even though I have been filing lifting and reaplying. I feel like a beginner.

I almost want to switch back to creative but I dont want to because I had some problems with pocket lifting.

I am sorry this is long I dont know if its ok...

you have contradicted yourself.. you said it wasnt your prep as you never had trouble with retention lifting and then said you dont want to go back to creative as you suffered pocket lifting.. either way something is happening that you are doing or not doing... not the system you are using...

also i have heard that to much primer will have the reverse effect and cause lifting.. it may be advisable to use a very small amount once..
hth

 

[angel fingers]

are you using the prep products that are appropriate to the 411. perhaps if you are using your creative prep products there is an issue with incompatibilty.

i do know that creatives scrubfresh is a problem with ezflow acrylic, sooo.......?

 

[JulesT]

Yes I use 411's line of prep
I called the manufactor today and got my questions answered.
I have resolved this problem as far as I know of. It turned out to be my ratio. I was using to dry of a consistency. Also I needed it to be thicker around the cuticles. It was to thin before.
I tried this today and so far there has not been as much lifting. Only on 1-2 nails. So its better than all. I have to consenrate on the ratio because retention's ratio is different since it has a built in primer.

I appreciate all the help I have recieved and hopefully this issue has been resolved so I can move on and not be as stressed out!

 

[JulesT]

Why I like 411 is because it is easier to form an apex on the nail. Also, I like it because the colors stay true. Another reason is there is not as much product breakdown. Plus, there is not much pocket lifting. Which is usually created by my clients having there nails to long. So it adds pressure. I have narrowed it down to that.

They normally have there nails long because they cant afford to come in frequently. Right now where I am at it is slowly turning into a recession. The unemployment rate is high. Usually with clients waiting so long to come in over all makes it very difficult to switch to a different product, they come in with broken nails, pocket lifting, peeling from underneath enhancement due to not using gloves when using harsh chemicals.