American gel in a powder .. MMMMMMM!!!!!!

[the nail file]

hi geeks

i hope someone can put me straight on this. i've read the thread on American gel where the client is told that your having gel but it is actually l&p. The thing is i had a new client who was dead set on having nothing other than gel because that is what "she always has" but on setting up and poping her nails into cure, she had never done this before.

The thing that i have found baffling is on my last 2 clients that have requested a soak off the nails have been soaked in acetone but the acrylic has a gel like substance unlike when i soak off the l&p (ezflow) nails that i've done.

Don't know if this makes sense but i have to say both sets of nails had no lifting and had been on some time.

Does anyone have an answer to this or knows what product is likely to being used??


Thanks guys xx

 

[Jeni Giles]

More details please, I couldn't find the thread about American gel, I searched but found nothing....

Backscratchers has a dip system that has been confused as a gel, it is a resin and powder you dip the enhancements in (not entirely a good idea IHO-product overexposure? not to mention the possible sanitation risks that could be caused)

Elegant Glass is another company- their resin is actually called GEL RESIN, but it is still a fiberglass system, requiring a catalyst.

Both types of fiberglass when soaked of in acetone do turn to a gel, different from a "normal" L &P soak off.

Technically both systems are still a type of acrylic, they are a simple monomer that polymerises when activated. Different marketing strategies- such as the Brand XYZ is better for the nail- may have caused the consumer confusion. A well educated technician (like your self) can usually set them straight and maintain them as a client. HTH

 

[the nail file]

Hi Jeni
My mistake the name of the salon was american nails but this is the post

30-03-08, 12:51 AM
Missy_Emerald Offline
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Help please - powder gel??

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Hi I was wondering if anyone can help me. I recently visited a 'american nail' salon, who did a gel set for me.

They used a gel that was powder based and used it with a liquid - does anyone know what this powder and liquid would be??

Anybody know where I can get it from as it was very easy to sculpt with and it is very durable.

Thanks all

It wasn't fibreglass .. i just can't understand the way it soaked off. it was like jelly. Been doing nails for some years now and never come across it before. (which is quite concerning)

 

[Jeni Giles]

HMMMMM... my guess, and I stress it is only a guess, would be that it is a lower end liquid and powder system. Most likely a chain developed product used only by that chain of salons- like Regis has Regis products- some of the "american" nail salon chains have developed their own products.

More than that, I cannot help, just as clueless as you. Fibreglass is the only product I've seen come of jelly like... it almost sounds like a blend of MMA and EMA- durability and ease of sculpting. Sorry

 

[the nail file]

Click on this web site it gives a description of powder gel

W w w . A m e r i c a n N a i l s O n l i n e . c o m

 

[the nail file]

thanks \ Jeni x

 

[Jeni Giles]

microbond- from OPI- it's new I haven't tried or played with it yet, but I think this may be what you are looking for.

Welcome to OPI.com

 

[Runnergal]

Has your client recently moved from America? Because here it is common for the cheapo nail places to claim they are putting gels on, but in fact it is simply l&p, with gel as a top coat. True gels are still kind of rare.

 

[grafxgal]

I have soaked off a few sets that have turned to a jelly like substance from a place over here, a few months later the said company were in the news as having been using mma.

 

[deanosnana]

Has your client recently moved from America? Because here it is common for the cheapo nail places to claim they are putting gels on, but in fact it is simply l&p, with gel as a top coat. True gels are still kind of rare.

I think you hit the nail on the head!

 

[magsham]

Has your client recently moved from America? Because here it is common for the cheapo nail places to claim they are putting gels on, but in fact it is simply l&p, with gel as a top coat. True gels are still kind of rare.

what the nss are calling 'gel' is thick resin dipped in powder. i had a client with this on some time ago and it was crud to get off! And we have an 'American Nails' (nss) so i think it must refer to the shop name, although i could be wrong!!

 

[nailartist]

So I followed the link to American Nails, and gee, their "gel powder" and "gel liquid" sound an awful lot like regular old liquid and powder acrylic. Hmmmm...any guesses as to why?

As for those nails you soaked off that had a gel-like consistancy during soak-off--that's MMA. The stuff takes AGES to soak off, and it gets all rubbery and sticky. A real PITA to remove.

Bottom line: if it's a liquid and powder, it's acrylic. Period.

(of course, if it's a gel, it's also acrylic, but that's for another thread. Heh.)

 

[Nafia]

Hi Jeni
My mistake the name of the salon was american nails but this is the post

30-03-08, 12:51 AM
Missy_Emerald Offline
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bolton
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Help please - powder gel?? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi I was wondering if anyone can help me. I recently visited a 'american nail' salon, who did a gel set for me.

They used a gel that was powder based and used it with a liquid - does anyone know what this powder and liquid would be??

Anybody know where I can get it from as it was very easy to sculpt with and it is very durable.

Thanks all

It wasn't fibreglass .. i just can't understand the way it soaked off. it was like jelly. Been doing nails for some years now and never come across it before. (which is quite concerning)

her is the deal what you have on your hand is a hybrid a cross between a gel and a acrylic it is
not a true gel but because the put the gel under the light with the sealer they think that they are getting a true gel but it's not

 

[Sassy Hassy]

So I followed the link to American Nails, and gee, their "gel powder" and "gel liquid" sound an awful lot like regular old liquid and powder acrylic. Hmmmm...any guesses as to why?

I come across many clients being duped by what I have to say are the typical NSS salons. They know that word has gotten around that gel is supposedly kinder to the natural nail (which we know is not the case). So they prey on the clients' ignorance. "nah you don't want acrylic, have gel it's much better for you ... and only £10 more" Then what do they do? Blow me down with a feather they slap on good old liquid and powder and kid them that it's gel. This is actually fraudulent and against Trading Standards as it is mis selling a product.

Gel is called gel because it is precisely that - a premixed gel. Anything else is liquid and powder, apart from resin dips!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S ALL A CON!

 

[Lellipop]

Click on this web site it gives a description of powder gel

W w w . A m e r i c a n N a i l s O n l i n e . c o m

Well I am sat here laughing having had a quick look on the above site :lol:
Because the so called powder gel write up on what it is and how it is applied is exactly the same as their Acrylic nails write up ......... Strange hey

 

[Doorie]

just to correct something, it CANNOT be microbond, as this OPI gel system is quite old already... and it is a normal gel system that cures with UV. the only different thing is that you don't nec need a brush for all the gels. (plus some chemical contents, etc)

 

[Cathie!]

Babes, you're in Cardiff....big city.....I really think your client has been to the NSS where they say they are doing gel and simply do their general thing, which IMO is sub-standard l/p....I'm guessing also, if you asked her, they used a drill or electric file, ask her next time you see her..

It says it all though, when you found she has never had her nails in a UV lamp before....how on earth could that be a gel application.....and they charge more for it.....

Bring on Dr Phyllis Starkey's Bill and get rid of these places!

 

[Nafia]

Well I am sat here laughing having had a quick look on the above site :lol:
Because the so called powder gel write up on what it is and how it is applied is exactly the same as their Acrylic nails write up ......... Strange hey

according to the standard it has contain a certain amount of gel component's to be called a gel thats why they can do that

 

[nailzoo]

looks like a crock to me, if there is no lamp, it isnt gel.

And most acrylic nails (when soaking off), if they are left long enough, they do turn to jelly, as the acrylic actually softens and expands to a jelly like consistency.

 

[Nafia]

i agree