Beginners mistakes.

[Jaxx]

Oh yes, I have heard the same too. I have a client who lives in the US and she always tells me how quick her nailtech is. On the other hand, she is willing to sit 1,5 hours with me and pays me 4 times more because she is very pleased with her nails after she has been to me. She tells me she goes 2 weeks between infills at home, with me she goes 4 weeks without problems!

I could never do either an infill or a reballance at 30 min, No way! I always mark 1,5 hours for each client (reballance or infill). If I am ready before the time, I'll get time for eating, taking telephones etc... I just hate to rush myself and my clients.

SO my advise is: Don't assume you will do good and beautyful nails in 30 min!

C.

Thanks Cec! That's how long I usually take for infills also. I have to say was a very shocked when I was told 30 minutes!! I suppose it's the old 'quality not quantity' adage that applies...quantity of course being time in this case...

Practice practice on this one for me!!!

 

[Jaxx]

Well that is me told....sorry you think that.
I thought I was being helpful and welcoming.
I will get the hang of this site one of these days..........:lol:

Was anything I said of any help?

Yes of course it was helpful. I do try to watch with the application of zone 3 that it is thinner and I hadn't thought of checking my brush (it's yellowing on the product but only on a couple and I had put it down to daily wear and tear) so I'll check that!

 

[paula j]

my problem is sometimes my balls are too dry or sometimes too wet lol i cant get my acrylic right even now and have thought about something less grief :cry:

 

[littlegrohl]

:green:.. If there is a mistake i have made it!!

One minute i was all.. "By joe I think I've got it".. only to find myself repeating a mistake i thought was history...

while my application is ok.. I am realising that there is alot more to nails then porn star length french! I'm starting to think about balance and lifestyle.. sculpting and blending.. oo'er so many mistakes to be made yet again.. Cant wait!

 

[grafxgal]

30 minutes is not a realistic time for a rebalance...or even an infill. IMO

Usually when we are thinking that the client is getting impatient, she is actually sitting there perfectly happy & calm, loving the fact she is having her nails done and relaxing. Honest!

I do think your post could warrant a thread all on its own lol:lol: but I think you are saying your beginners mistakes are in infills...mainly that you have some discolouration ?
Is this discolouration in the product...or on the natural nail?
If it is in the product then it could be a contamination problem...with your brush possibly? To test just dip your brush in your monomer and then wipe on a pad...if it leaves yellow streaks, you have a contaminated brush. There are plenty threads on here re that and how to store your brush properly.

If the discoloration is on the clients natural nails...then this could be the start of a bacterial infection, and you would need to address your sanitising prodedures. Have a look at the tutorial on here re bacterial infections ..aka greenies.

Regarding shadow lines in your infills....are you applying the product too thick in zone 3 in the initial set of nails?....If you apply the product thinly and flush to the nail in the first place then it should really cut down your file prep in a rebalance/infill.
So if I were you I would also check out the tutorial on application re zone 3 making it disappear, here on site.

Maybe now you have a bit of experience though would be the time to get back to your Educator/trainer and do a 1-2-1- to sort out and tweak these problem areas for you...and boost your confidence.

You have given us a lot of info here on your post re your experience & training, which helped in answering this...but for future questions it is really helpful if that sort of info is also in your profile then you won't need to repeat yourself lol!

Welcome to the site and HTH

Erm, thanks for that...I think. Some of that was very helpful but on the whole you're post has come across a tad arrogant and condescending. I have no intention of repeating the same info post after post, the only reason I didn't keep my post 'to the point' is because it was my first and I thought I would introduce myself as you would when you first come into any group...in a face to face situation, online or otherwise. Thanks for the welcome...I'm off to update my profile like a good little nail geek girl...

Wow....isn't that amazing, I read Izzy's post completely differently, in no way did she come off as even a tad arrogant or condescending to me.

I believe what she was saying was your post would make a good thread with it's own title, so it's easier for other newbies and beginners to find and read.
As to the profile and repeating yourself thing, I read it as sometimes when people are new they tend to repeat themselves in different posts about their education etc , when filling out their profile would save them so much time.

Oh well, just goes to show how differently people read things.

 

[Cec]

Yes. 1.5 hours for me also, whether it takes this long or not....fag break, cup of coffee, sweeping the floor, we all need a break sometimes......30 mins for infills.....something must be mising imo.

But Cathie, do you think you can manage to do a reballance in 30 min. at all? I don't think I could, even if I didn't care about the outcome, because I think I would still use my knowledge and ruin the whole project (doing a reballance in 30 min.) :-D

C.

 

[leah82]

Great thread Cec, I have been doing nails since last September so I am still pretty new at it. My prep seems to take me forever, I am so anal about it and I can almost hear the client think"when is she actually going to enhance my nails" lol.

The other thing is I am paranoid that I do not hurt the client so this in turn extends my rebalance time when filing, that coupled with the prep! My clients are pleased with the end result and I am happy the way my nails are progressing but I annoy myself with these things

This is me take longer than needed I suppose but just have to make sure its right & so really through, checking & double checking as applying product also!! But look good when they're done just wanted get my time down a bit more!! But looking back at my first sets its great to see how far I've come!!

 

[Cathie!]

But Cathie, do you think you can manage to do a reballance in 30 min. at all? I don't think I could, even if I didn't care about the outcome, because I think I would still use my knowledge and ruin the whole project (doing a reballance in 30 min.) :-D

C.

I probably could if I really wanted to, but then I couldn't because I wouldn't want to dimiss my professional integrity

 

[Jaxx]

I do think your post could warrant a thread all on its own lol:lol: but I think you are saying your beginners mistakes are in infills...mainly that you have some discolouration ?

You have given us a lot of info here on your post re your experience & training, which helped in answering this...but for future questions it is really helpful if that sort of info is also in your profile then you won't need to repeat yourself lol!

Welcome to the site and HTH

I would like to apologise to you Izzidoll as I have clearly taken both these comments incorrectly and not in the manner in which they were intended.

And definitely no need to worry about me repeating information about myself in future posts as this first experience of posting on here has put me off posting again!!!

Thanks for the info on your post and sorry again for my incorrect assumption and interpretation,

Jaxx

 

[Bagpuss]

I would like to apologise to you Izzidoll as I have clearly taken both these comments incorrectly and not in the manner in which they were intended.

And definitely no need to worry about me repeating information about myself in future posts as this first experience of posting on here has put me off posting again!!!

Thanks for the info on your post and sorry again for my incorrect assumption and interpretation,

Jaxx

aww Jaxx...i don't understand...if you admit that you took the comments in the wrong way then why has it put you off posting again...?

Please stick around cos i bet you have something fab to add to this site :hug:

 

[izzidoll]

Jaxx...no need to apologise, these things happen on here...although Graphyxgal did get the meanings in my post spot on, but then she has been around a lot longer and kind of knows my style on here. :lol:

You will soon catch on to everyone here too the Good the Bad and the downright Mad!!.......so you should definitely hang around.

This is a great Nail Forum, and has a wealth of information that everyone benefits from....but it is just that a Nail Forum...not life and death...so no need for anyone to fall out.

I hope that is the end of this matter....and we can get back to those impossible 30 minute rebalances, (45 minutes for an infill is my record!!)
and stop hijacking Cec's thread!!!
:hug:

 

[blossom]

Jaxx...no need to apologise, these things happen on here...although Graphyxgal did get the meanings in my post spot on, but then she has been around a lot longer and kind of knows my style on here. :lol:

:hug:

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Izzidoll, we are used to your posts, maybe a newcomer would have read it a bit differently . . . that's what troubles me about forums, they are so open to different interpretations as you can't hear the tone of voice etc.

JAXX stick with us hun, we're a nice bunch, honest, so don't be put off xx


Cec, great thread, reading through, it has brought back how many problems I've struggled with and overcome.

I trained in gel first and even after training in l&p I still couldn't resist trying to apply l&p like you would gel, and it's just such a different technique - when I was practicing my mum used to sit there going "pat, pat, push, push, . . ." lol

 

[hollywoodnails]

Well, i'm still learning (in-between courses as missed the assessment of the last one due to illness) so i'm practising in-between. I'm fining it really really difficult at the moment.

I was using NSI classic L&P, but i had problems with this so i'm now using attraction. It sets so quickly i can't get it into place quickly enough so the acrylic is all bumpy and i end up trying to file it into the right shape and failing miserably!

I was trained using nsi attraction and i had the same problem it is a medium setting acrylic and it would set before i could sort out my smile lines . I got a sample of retention + and used that it was like a dream sets slower and looked so good and smooth Ive never used attraction since hope this helps you Hun

its nothing against nsi I use there gel and other products and love them it was just attraction was a bit too fast for me lol

 

[DaisyPie]

I'm a beginner (only been doing acrylics for 4wks on weekends as part of my Beauty Therapy course) and so far my biggest problem would be filing the cuticles! I end up with gorgeous looking nails and everyone loves the shape, but in the process I end up nicking a couple of cuticles. I even make this mistake when I'm doing acrylics on myself. :o

 

[DaisyPie]

I was using NSI classic L&P, but i had problems with this so i'm now using attraction. It sets so quickly i can't get it into place quickly enough so the acrylic is all bumpy and i end up trying to file it into the right shape and failing miserably!

The college I'm training at using NSI too, and I have found the NSI odor-less SPA liquid to be much easier to work with then the attraction. It takes longer to set so you have plenty of time to work with it. It is used a little different (slightly dryer mix ratio, and after 1min you hold a nail wipe of acetone on the nail for 30sec to help it set) but I find it much easier .

 

[becki x]

The college I'm training at using NSI too, and I have found the NSI odor-less SPA liquid to be much easier to work with then the attraction. It takes longer to set so you have plenty of time to work with it. It is used a little different (slightly dryer mix ratio, and after 1min you hold a nail wipe of acetone on the nail for 30sec to help it set) but I find it much easier .

Hi hun x

This really isn't recomended. You will need to learn (it will come in time) to sculpt with your brush and refine with your abrasive.

Not only does this method pose a risk of over exposure,it will allmost certainly cause product breakdown resulting in problamatic rebalance appointments.

This really isn't professional practise. Check out the tutorials or better still invest in a copy of Nail Class available from Mundo or Sweet squared,this will become your bible and it contains invaluable advise and professional techniques hth's good luck x

 

[DaisyPie]

Hi hun x

This really isn't recomended. You will need to learn (it will come in time) to sculpt with your brush and refine with your abrasive.

Not only does this method pose a risk of over exposure,it will allmost certainly cause product breakdown resulting in problamatic rebalance appointments.

This really isn't professional practise. Check out the tutorials or better still invest in a copy of Nail Class available from Mundo or Sweet squared,this will become your bible and it contains invaluable advise and professional techniques hth's good luck x

Okay thanks I will check out the tutorials
I bought a Miladys Nail Technology book and I had been reading that but it didn't cover as much of the odourless system as I was looking for so I printed out instructions from the nsinails.com website (my teacher doesn't use odourless so she hasn't been much help). The instructions on their website say to hold acetone on the nail for 30sec to prevent "roll off". However I don't use acetone (gives me a headache) so I used a non-acetone polish remover and it did the same job.
I feel a bit silly for doing it this way now, but also a bit annoyed that the NSI website suggests doing it this way

 

[becki x]

Don't feel silly hun,there are very many places/companies/people teaching incorrect/inconsistant education,and tbh hun great education is paramount.

Wether you are using odorless monomer or not is irrelevant hun .

Again for the problems in zone three check out the tutorials for file control,it's all about using a high grit for protection and proper filling technique,it takes time hun so don't worry unduly.

Most courses (especially if you are doing enhamcements as a module) only require competancy to pass,if you want to specialise,or continue your education in enhancements once you have completed your course,there is some amazing education out there to be had hth's x