Berins or Perron Rigot

[angelina221]

I know a lot of people ask which non-strip wax other people prefer and these are the 2 most popular.
I was just wondering how many people have tried both.
People say they love Euroblonde, but have they tried the blue?
People say they love the blue but have they tried the Euroblonde.
I want to know out of the people that have tried both of these waxes, which one you liked best and why?

 

[loubylou]

I have used both,
i prefer the berins out of the two because i get better results all round with the berins,
they were both created by the same person you know,
first came then perron rigot then improvements were asked for and berins was born :hug:

 

[cabinkel]

I used euroblond for a while, and i thought it was a great wax! Clients always said it felt "kinder" iykwim. I went up to London for a workshop with Andy, (axiom) and was introduced to it. Its a fab product.

 

[angelina221]

I have used both,
i prefer the berins out of the two because i get better results all round with the berins,
they were both created by the same person you know,
first came then perron rigot then improvements were asked for and berins was born :hug:

Yes i did know they were created by the same person.
I like the Euroblonde but i actually prefer the Berins blue.
I still prefer the Cristal Ocean from Perron Rigot though for the strip wax.

 

[angelina221]

I used euroblond for a while, and i thought it was a great wax! Clients always said it felt "kinder" iykwim. I went up to London for a workshop with Andy, (axiom) and was introduced to it. Its a fab product.

So have you tried the Berins as well?

 

[cabinkel]

No I havent so cant help with that, sorry. :hug: Can only give my humble opinion on the euroblond. Oh and the jasmine oil, I cant get enough of that, lol!

 

[Jen Smith]

I used PR Euroblond, Crystal Ocean and Escential Rose for a long time before changing to Berins.

I liked working with the PR and got along with the EB especially. The Crystal Ocean I found very sticky and didn't take to that very well although I give it a good period of time to adjust to it.

The Berins blue is brilliant to work with, I love the workability of it and its ease of use ... it seems to be easy to regulate the temperature throughout the day and always does the job I want it to do.

As for the Berins Ease I adore this wax.. its non sticky formula is brilliant. I can put it on the whole leg knowing it won't set up or I won't be all sticky by the end of it, just a dream wax to use in my opinion.

The Berins Jetset which is like the PR Escential Rose is not as easy to use and takes a bit of getting used to, but it sets really quickly and can be very useful for the hotter days. It needs to be heated to a warmer temperature and it is pretty hard to keep temperature control for optimum use. The blue is so much easier. But in the really sticky days we sometimes have, the Jetset is a godsend as it will be very effective on skin that is perspiring, so I use this in my intimate waxing if I have a client that is a bit sticky with perspiration.

Both brands of waxes are fantastic and it always comes down to trial and error before you find the wax that you want to use.

I would definitely go back to Perron Rigot if I couldn't get hold of Berins for what ever reason.

HTH

 

[Kim Lawless]

they were both created by the same person you know,
first came then perron rigot then improvements were asked for and berins was born :hug:

Improvements? That's not what I've been told. What are the improvements?

I've tried the Berins as Collin sent me some. We can all argue and try and score points all day long, but it comes down to personal choice.

The fact that I think Perron Rigot beats Berins hands down doesn't mean I'm right or that it's a fact......It's just my personal choice.

On a final note, and this isn't directed at you Angelina as you probably aren't aware, but after all the bad feeling last year during the wax war, I wish we could just all stick to giving advice about waxing in general and forget about brands. It's so boring.

 

[angelina221]

Wax war? Are you serious? Ha, i thought all the people on here were over 16. Sheesh.
Didn't mean to open up a can of worms, i was just genuinely interested to know what peoples thoughts were and then maybe i could see if anyone had any tips etc...
If people would rather pm their opinion then

 

[fozzyo]

A recent experience echo's what Kim says - personal preference.

Since I started using non-strip waxes I've used Euroblonde on the recommendation of both Kim and Andy and loved it. I then tried out Escential Rose (the creamy faster setting wax suitable for warmer areas / rooms) and loved it so use that as well - had to buy a 3rd heater!

I just ordered a whole pile of Escential Rose, and thought I'd also order a bag of Ceripil Homme to try it. I exclusivly wax guys and I market myself as using wax designed for use with guys so thought I'd try it out. My initial playing with it and treatments have been very positive, i've found it easier to manage the temperature and it applies well. Is it a different formula - I have no idea, it smells lovely, looks good and works for me. So I am now thinking when I stock up on wax it will be Homme rather then Euroblonde.

So get a sample from Berins and a sample from PR and make up your own mind. It is well worth the investment to get a product you believe in.

 

[angelina221]

I have sampled both! I currently use Berins blue and Perron rigot cristal ocean.
I found the euroblonde got brittle but i find the blue quite stringy. I think it's me probably not having the right temperature!
If i have my pot on 2 then the blue goes on nicely but it is stringy. If i put it up to 2.5 then it melts in the middle which it's not supposed to do! I will be trying the Euroblonde again next week as i've ran out of blue.
If you say the homme is easier to control the temperature then i may try that. Is that exclusively for men? Does it have a manly smell?
Do you think it makes a difference having the wax on number 2.5 from as soon as you turn the pot on? So if i set the wax to come on say an hour before i come in. I usually have it on number 6 for 20 mins and then turn it to 2.5 as that's what it says in the instructions.

 

[Jen Smith]

I have my wax pots heating from cold at the temperature I want the wax to be when ready. I keep the lid on the heating wax and remove the lid about 15 mins before the first appointment which seems to give it the perfect setting for heat and workability. I do allow 2 hours in the morning though before my first client for the wax to fully heat up. I have my blue on 2.2, Ease on 3.5 and the Jetset on 4.

The PR Homme has a marine aroma, very nice actually and very masculine which is what it is aimed for. I certainly wouldn't want this as my only hard wax, but it would be an ideal choice to have if you had a large male customer base.

 

[collin]

Isn't it simply quiet normal that therapists post these sorts of questions on the boards..we see them all the time ..Is brand A better than brand B and if so why.

That's what makes this forum such a useful tool for all those therapists out there searching for products which will enable them to offer their customers the very best there is...all be it in thier own opinion :hug:

"Wax wars"...I think not..simply people asking and peeps responding with what they consider works well for them :hug:

The key is to contact the various companies and try them out for yourselves.

It would be fair to say that many therapists use more than one brand by taking the best elements from brand A as well as brand B.

HTH :hug:

 

[cabinkel]

I agree with your sentiment collin, but, and this is not meant as an attack in any way shape or form to any one,:hug::hug:, I, and I can only talk for me, do sometimes find it frustrating when opinions are asked for and the "trainers" jump up and say how their product is better, blah blah blah.
Now, please do not misunderstand me, I love the fact that we have trainers on here giving invaluable advice, and collin, you always seem very fair and balanced. I love the fact that we have people whom are passionate about their products, (jeez, thats what I want to see when I have a trainer training me, lol). It still can be a bit "here we go again" when tanning/eyelash extensions/waxing is mentioned. The trouble is I then find it hard to believe that the responses are genuine and unbiased. Sometimes we just want to hear from therapists, in the field, who are not "in bed" (not rumour starting here collin:lol with any company or working for them. Does that make sense to anyone, lol! I certainly am not having a moan about anyones passion for their employer, but it can all get a bit yawwwwnnnnnnnn! Pleeeease dont take offence anyone, as I assure you, NONE is intended!:hug::hug::hug::hug:

 

[angelina221]

I know exactly what you mean Cabinkel!
I too sometimes just want to know how other therapists have gotten on with certain products and sometimes need an expert view.
To say a product has been 'improved', is probably the wrong word to use. I prefer 'changed'.
A product that has had the formula changed may be an improvement to some people but others may not like it.
I used to use Persil washing powder. I used it for years and then they changed the formula. Was it better for me? No!! Made me itch like mad and i had to change brands. I'm sure others preferred the new formula though.
As has been said, it is a personal choice and it's good to have variety.

 

[Urban Geek]

I find it invaluable getting feedback from therapists but I also think we are lucky to have such wonderful educators giving great input to this site. Yes, I know the educators can be biased and I understand how it might be annoying at times but it is rather difficult for them not to be. It is a catch 22.

If I don't want or like the opinion of an educator, I will ignore their input. We can't ask them to switch on an off to our queries. What I may consider a biased opinion, others may not.

I am sure some feedback that I don't find helpful would be invaluable to many others.

Great thread Angelina!:hug:

 

[collin]

I find it invaluable getting feedback from therapists but I also think we are lucky to have such wonderful educators giving great input to this site. Yes, I know the educators can be biased and I understand how it might be annoying at times but it is rather difficult for them not to be. It is a catch 22.

If I don't want or like the opinion of an educator, I will ignore their input. We can't ask them to switch on an off to our queries. What I may consider a biased opinion, others may not.

I am sure some feedback that I don't find helpful would be invaluable to many others.

Great thread Angelina!:hug:

Very good view point as usual :hug:

It is and must be difficult for manufacturers,distributors and educators to find the right balance..that said it's also not that difficult either.

If you are any of the above the best rule of thumb is to not bring up the brand you make,distribute,sell,or promote unless there is a specific question asked about that brand that you are more than qualified to answer or a question directed at you....lets face it pees can read home pages and therefore know who you are,what you do,who you represent so really there is no need to ram anything down anyone's throats.

,...stick to genuine advice from a global aspect and you cant really go wrong :hug:

Any of the above,by virtue of what they do,have a wealth of experience and therefore contribution to offer and give to those that ask of it.

:idea: Banner advertising is not expensive and that's where any advertising should be done leaving the open boards for non brand advice and assistance :hug:.

It would be inappropriate for a manufacturer to pass comment of "my brand is the best so go buy it" ..the exception of course is B&Q that I personally believe everyone should ...so go buy LOL

 

[Kim Lawless]

Of course people want to know about different brands but some people have hidden agenda's.

Take me for example: I'm an ambassador for Perron Rigot but I have always refused commission for putting business their way. In fact, I have been using Perron long before Thalgo bought the company out. They asked Andy and I to be ambassadors because of our knowledge of the product.

Although I train with Perron, it doesn't mater to me if they go and use another wax. I'm an indepenent trainer. It's my techniques that I teach, I don't sell wax.

However, I cringe every time that I see Berins v Perron Rigot posts because I think that I and the Berins users/trainers feel duty bound, out of loyalty to their brand, to all come on and say that our wax is the best, which then leads to friction.......put aside boredom for the other geeks.

As I've said before, I would love to see 'no brands mentioned' waxing threads.

xxx

 

[Annie23]

I can understand where all the various issues come from as to my brand v's your brand and how it can all get heated. (Heck I got grief the other day for suggesting to someone to use a funnel to fill the Easy Soak bowl with water rather go out and spend more money on another alternative soaking off bowl - it does get a bit tedious.)

But back on topic - this thread has been so useful to me, I am (nail tech) about to enter the world of waxing and I am so excited and can't wait for my training. So reading experts views on different waxes has been a really interesting read. I will obviously get advice from my trainer but its always good to get other points of view.

anne xx

 

[Jen Smith]

Kim I feel I have to slightly disagree with you here. Please don't take offence. :hug:

The title of this thread from the poster was Berins or Perron Rigot. The poster didn't ask about waxing technique but about two specific products and for any users that could give their opinion on what are the pros and cons to both waxes. I don't see this as a hidden agenda question and as such I posted my opinion having used both brands for a considerable time and being a totally independant 'user' myself. As you know I don't train or work for anyone and as such have no allegience to anyone either.

I agree to the non brand specific answers to general technique questions and that it can be very tedious seeing the same posters big up their particular brands. Be it with the waxing, nails and tanning threads.

Just as an observation, if anyone finds a thread tedious and boring, then ignore it and move on.

I know you were not directing your post towards me personally, but having actually posted in this thread earlier in good faith and knowing I could give an unbias opinion having used both waxes, I felt I needed to clarify that there was no hidden ajenda with my comments.

Mwaah!! :hug:

Of course people want to know about different brands but some people have hidden agenda's.

Although I train with Perron, it doesn't mater to me if they go and use another wax. I'm an indepenent trainer. It's my techniques that I teach, I don't sell wax.

However, I cringe every time that I see Berins v Perron Rigot posts because I think that I and the Berins users/trainers feel duty bound, out of loyalty to their brand, to all come on and say that our wax is the best, which then leads to friction.......put aside boredom for the other geeks.

As I've said before, I would love to see 'no brands mentioned' waxing threads.

xxx