facial bar- yay or nay

[Rockateer]

have been doing a lot of researchh into diff products of late and have come across facial bar's in the US, you tube it
i cant do links
google repechage facial bar
the founder Lydia sarfati is presenting
what ppl think??
is this not going back to the 1990's where we had curtain partition's?????
am i backwards in thinking or is it fresh and modern???

 

[Redchick]

Watched a clip, I'm thinking NAH!

My friends a beautician and her main income was from waxing, not as much from facials.

I think one of the main selling points in the clip was how much time you save, I didn't think it saved an amazing amount of time. Plus I like being in a room, it's relaxing. I have facials to relax, I don't want to be rushed.

I think a Wax Bar is a much better idea.

I'm not a beautician tho, just speaking from a customer point of view. Giv me my relaxing room and take ur time!

And when I used to work in an office I always had full make up on. So the last thing I'd hav wanted is to have my make up taken off during lunch.

Yolanda x

 

[Miss Pink23]

I think its an interesting concept. I don't see how its particularly relaxing what with being right in the middle of the salon, but if clients are giving good feedback then I suppose its a win-win situation.

 

[weezie]

Pack em in, slap it on and send them out! No thanks! I'm not sure most people going in for a facial want to be seen looking their worst in public.

However I continue to be surprised- seeing people having their brows shaped in the middle of boots for example (my eyes nearly popped out of my head!) I felt sorry for the bright red puffy eyed people queuing up to pay looking slightly embarrassed!

 

[Rockateer]

hahah weezie that had me cracking up, i was in house of fraser today and i saw a woman get her lip waxed, in the middel of a shop, anyways, the gahl at the bar said its all about the bars, brow bars, tint bars, lash bars, makeupcounters
is it?
is this where the money is???????????????????

 

[weezie]

hahah weezie that had me cracking up, i was in house of fraser today and i saw a woman get her lip waxed, in the middel of a shop, anyways, the gahl at the bar said its all about the bars, brow bars, tint bars, lash bars, makeupcounters
is it?
is this where the money is???????????????????

Yeah and then "behind bars" when you get sued for doing a cr@ppy job! :lol:

 

[Rockateer]

well i know what bar im going to stick to
alocohol bar hahahhaa

 

[weezie]

Hee hee!

On a serious note I am sure there is lots of money to be made with these kinds of set ups in the right location I'm just not sure they are the kind of qualify of treatment that I would like to offer my clients. They don't necessarily target repeat business they are for instant sales and this is why they work best in department stores or at an airport for example. They create passing trade from people who want to try something out on a whim. I would assume the people who have them are in general not those that would be loyal to a salon, they are they are clientele that are more likely to be always looking for the next new fad.

On the other hand maybe introducing this as an option would broaden your client base by getting these types of people who may not otherwise use you in, but I'm not sure it would work alone as a business model, unless you were situated somewhere where you get a high level of footfall. :hug:

 

[Rockateer]

hmmm, serious question back right at ye- haha
maybe in a nail bar/ brow bar/ makeup counter type environment it would belnd, as u say in a department store type set up
it would have to be in a city centre location to have the passing trade

.........those chairs look perfect for what i want though, they look like barber type chairs right??
- im considering a brow bar in my salon...try try !!

 

[mrs o]

hi
not sure what part of Ireland you are based in-thats important for the type of business you are after.
We have different things going on in several locations.Depending where you are or what you want to be is crucial.
For example Arnotts Dept Store a CND Product is their thing.
Style Club ( the hair stylists) Minx is their thing.And so on and so on
In my opinion to specialise in ONE Treatment is the thing!!
No matter what it is.you have to be the BEST.
Just pick one thing that you think you excell in and focus totally on that.
Become the best in your area for that treatment.
Become the Best nail painter in your area(WATCH THIS SPACE),but do something that makes you stand out.
I am not terribly sure about the skin/make-up/brow bar thing because there are alot of people doing this well all ready but hey what do i know?
Karen xx

 

[Rockateer]

karen you have me confused about what you mean "what yiou have going on"
are cnd in arnotts? minx in style club? etc
i am just asking fellow geeks what they thoight of the concept, does that make sense?

 

[Lynne Baker]

A friend of mine is the reservations manager of a 4 star hotel and they have pedi chairs in the reception area of the spa/salon there. She tells me that people don't like it because it has the feel of being on show and of the hotel trying to maximise the space they have.
I don't like the idea of "bars" in open places because I'm building a business based on quality and discretion, intimacy and individualism. I suspect they have their place though. Just not in my salon!

 

[Rockateer]

its one thing gettin your piggys out in a public area, imagine a facemask, blackhead extraction/!!!
no thanks !
im sure there is a time and a place!

 

[bombini]

Space NK actually have some very similar if not the same thing in there stores.

I don't actually know if they charge for it or not but everytime I have been in there to get something there always seems to be someone having something done ! I don't think its a full on facial but it seems to last for quite some time as I have been in there for up to 30mins and the same person has been cleansed, massaged etc.

I wouldn't ever have my make up done in a department store as apart from looking like an oompa lumpa afterwards I don't like the idea of sitting there whilst my face is stripped bare then god knows what being slapped on but people up and down the country have it done so I can see that a facial would probably work for some people.

 

[Rockateer]

never heard of space nk, wonders never cease to happen!!

 

[chanails]

just have to stick up for my nail bar, i take my business very seriously, myself and staff are highly trained, i have been open 6 years with a huge repeat client list, many have been coming from day1, with lost of new passing trade daily, i have made money yes, but its not been quick money, i have earned every penny, with most of it going back into the business to make it the best it can be, we use cnd,brisa, bio sculpture, we got poppits, minx,all the new cnd polishes the second they come out, can't wait for shelac, we use nouveau for lashes, 2 staff will be hd trained by the end of the month. nail bars are popular, there is a place for everyone in this business be it a nail bar, or a high end salon.

just felt i had to stick up for my baby empire, i am very proud of it, and all my staff too, as i couldn't do any of it without them.

janice xx

 

[Velveteen]

Janice, not sure why you feel the need to stick up for anything. This thread and conversation centres around facial bars, not nail bars, which are very different from each other. And no one's bagging anything, it's an explorative discussion.

Facial bars have been around for a while in the US. I haven't seen many in Australia, to be honest (and I've travelled a lot) and one I do remember was in a department store and didn't last long. There a few brow bars around but after the craze hit and faded a lot went 'behind the screens'. Again, that intimacy factor won out. People didn't want to get their bits done in public.

I watched the clip. This mob has been around for a while. Since the 80s I think. The founder is not a beauty therapist - she's a capitalist. Which isn't wrong but there is a big difference. I had to laugh actually: I'd just finished making a comment about those who call themselves the "queen" of something when they're selling a product and there was the sign - 'facial queen'. Ah, marketing spin. So predictable

As a concept, it's a business model that could work for some depending on whether the culture you were in would take to it. Some cultures like a 'takeaway' aspect. They think it's perfectly normal to rush in and rush out. And if it works for them - great. It's just unfortunate that a severely watered down version of the facial process is presented as 'the' way to perform a facial.

What really concerns me, though, is that on the clip there were some things that made me cringe and go against everything I hold dear as a BT. To me, it clearly demonstrated the lack of knowledge prevalent in those who want to make a quick buck. This saddens me.

There is much to be said for quality, personalised service and pride in one's work. It's too bad people like this don't appear to understand this concept.

 

[Jenn]

Hi I havent seen the you tube link but from the sounds of it the client would have a facial service in the middle of the salon... not relaxing! I work with dermalogica who have launched the 'skin bar' which is fab and has apparently boosted Dermalogica retail sales dramatically. The concept is that it is more like a tutorial with your client rather than a relaxing treatment educating the client about their skin. A full skin analysis is given to the client then a product perscription is recommended and the client actually samples the recommended products there and then themselves as if they would be using them at home. It works really well for increasing product sales and your also hitting clients that perhaps dont want a facial service but want to be using the correct products at home and using them effectively to enhance the skin. Its definately worth a thought and perhaps a trial run to see how it goes.

Jen

 

[chanails]

sorry i don't know what you mean by my no ones bagging anything, i just wanted to add my story of a bar working in the open, i had been on wine when i posted so wasn't entirely clear, i have a nail and beauty bar we do facial waxing, eye lash extensions in the open everyone can see and it and it works. i was in a shopping mall the other day and there was a new place opened where people were having a pedicure with fish. everyone was watching and tiny little fish were eating dead skin off peoples feet. it wasn't for me as i have a thing about fish. but they were queuing out of the door. it was new and different and people were curious. i just think today people are so busy and a lot of people can't make appointments so for some people walking past, if they have 30 mins they will pop in.

 

[Rockateer]

velveteen :
What really concerns me, though, is that on the clip there were some things that made me cringe and go against everything I hold dear as a BT. To me, it clearly demonstrated the lack of knowledge prevalent in those who want to make a quick buck. This saddens me.

Apparently im living in a bubble of aw at this midern (in my opinion idea) and havent noted what these cribgeworthy moments are- says a lot aboyt me i am sure -eeeek !
Can yu please point them out, im kicking muself now !!1 And am intrigued !
-where were the ones in americas, when i google it i do not come across any facial bars except the repechage bars, ooo i like the dermalogica bar, educating clients etc !!!!!!!!