Facial range training???

[BABSann]

Ok,just wondered what training you geeks had for your chosen facial range???Some ranges allow you to use your own massage routine.Do you see this as enough or do you think that it's an important part of our job???

For me I see it as being very important to do proper training in different facial ranges,massage routines,it's what makes us specialists,what makes us stand out from the other thousands of therapists.What gives us an insight into different product brands and skin types, and helps us give accurate skin analysis without the need to look it up in a book!!!!!


How many days was your training??

Was it free??Did they come to you or did you have to travel and will you continue upgrading your training within your chosen brand or are you happy where you are.

Are you happy with your choice and do you believe in your products???

 

[Jacqui'snewnail]

Good thread - I will be watching with interest as I am looking to stock a facial range but not sure who why where?!?!

I have a limited budget but want a quality brand, specialist, professional range.

Thanks
Jacqui

 

[pure]

Great question Babs!:hug:

I for one would love to choose a range which provided additional training and additional techniques to learn. Makes you stand out from the crowd!

 

[BABSann]

I think it's hard when you are starting out and need a budget facial range,Eve Taylor has wonderful products,provides training for her range but not for a massage routine.There are a lot of other facial companies that also have budget products but dont provide any training other than a manual.

Fortunately for me I have been trained in different brands but if I hadn't I cannot imagine being able to carry out as good a facial massage.

I will always want to carry on learning and picking up points to better my knowledge and massage.In fact I actually thrive on it.I must be sad:green:

 

[Martigirl]

I trained for 3 days for my stage 1 facial range. Very intensive 30 mins break in 8 hours each day.

At the end of it I had 2 seperate exams, both took me 2.1/2 hours to complete and I was required to attain a pass mark of 85% plus. If I failed either exam the answer was simple THEY WOULDN'T SUPPLY ME THE PRODUCTS!!!!

It cost £65 plus VAT for the 3 days and I learned more in those 3 days than I did in 3 years at college.

I so believe in the products I sell and use, to me it's simple if I didn't beleive I wouldn't use them but I have that luxury by having my own business.

I have taken the Stage 2 training too which was 1 day at £25 plus VAT but with another 2.1/2 hour exam.

hth's:hug:

 

[estherlou]

my personal set up is a bit different, i've done my itec training and the facial element was the most intensive part, but on top of that my family has always used aromatherapy and massage as a part of life. because of this i feel very happy in my ability to perform facial massage. i don't have specific aromatherapy training although this is something i would like to do in the future, i chose the eve taylor range as i felt it was the perfect range for myself and my clients. unfortunately i live too far away from their training centre to do the training to go along with it. i do obviously have the manual but certainly wouldn't rely wholly on that to do my treatments. i do believe in furthering my abilities in anyway i can and do plan to do a couple of courses later this year, but i also believe that the best way to learn is practice practice practice.

 

[BABSann]

my personal set up is a bit different, i've done my itec training and the facial element was the most intensive part, but on top of that my family has always used aromatherapy and massage as a part of life. because of this i feel very happy in my ability to perform facial massage. i don't have specific aromatherapy training although this is something i would like to do in the future, i chose the eve taylor range as i felt it was the perfect range for myself and my clients. unfortunately i live too far away from their training centre to do the training to go along with it. i do obviously have the manual but certainly wouldn't rely wholly on that to do my treatments. i do believe in furthering my abilities in anyway i can and do plan to do a couple of courses later this year, but i also believe that the best way to learn is practice practice practice.

Where I see what you're saying Esther you cant practice unless you have been shown different routines etc.College just teaches you a basic massage routine,it's when we leave that we really start to evolve.I think anyway.

There are so many different moves Shiatsu etc, that are not necessarily covered in college.

My facial training was extremely intensive at college,firstly level 2 then 3 but I learnt so much more when I started my training through specific professional products.It was a real eye opener,something new and challenging.I personally found this invaluable.

Eve Taylor do wonderful products and as you know I use these for my mobile business but although they do provide product training they do not provide facial massage training,which I think is a shame because not only do the products that you use, set you apart, but also a lot of clients come back because they particularly like the set massage routine of the particular facial product you use.(not to mention the personal touch of the therapist)

I do throw in a couple of my own moves when in the salon doing a Darphin facial but their massage routine is lovely and keeps the clients coming back for more.A lot of these moves I incorporate in my Eve Taylor facials,just waiting for the time when they do some facial massage training.My opinion is we can never know enough in this industry.:green:

 

[estherlou]

you're right i would like to learn more techniques, i'm not of the mind 'if it ain't broke don't fix it, but i do also feel that i can offer facial treatments with the training i have and in my opinion it will still be of a high standard. I do also agree that you can never learn enough, thats why this forum is so useful, it gives therapists the chance to exchange views and learn things from other therapists perspectives which can only improve the industry as a whole x

 

[Chameleon]

I have been trained in many ranges here and in France,but when i took on Elemis in my salon,the training was 2 weeks of VERY intensive product knowledge,and i learnt a massage specifically for the facial.

Clients comment on the massage as it isnt european and is a mixture of massage techniques around the world.

I have gone back several times for refresher courses,as education is very important for me.

For Karin Herzog the training was 5 days and again my husband and i learnt another massage technique together with manual lymphatic drainage massage.

We are now going to take on board some treatments from French skincare Academie scientifique de beaute....YAAAAAY!!!!!:green:
(sorry about that ,but taking on a FRENCH skincare range......FINALLY!!,i was carried away.

Anyway we are going to the Leeds Academy with Hyperion to do the training in May,and we will be learning the Acadayspa treatment which is a full body massage combined with a body mask of white tea and lotus,but using different tools to massage with,being bamboo,spheres and stones from South America.I KNOW it will sell when we do our launch evening in the salon.
The other treatment from Academie will be the Aromeesential facial using pure essential oils and combining ANOTHER new massage routine,this being acupressure,indicative to the facial.

I am an aromatherapistaswell as estheticienne(sorry is it the same in english??),so this treatment will be dear to my heart.

My husband and i will be going to Perpignan in the south of France in a couple of weeks(dont worry guys we will still be on the net to communicate!) and i will be checking out a salon in Perpignan that does Academie to "experience" the treatment.

Education is of the uttmost for Richard and i,i just love learning and learning and learning some more!

its got to the point clients are asking me each week....anything new at hand Gabrielle??

It makes me smile,knowing i can offer scope and choice,as this industry is very competetive,and the more treatments you offer the more educated therapist you can be:hug: :green:

 

[estherlou]

wow, thats impressive! when funds and time allow i would like to extend my training, but hey we've all got to start somewhere. x

 

[pinkmummy]

When I did my Guinot training it was a 5 day residential course at their head office & training school in Ascot. This was for facial techniques only. We did practical training on the 3 main types of facial; Hydradermie (inc Hydradermie plus), Liftosome and Beaute Neuve.
We also had theory training on all the different products within the range, with a final exam. We had to know all the main ingredients and actions of all the products.
It was hard work, especially for me as my baby was only 4 months old. I missed him so much that my hubby brought him down to see me halfway through the week.:o:hug: Anyway, I organised study groups with the other girls who were training with me on the other nights and we all did very well. I got 94% on my theory exam.:green:

 

[oey]

I am too currently looking into taking on a new specialist skin care range of products over this next month and have been doing plenty of homework on what is available in my budget range and what training comes with it.

It is very difficult to make a decision based on receiving a few samples so I have a few reps from different companies coming out to see me over the next few weeks.

The biggest concern I have is within my budget I cannot afford one of the "well known range" of products so I need to be sure that the products I go with can offer something different that will attract the customer from a performance point of view as most of the customers will probably not have heard of the range I will end up using.

This is where I see the additional training provided as vital as i need to wow the client enough so the name of the products used doesnt matter.

Watch this space.

 

[eager beaver]

When i took on dermalogica i had a four day training course at their centre in leatherhead. They had specific routine to follow to ensure it was the dermalogica experience.
I have also done phytomer training at the centre in windsor, where they again trained us in their massage routines, and have trained in gatineau, where they too have a specific sequence.
I feel that a decent brand should really be offering free training -all of the above was free- after all, you are an advert for their brand. it also shows some uniformity with the particular brand- especially if that is what customers are paying for. That said, i now use a massge that has been created through a mixture of different training, aromatherapy, IHM pressure points etc, and i know that i am performing a very good, unique experience.
College gives you a good start, but 10 years down the line you do not want to be performing that same old basic routine.JMO

 

[oey]

Just a question - has anybody done the five day training that comes with the "Academie de Beaute" products - if so what was covered?

 

[littlepinkfairy]

When i trained with Matis i went to Kent for 4 days. (It's now 5 days since i did my training, which includes retail training). It was really good fun, i learned 4 different facials and we went through in detail the theory behind them and the products aswell. We did not have to learn a new massage, but to be honest, i am so rubbish at remembering routines like that so i was relieved, i prefer to be shown a few different moves at a time and then incorporate them in to my own routine. I find i learn better that way.

When i did SK4 facial training that was an extra 2 days and then a 3rd day (after 6 months) doing SK4 Advanced facial training.

The massage routine i do now is totally different to the one i learned at college, mostly becuase i forgot it! I now make up my own routine with moves i've picked up from working with other therapists. Also by having facials at other salons/spas, i have "borrowed" some of thier moves which i know feel nice.

I think some skincare brands have such a huge range, learning a whole new massage routine aswell would prove too much for some therapists, which is why they let you use your own routine.

xx

 

[pure]

So what would you all recommend if the chosen skin care range does not provide additional massage or facial training?

I have had facials in the past (inc Decleor) and I can honestly say that the massage I have been taught at college misses out none of the moves! It includes shoulders, neck and face, as well as pressure point massage and lymphatic drainage. A full 20 minute routine. Now don't get me wrong I know that it can in no way compare with the many years of experience and additional training that most of you have had but I'm hoping that what I have learnt will suffice!

 

[pinkmummy]

So what would you all recommend if the chosen skin care range does not provide additional massage or facial training?

Any reputable range will provide training. It may not be at a glam training academy, it might just be in salon, but if the range you choose won't provide you with some sort of training they are not worth using. IMHO.
Edit to add: You also need to know your theory behind the products you choose, they should train you in this. You need to know why you choose to put certain products on certain skin types, what ingredients are used, and what are their therapeutic actions etc.

 

[pure]

Any reputable range will provide training. It may not be at a glam training academy, it might just be in salon, but if the range you choose won't provide you with some sort of training they are not worth using. IMHO.
Edit to add: You also need to know your theory behind the products you choose, they should train you in this. You need to know why you choose to put certain products on certain skin types, what ingredients are used, and what are their therapeutic actions etc.

Eve Taylor? I think they provide product training but not facial or massage techniques.

 

[eager beaver]

So what would you all recommend if the chosen skin care range does not provide additional massage or facial training?

I have had facials in the past (inc Decleor) and I can honestly say that the massage I have been taught at college misses out none of the moves! It includes shoulders, neck and face, as well as pressure point massage and lymphatic drainage. A full 20 minute routine. Now don't get me wrong I know that it can in no way compare with the many years of experience and additional training that most of you have had but I'm hoping that what I have learnt will suffice!

some therapists have had many years of experience and undergone much training, that doesnt necessarily mean they will be any better than you. A good therapist is one who is passionate about their work, and put all their effort into their treatments. Your routine sounds very good to me, and you would know if it wasnt. x

 

[pinkmummy]

I didn't realise that, it does surprise me though. Most reputable (I'm not dissing Eve Taylor here, just expressing my surprise:hug skincare suppliers would insist on some form of practical training to make sure customers are getting the same great treatments no matter where they go.
It's the same concept as only using Creative if you're Creative trained. The idea is that all accredited therapist are performing to a minimum standard.
I personally would want to have some form of practical training from a new skincare supplier as lots of preparations have their own little quirks.
For example Guinot's Beaute Neuve treatment feels hot on the face and makes a kind of fizzing noise when deactivated. If I'd had no training with this facial I'd have pooped myself with fear the first time I did it.