Gel Enhancement turns 'whitish'??

[VHunter]

I have two clients that are baffling me.
They have minimal lift on occasion, occasionally break. I know they're a tad tough on their nails... because the edges are worn away? And the shape is wonky when they come back.

The gel seems to get whitish in what you might think is a pocket lift but isn't... when you inspect closer? And it's not surface stain or whatever..
I'm not sure what to make of it.
Like here: http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v575/14/46/882190384/n882190384_4909491_5358.jpg

You see the occasional pink spot from when she breaks. She probably breaks a nail here and there about 1 every 3 appointments. And it's usually a DOOZY where the nail plate get's torn from catching the gel and not coming in right away for repairs.

Why does the nail plate seem whitish on her?

 

[VHunter]

Anyone?

 

[tracey louise]

to be honest im baffled by this too as ive never come across it.my first thought was pocket lifting but youve obviously ruled that out.
could it be that say if you bend or catch a nail but it doesnt actually break could this be the outcome to the product ? where the product has bee put under stress? does that make sense?
does it disapear when the product is filed away and do you have to file all the product away to remove it? x

 

[VHunter]

Hmm not sure.
That pic is a rebalance already done.... and the former gel still seems 'whitish' or maybe it's the nailplate itself that's whitish? I've noticed this bizarre phenomenom on 2 or 3 clients. Very weird.

I can't figure it out. Never see it on new sets. Don't see it on other clients. Only on the odd 2 or 3 clients (I think it's 3, now that I think on it). Can't figure it out.
:irked:

 

[tracey louise]

is an the same clients all the time and same fingers? if so then i would presume its something they are doing themselves thats causing it to happen.x

 

[oey]

Has this happened on these clients only since you started with your e-file on them? Just a thought.

 

[VHunter]

is an the same clients all the time and same fingers? if so then i would presume its something they are doing themselves thats causing it to happen.x

It's the same clients all the time. The ones that are roughest on their hands.

Has this happened on these clients only since you started with your e-file on them? Just a thought.

Umm been using an efile for a few years now... can't remember if these clients had this issue before the e-file. I'm assuming yes. I would think if it was efile doing it, it would be all clients?
How could an efile do it?

thanks ladies........

 

[RedAdmiral]

I have seen this and I think it is pressure. The nail hasnt pocket lifting but has 'given' IYKWIM

 

[VHunter]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww hmmm wonder if that's it?
Makes a weird kind of sense, as they are very heavy handed, the ones that have it.

So... do I leave it? Or redo every time? Because the same ones ALWAYS seem to have it...
Thinking maybe that those clients should be L&P?

 

[RedAdmiral]

have 2 like that myself and I'm the same not sure what to do as nail is firmly attatched sometimes I do sometimes I dont................ anyone else?

 

[marion]

could it be that the older product ages differently on some people? i have noticed this on a couple of my clients, expecially when they don't come back as often as they should

 

[adelekeegan1]

I have seen this and occasionally on myself if I have given a nail a nasty whack or it has got bent the wrong way.

It isn't pocket lift but neither is it still as firmly attached as it should be, if you let it grow out (as I did) it does not have any strength.

I now completely remove all the gel as I am wary of getting a greenie and it looks much better of course - HTH

 

[tracey louise]

I have seen this and I think it is pressure. The nail hasnt pocket lifting but has 'given' IYKWIM

that is what i meant by stress.
i think i personally would probably remove the product and reapply just to be on the safe side and also the nails will look better.x

 

[VHunter]

I'm still at a loss, because one of the clients, it's usually all 10nails that look 'whitish' .... she beats the LIFE outta them :cry:
The idea of removing it all at each rebalance (every 2wks) is not an attractive one in terms of time and cost... I don't think she'd like the cost either.
And I HATE filing the natural nail, I avoid it at all costs. Because the gel is a buff-off................

Thanks everyone... I'll keep all of this in mind.

 

[oey]

Do you still think it could be the nail plate? Does it happen when the clients have had a few re-balances?

I cant help but think that these clients nail go like this when they have a re-balance appt, whether it be pressure from the e-file or the same pressure from a manual file that has caused it I dont know - I think the white areas seem to follow the same shape as the cuticle so where the gel has been sealed at the cuticle edge and then grown up with the natural nail growth the white area seems to mirror that growth if that makes sense.

Perhaps with clients that do tend to bash their nails they are more prone to get these white marks full stop.

 

[Bagpuss]

Are you using a coverage gel....? I have had this when using a coverage gel, over time as we infill/rebalance....the depth to the coverage gel gets more opaque...making it look whiter than where you have applied new gel to the new growth..(zone 3)

 

[VHunter]

Nope... with a clear gel.
And it's always the same couple of clients that suffer this strange phenomenom. 2 of which are in like clockwork, every 2 weeks. The 3rd is every 3-4 wks (her nails are as slow as turtles to grow...)