Natural nails - cutting down

[Mizz Beauty]

Iv just started a beauty Specialist diploma -

i have lovely long strong natural nails.. iv been told i need to cut them down as there to long , not practical or safe while doin the course.....

Im gutted that i have to do this as iv had long nails for a while and there part of me....

Recommendations. Do u think i should personally cut them myself .....

or go and have a manicure and ask them to cut them down so they ve been properly done ..

 

[Julia Moran]

If i was the tutor i would use you as an opportunity to teach the class how to do this procedure correctly. Why not ask the tutor to do this!

 

[Mizz Beauty]

I was thinking that myself.. but not there till next week now. lol and they need to be done for then..

 

[Julia Moran]

Working on yourself is a great way to help learn so here you go, first lesson hey.... sharp pair of scissors or nail clippers followed with a fine nail file.

 

[VHunter]

If she is accustomed to functioning with long nails (as she clearly is) and hasn't wounded any of her children with these long nails... WHY then does she have to shorten them?

IF she had displayed problems in class with them, THEN I could understand (Ex: someone unaccustomed who gets long enhancements then can't even do up her own pants...)

But if she's cautious, and keeps them clean... I don't see the issue.

I have very long nails and on the odd occasion I shortened them too much,I couldn't type well at all, with all sorts of type-o's and had problems in other areas of my life too (INCLUDING doing my job as a Nail tech). My nails are an extension of my fingers and I "use" them.

Just my thoughts...........


As for cutting... DON'T.
They should be FILED shorter and not cut. Scissors and clippers bend the nail into an unnatural shape, weakening it and perhaps breaking it.
Filing is the better route to take, to shorten them.

Hope this helps
:hug:

 

[zcook]

You would have to keep the nails short for facial massage thats for sure, you cant provide a non scratching massage with long nails, I know cos Ive tried :lol:

and yes...file, dont cut.

 

[beccimac]

When doing my NVQ in Nails it was their standard to have short unpainted nails. Although now i have them with acrylic all the time. If you dont feel confident in doing them yourself then why not treat yourself to a nice manicure. Watch how they do it and you can be one up on the other students when it comes round to you to have a go in class!! Good luck with your studies, Bec x

 

[uniq12u]

In my experience if you clip your nails from side to side (using only the corner of the clippers) and not straight across the end it won't bend your nail in an odd angle. A lot of filing can cause stress to your nail also if you are having to take off a lot of length.

 

[VHunter]

You would have to keep the nails short for facial massage thats for sure, you cant provide a non scratching massage with long nails, I know cos Ive tried :lol:

and yes...file, dont cut.

Ohhh whoops, had forgotten about that part of my cosmetology course LOL Yeah, for facials, it could be a tad tricky hehehe

In my experience if you clip your nails from side to side (using only the corner of the clippers) and not straight across the end it won't bend your nail in an odd angle. A lot of filing can cause stress to your nail also if you are having to take off a lot of length.

How does filing cause stress if it's done properly?

 

[Nailz73]

Gosh this takes me back some years !! I qualfied in 1992 as Beauty Therapist, i remember when at college the rules given to us were, Full make up, no fringe, long hair tied back, no nail polish and nails could be no longer than the finger edge. (and it was all checked ) lol.. our head of beauty was a funny one..

reason being, reduces risk of scratching, and also contamination with A) dirt under nails, B) clients skin under nails, product being caught under nails. and just gave a professional image. (apparently)

like you have long finger nails now.. i never used to wear make up so having to slap it on every day was quite amusing.. :O)..

am not without it now (sighs)

Sara

 

[Mizz Beauty]

Hi thanks so much for ur replies and advice.I v taken it all on board. The rules are still the same as 1992. lol .... iv decided to treat myself for a manicure... Iv manged to get a placement in a salon a few hours a week for extra experience so iv decided to book myself in then lol....

My first practical session is Facials so def a must for shortening them down.. Im so putted... never mind we all have to make sacrafies for somethin we want.

Will try popping a pic up.

Wish me luck xx

 

[uniq12u]

How does filing cause stress if it's done properly?

There was no description as to how to properly file, so an assumption was made that they know how to file properly and with what file. So maybe it would be better served to describe what you feel proper filing is?

 

[VHunter]

There was no description as to how to properly file, so an assumption was made that they know how to file properly and with what file. So maybe it would be better served to describe what you feel proper filing is?

Her profile indicates she has already commenced nail tech training. Filing is one of the first things learned.
You need it to know how to prep a nail for enhancements etc...
I may have made an 'assumption', but it was an informed one.
I do read profiles, unlike some people.............

 

[RedAdmiral]

Its a shame to cut them but you must. Enjoy your mani and good luck with your course.

 

[uniq12u]

Her question started with "Iv just started a beauty Specialist diploma". "Just started" means just that to me. Didn't say exactly when. Glad to hear you have time to read all profiles. I took her statement to be fact........my bad! But not everyone knows and message boards are to help everyone whether we read profiles or not or post questions or not. Someone else might not know and doesn't feel comfortable in asking. But really at this point, it's a little late to discuss further, she has made her decision.

 

[VHunter]

ALL I DID was ask you how filing causes stress to the natural nail when done properly (which by the way, you still haven't answered) when you then posted

There was no description as to how to properly file, so an assumption was made that they know how to file properly and with what file. So maybe it would be better served to describe what you feel proper filing is?

thereby attacking me when YOU assumed that 'I' made an assumption.
And then you add sarcasm about what I 'feel' is proper filing. WHERE iI could, if so inclined, could "assume" that you were implying that what I "feel" is the correct fashion may not very well be and there we go again, with you questioning my skills. BUT NO, I did not make that 'assumption' and chose to ignore your barb.
Again, I simply corrected you of YOUR assumption and left it at that.

Her question started with "Iv just started a beauty Specialist diploma". "Just started" means just that to me. Didn't say exactly when. Glad to hear you have time to read all profiles. I took her statement to be fact........my bad! But not everyone knows and message boards are to help everyone whether we read profiles or not or post questions or not. Someone else might not know and doesn't feel comfortable in asking. But really at this point, it's a little late to discuss further, she has made her decision.

NOW you're backpedalling for making an assumption and having a hissy, yet again. Oh yes, let's not forget the rude sarcasm. Most uncalled for.
And last I checked, just because she started a Beauty Specialist Diploma doesn't mean she hasn't had other courses etc. I have 4 different Industry related diplomas (in addition to other diplomas). If I mention only one, then you'll have to assume I know nothing else?

If you're going to be a member of a forum, I suggest you stop looking for arguments where there are none.
In addition, making assumptions is a gross waste of time, and lead to all sorts of folly and they are the LAST THING we need on this forum. Have you not heard of the saying that is in regards to "Assumptions" and A**'s?
And no, I don't read all the profiles. THERE WE GO... another assumption

In most cases, it's wisest, when in doubt to ASK A QUESTION and NOT to make an assumption.
And when one can't say anything nice, it's best not to say anything at all.


I think that this thread might be of use to you: http://www.salongeek.com/chit-chat/75008-way-off-topic-its-not-what-you-say-its-how-you-say.html.

This one too http://www.salongeek.com/how-do-stuff-site/31101-commandments-geek.html

 

[NoLimitNails]

Just to add to what Victoria says, if you look a the right side of the post you can see whether they have registred themselves as, skingeek, nailgeeks or hairgeeks. A quick way and you might not get all the info, but it's helpfull (then you can go further into the profile if you feel like it)

About the long nails, you would probably have to cut/file/make them shorter/short on your beautycourse, then afterwards you decide.
I have done facials with long (very long) almond shape nails, and NO PROBLEM for the CLIENT:green: For me well I'm not used to those long long nails, so I had to really think about how to manage, and I mus have looked quite funny doing the massage.

It's all up to what you can do, and your personally sense of hygiene. I have seen people with dirt/product/client skin under their short nails, and some really clean long nails, so for me it's how you cope...

 

[uniq12u]

Oh I'm the one looking for arguments????? It seems to me that you are the one taking things out of context and taking offense so easily and starts the dispute. I only answered a question by someone who had a concern. I wasn't being sarcastic. How is it that you know my intentions? I am new to the Board and am still learning where things are. It might be helpful if you had noticed I'm from the U.S., since you read profiles, which you said you do, so some of the terminology as far as education, etc. doesn't relate to our system.

And filing the nail improperly can cause stress/damage, which would be from filing back and forth in a sawing motion. And using too high of a grit of file can also do damage. I did notice that you didn't answer the question either about how to file properly. Not everyone who reads the board ask questions so answers not only to help the poster but those who are reading no matter what level they are at. I'm still learning and I hope I never quit doing so.

As before I'm done with this thread. We all are entitled to our opinions and what works for one doesn't work for another.

Have a great weekend!

 

[geeg]

If I were going to reduce the length of a LONG nail ... I would first clip the majority of the nail length with nail clippers, in small gentle bites, and then I would finish off the final shaping using a file (with the proper grit and in the proper manner [which {by the way} these days with modern files made of modern materials, CAN safely be used in a 'back & forth' motion, rather than the traditional 'side to centre side to centre' method.)

It has been proved in laboratory conditions and with photographic evidence that using files made of modern materials and of a sufficiently fine grit for natural nails, in a 'back & forth' motion actually seals and protects the free edge of the natural nail. (must keep up with our education ). I hope that was all very clear and that there need be no assumptions made that might cause confusion!

If anyone would like to argue the point then please contact Doug Schoon directly.

Have a wonderful weekend ladies! Victoria :hug: chill.
Unique12u ... welcome to the salon geek but let's not get too pedantic or argumentative and let's keep an open mind. Here's one for you too :hug:

 

[uniq12u]

What do you mean by modern files and modern materials? There are lots of different types of files and lots of different types of materials.

I have an open mind and I am not being argumentative. Just asking a simple question because to me this needs more clarification. TY!