Sustainability

[Ambience]

Hello!

I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions!

As part of a report, I have to design my own beauty salon and how it would contribute to the environment. For example, source products that have recyclable packaging, or products that are entirely natural and chemical free.

Do anyone have any ideas that they would like to put forward?! Also, does anyone know of any products that are entirely natural and chemical free?! Or what would be best to use in an environmental friendly salon?! It doesn't have to be about products, it can be about any aspect of the business!

Thank you for your time!

 

[Helen v]

Hi, with regard to a completely natural product natural elements is just this, to have a look at this product go to Essentially Yours | Free Delivery on all UK Mainland Retail Orders, otherwise i would just google search im sure you will find loads of info to inspire, other companies that ive looked at that go fr the eco friendly ethos are spar ritual and aveda but im sure there are lots more. Good luck.
xx

 

[persianista]

What is this a report for? It is such a big subject that it would help to know what perspective you want replies for.

 

[Ambience]

My report is for college! "Design your own beauty salon business, design price lists, decor and what is your target clientelle. Also take into consideration the products you would use in the salon. It is important to consider how your business can contribute to the environment, for example you can source products that have recyclable packaging, or products that are entirely natural and chemical free. It is also important to consider waste - how and what you would recycle, how much water, electricity would you use and think about ways that you can protect the environment and can contribute to the financial effectiveness of your business."

 

[persianista]

Sorry, We don't normally help with homework assignments.

 

[Ambience]

Why is that persianista?! Sustainability doesn't stop at homework! It is part of our industry!

 

[persianista]

Nope, it is an individual's decision on how they run their life and/or their workplace. People run salons perfectly happily without worrying about eco stuff. It's your homework, not mine!

 

[Ambience]

No where in the rules of this forum does it say anything about not being allowed to post questions which answers may help to put together homework! If you're not interested in helping, then don't waste your time replying with unhelpful comments! Clearly you are just wanting to raise your post count!

 

[The Geek]

There is no specific rule about not helping with homework. Even if there were, it wouldn't work as it would only apply to people who prefaced their question with "This is for homework".

Saying that, note that some people may not answer threads on principal if they feel the poster is trying to get the site to do their homework for them

Ok.... preamble done!

Beauty is not my area of strength. All I can contribute is that you won't find a product that is chemical free. That is because every single thing you can see or touch (except light and electricity) is a chemical. I know you are referring to synthetic materials verus all natural, but it is a valid and very good point. Especially as all natural substances are far more likely to cause skin reactions than synthetic substances

I don't know of any "all natural" beauty products on the market. That doesn't mean that there aren't - it just means that I am not aware of any. There are many products adopting a green stance by using less fragrances and more recyclable packaging. There are also a lot of products trying to pass off as "all natural" which are not (by any convention).

Hope this helps!

 

[Natalieabdn]

Hello!

I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions!

As part of a report, I have to design my own beauty salon and how it would contribute to the environment. For example, source products that have recyclable packaging, or products that are entirely natural and chemical free.

Do anyone have any ideas that they would like to put forward?! Also, does anyone know of any products that are entirely natural and chemical free?! Or what would be best to use in an environmental friendly salon?! It doesn't have to be about products, it can be about any aspect of the business!

Thank you for your time!

You could search the internet......what would we do without it eh ?:lol:

Search Avada and see what comes up, I have not personally used the range so can't comment but I'm sure they foloow the route you are after x

 

[Ambience]

There is no specific rule about not helping with homework. Even if there were, it wouldn't work as it would only apply to people who prefaced their question with "This is for homework".

Saying that, note that some people may not answer threads on principal if they feel the poster is trying to get the site to do their homework for them

Ok.... preamble done!

Beauty is not my area of strength. All I can contribute is that you won't find a product that is chemical free. That is because every single thing you can see or touch (except light and electricity) is a chemical. I know you are referring to synthetic materials verus all natural, but it is a valid and very good point. Especially as all natural substances are far more likely to cause skin reactions than synthetic substances

I don't know of any "all natural" beauty products on the market. That doesn't mean that there aren't - it just means that I am not aware of any. There are many products adopting a green stance by using less fragrances and more recyclable packaging. There are also a lot of products trying to pass off as "all natural" which are not (by any convention).

Hope this helps!

Thank you very much for your reply! You made some very interesting points!

My report has been ongoing since before Christmas and it is not something which can be completed without research from different sources! I have searched online, in books, spoken to various people, and I thought it would be a good idea to post a thread on this forum asking for suggestions as I was sure there are members who may be able to advise me who are more knowledgable on the subject than myself!

Especially as all natural substances are far more likely to cause skin reactions than synthetic substances

Did you mean that natural substances are far less likely to cause skin reactions?! If not, I don't understand why natural substances would be favoured to synthetic substances!

 

[Ambience]

You could search the internet......what would we do without it eh ?:lol:

Search Avada and see what comes up, I have not personally used the range so can't comment but I'm sure they foloow the route you are after x

Thank you very much for your reply!

I did come across Avada while surfing for information!

Like The Geek said, nothing is chemical free, except light and electricity! And I don't know enough about ingredients in products to know if the chemicals are harmful or not! I am finding it difficult to decide which range would be best! If it was my salon, I would be happy using Dermalogica!

 

[The Geek]

Natural substances are actually far more likely to cause adverse skin reactions than synthetic substances.

Keep in mind that allergic reactions usually manifest from repeated overexposure.

Time yourself to come up with 10 synthetic allergens (I can come up with a few off the top of my head). Now time yourself coming up with 10 'all natural' allergens substances like latex, pollen, mould, mildew, poison ivy, nickel, etc.... are all are VERY HIGH allergens and are ALL NATURAL!

Often this is down to concentration and exposure. To make only one tiny once of rose oil it takes many, many pounds worth of rose petals. So exposing yourself to one ounce of all natural rose oil is the equivalent of rubbing buckets worth of rose petals in one area of your skin.

Now, what about all natural products containing no preservatives?

Preservatives are 'evil' and all 'unnatural'. However if you don't have preservatives in your beauty products, they will go all funk in a matter of days. Is it really so important that we have all natural products if it means that after a week they are all 'funked' with "all natural" mold growing on them?

Fuse the best of nature and the best of science. Thats my view anyway

 

[Velveteen]

While I would disagree with the statement regarding natural versus synthetic substances, sustainability isn't about going chemical free or totally green but finding out what works for you and the environment in your business.

Not all preservatives are synthetic. Nor does it take days for a non preserved product to funk. It does depend on the ingredients used and how they are used. No one in their right mind who knows anything about aromatherapy would expose themselves to neat rose oil never mind an ounce of it. It's very possible to make and use an all natural beauty product that does not have synthetic preservatives.

The light and electricity we use is not chemical free either. However, sustainability asks that we utilise light and electricity in a way that benefits our environment. This could mean switching off lights, opting for an electricity provider that doesn't use coal....etc.

As a poster has mentioned, Aveda have a very good sustainability system they run in their business as does MV Skincare, Farm Aesthetics and Vani-T.

You may want to attempt to contact some of these organisations with a few questions as to how they went about achieving sustainability in their business.

Good luck

 

[The Geek]

Even Aveda uses parabens to prevent funked products.

Sustainability isn't about chemical free, my discussion point being that you can't get chemical free nor would you want to. My posts were about chemical versus natural to debunk the myth that synthetic is somehow evil. In general people are more likely to have skin reactions from exposure to naturally occurring versus synthetic material hence the point about the rose oil. If you disagree, discuss

 

[izzidoll]

I think I will sidestep the natural v synthetic debate at the moment....but you may find an article in this months Scratch magazine Scratch Magazine - The Forum for Nail Professionals

Interesting for your research as it is about OPI's flagship salon just opened, and it is based on being eco friendly.
Even if you don't subscribe to this magazine I am sure you could phone them and ask for a copy of this months just for that article.......or maybe someone with more techno knowledge than me can scan it and post on here.
HTH

 

[izzidoll]

There is no specific rule about not helping with homework. Even if there were, it wouldn't work as it would only apply to people who prefaced their question with "This is for homework".

Saying that, note that some people may not answer threads on principal if they feel the poster is trying to get the site to do their homework for them
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I don't want to take this thread off topic Sam....but!

It definitely is an unwritten law on here that we should not do homework for people ...there are countless threads and blogs about this!!
Some geeks have been very curt and rude to people (IMO) who have posted asking for help with assigments over the years. Because of this I tend to avoid these threads altogether even though I do think this is a grey area and some students can be helped and pointed in the right direction instead of it just being a blanket rule of "we don't do homework".
New geeks coming on to the site will have seen this and carry it on when they answer 'homework' posts too. I am sure it must have put off loads of potential geeks off ever coming back to this site having been dismissed in their very first post.

Maybe it is time to give a definitive answer to this issue and put it into the Geek Commandments for all to read and be clear about?

 

[naturalnails]

We have been discussing this very thing this morning and we dont actually know where it has come from.

We believe that a couple of years ago we all got really fed up with people posting verbatim homework questions and asking for the answers - answers, not pointers. So it just became a sort of unwritten rule that we would help with pointing in the right direction but we would not give out and out answers.

We are part of peoples research and so it should be but not to the point of helping those who have not tried to help themselves.

I don't want to take this thread off topic Sam....but!

It definitely is an unwritten law on here that we should not do homework for people ...there are countless threads and blogs about this!!
Some geeks have been very curt and rude to people (IMO) who have posted asking for help with assigments over the years. Because of this I tend to avoid these threads altogether even though I do think this is a grey area and some students can be helped and pointed in the right direction instead of it just being a blanket rule of "we don't do homework".
New geeks coming on to the site will have seen this and carry it on when they answer 'homework' posts too. I am sure it must have put of loads of potential geeks off ever coming back to this site having been dismissed in their very first post.

Maybe it is time to give a definitive answer to this issue and put it into the Geek Commandments for all to read and be clear about?

 

[The Geek]

I 'get it' if people assume (rightly or wrongly) that a poster is simply trying to get the site to do their homework and therefore they choose NOT to post a reply.

However I would hope that those that did post would do so constructively: Either help, lead to, or discuss the issue. Not just send them away to search the internet (which will generally bring them right back here!).

Anyhoo - those are just my thoughts. Though the Geek Commandments are still holding strong, they need an overhaul and as such is on the "to do" list for the mass upgrade that is being worked on.

 

[weezie]

Even Aveda uses parabens to prevent funked products.

Yes, this is an interesting read:

http://eco-chick.com/2008/11/1645/are-aveda-products-as-safe-and-natural-as-they-claim/

I am happy with parabens in products though so it wouldn't worry me. I trained with Aveda at my beauty school though and found the products not to be that great, interestingly the sensitive skin line had the most irritating ingredients in them.

We can all do our best to recycle, especially card board delivery boxes and wrapping but unfortunately a lot of the waste from a salon is contaminated so can't be recycled. I use Gerards skin care and they do refills on many of their retail products to limit waste.