TPTW.ARE OUR MOD's UP TO DO THE JOB FULLY

[collin]

Ok so thats gotten your attention :hug:

But now that you'r here spare a mo

Please remember this is a Thought Provoking Thread topic and not a APT(argument prevoking Thread) and neither is this my opinion ,nor meant as a contentious issue or directed at any singular individuals or the site as a whole...but mearly one for TPW....so lets see if we can discuss as adults.

just by reading through some threads and with some rescent TPI (thought provoking Issues) that have come up of late makes me wonder.

Just from the limited time I have been sticking my generously sized nose into this site I have seen a significant increase in the topics discussed.

I am aware this once was simply a nail site however that changed to include other aspects of the beauty sector and what a good move that has been as so much infomation across so many disciplins can now be passed onto the needy.

It has been intrestng to see the skin section growing considerably and in particular waxing seems to be frequently apearing ....somehow the Hair section could do with some growth(forgive the pun)

Now then ....once a nail site and policed by the dedicated Mod'sthat kept things moving in the right direction however from what I understand all mod's are from a nail orientated background.

Would it be benifical if there was at least one Mod with a backround reflective of each category type?

Would this perhaps make the sectors that are the weaker group on the site (i.E. holistics,hair,skin) more incline to get involved as they would feel they have someone in the background with experiance within their specific field or wouldn't it realy make any difference.

In other words if you took a traffic Policeman off the high streets of Tokyo city and stuck him on Oxford Street in London to direct the traffic ...would he be as effective as a Bobby???

remember guy's the question is not contenciouse but mearly a TPT so can we please keep things topicle and relevent :hug::hug:

 

[1999judy]

We had a "hair" mod but unfortunately she had to leave.

 

[wowbb]

I know the MODs are there to make sure we all behave in a professional way on this site so there should not be any knowledge of the respective industry required.

However with the threads going quite deep into the individual subjects I think it would be great if there was MODS or Mod assistents in the background that specialise on that particular subject to monitor, guide and advice not only on general issues but also industry or subject related issues.

Having said this it might already be the case? All we see is the MODS online but we dont know if they have someone advising on subject related issues already?

 

[1999judy]

I know the MODs are there to make sure we all behave in a professional way on this site so there should not be any knowledge of the respective industry required.

However with the threads going quite deep into the individual subjects I think it would be great if there was MODS or Mod assistents in the background that specialise on that particular subject to monitor, guide and advice not only on general issues but also industry or subject related issues.

Having said this it might already be the case? All we see is the MODS online but we dont know if they have someone advising on subject related issues already?

We have a site of thousands of geeks to offer advice on certain subjects.
The mods have enough work to do already.
Why would mods have to be the only/main people to give advice??

 

[adelekeegan1]

But surely Mods are there just to keep the site civilized and in order.

I don't think it matters what their background is - posting in the wrong forum or bad/rude behaviur is the same whatever your speciality........isn't it ?

 

[ValencianNails]

Now then ....once a nail site and policed by the dedicated Mod'sthat kept things moving in the right direction however from what I understand all mod's are from a nail orientated background.
Sassy is a Skin Geek as well as being a Nail Geek.

Would it be benifical if there was at least one Mod with a backround reflective of each category type?
I can't personally see the benefit of that, moderators are here to ensure the site runs as smoothly as possible and to sort out any problems that arise.

Would this perhaps make the sectors that are the weaker group on the site (i.E. holistics,hair,skin) more incline to get involved as they would feel they have someone in the background with experiance within their specific field or wouldn't it realy make any difference.
I don't think it really makes any difference.

In other words if you took a traffic Policeman off the high streets of Tokyo city and stuck him on Oxford Street in London to direct the traffic ...would he be as effective as a Bobby???
Directing traffic is directing traffic is directing traffic, regardless of which country it's done in, moderating is moderating is moderating, regardless of which forum it's done on.
The big difference on this site is that you're lucky enough to have a kickazz moderating team who listen to both sides and do their best to make this a fab place to visit and be a part of :wink2:

That's my take on it anyway :green:

 

[JANEY K]

I have not been on the site that long and i thought there was a MOD for each subject ...
on the whole i agree with the thread that you need MOD's to guide,advise,correct and make sure we are all behaving..but saying this we are adults and should behave in a professional way .

it would be great if there was more volunteers to act as MODS or Mod assistants in the background but the MOD's do have other more pressing matters to attend to and work perfectly well as it is,

Isn't this is what the site is all about ...We are all professionally trained and qualified in the industry whether it's nails\hair\skin\business studies\holistics and we do specialize on that particular subject to help out everyone new,old and in-training.

What i good thread and a good point.

 

[Katelisa]

no, because the mods arent here to say whats right and wrong as far as our chosen industries go, but to police what is morally / socially acceptible to say on the site.

there are plenty of highly qualified and experienced 'experts' in all fields that are always happy to help.

the mod squad works perfectly well as it is. and as has already been said, we are adults and should be able to express opinions etc without war breaking out and a mod needing to step in.

I think not only are the mods here to 'protect' us, they are there to protect the reputation of the site and make sure there will be no legal issues with whats being said.

 

[VHunter]

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The mods are doing a FINE job. Considering that they are first and foremost UNPAID VOLUNTEERS, who give of themselves, and their time (which they could always choose to devote elsewhere such as to their families, themselves, their business...) to ensure the efficient running of this site....

I've been a member of many forums.
I have yet to see a single forum run as smoothly as this one. I have yet to see one that is as warm and as engaging, and caring.
The members, mods included, are a special breed here.

I have nothing to suggest to make it run better, in so far as the mods are concerned.
Not kissing butt... but having been in their position before, I don't envy them. It's a VERY hard job!

:hug:

 

[naturalnails]

Very thought provoking thread there Collin - as a skin geek have you been put on this earth to deal with the top surface or to try and get underneath - well you are doing a grand job LOL.

As moderators we are here to mainly uphold the rules of the site as in the Geek Commandments - here for all if you need refreshing - http://www.salongeek.com/how-do-stuff-site/31101-commandments-geek.html.

Just a few:

1 - Thou shalt post constructively.

Make your posts have a positive point. Posting just to complain without an effort to turn something positive or posting just to say 'is that so?' is a waste of reading space.

What does this one matter whether you are nail, skin or hair!

2 - Thou shalt not use thy forum to troll.

This is not the place to bitch and moan about proper nouns (i.e. People or companies). That doesn't mean that you can't debate, question or raise a valid point. It means that I don't want to see threads about how x sucks. See this article on constructively trolling to complain in a constructive way.

What does this one matter whether you are nail, skin or hair!

3 - Thou shalt Private Message if thy post is for one person.

Posts like 'hey sally, give me a buzz' is like texting 10,000 people in hopes that one of them will be the person you are trying to talk to. If your message is for 1 person, PM it. If its for more, post it!

What does this one matter whether you are nail, skin or hair!

I hope you get the gist.

We also have moderators assistants - you all are to a certain extent - if you see something which you think is against the rules then report it to us.

We are not perfect, well some of us are LOL and sometimes we might miss the little nuances of little jokes here and there but on the whole I think we do a damned good job.

 

[collin]

Before we go to far off the point being raised here and just as a reminder..this isnt at all about how well the existing mod's police the sites at all and not just about implementaion of the basic rules themselves.

A moderator not only acts as such and implements site rules but also gets involved in topic threads as a geek...

There are different types of threads here from specific tecno topics as well as general life ones and of course the har de har ones.

It is good when a mod is involved in a thread particularly a tecno one and I see this happening frequently on the later threads mentioned above as well as specific nail ones offering advice which is clearly apreciated by the recipricant.

In other words from a site which has developed from one specific nail topic to a diverse one covering many aspects of this industry........would it therefore bring "added" benift to threads that are non nail specific if the moderation team was increased to include ones from a diverse background?

 

[collin]

Very thought provoking thread there Collin - as a skin geek have you been put on this earth to deal with the top surface or to try and get underneath - well you are doing a grand job LOL.

Glad to be helping along the TPTW theme..do you think I will be one of the 10 lucky prize winners

If the topic posted is read in the right light and thought through to the long term onward development of the site... it might just be a good contender :hug:

 

[wowbb]

I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding as the thread wasnt about whether the Mods are doing a good job or not. I think we all agree that the mods are indeed doing a fantastic job and i dread to think where we would be without them.

Yes we are all professionals and should be able to express opinions as adults but strangely enough there is a lot of posts and threads where the mods have to invervene because the subject and /or language does in one form or another go against the basic rules (not only of the site but of polite and adequate human behaviour).

However there is some threads were misunderstandings are caused because the Mods are not deeply involved in that subject and judge comments as being "advertising" or "off the mark" when it was a joke and vice versa.

In no way am I implying the mods should give advice on the actual subject as that is what the forum is for everybody else to exchange views but I do think that background knowledge of a certain subject can help to assess whether the comments are relevant?:hug:

 

[naturalnails]

We did have a Hair Geek who was a moderator for a while. It did not work out as it was very frustrating for her because loads of people were answering hair related threads who were not qualified hair geeks.

One of the major problems with the site is that there are not many people who do their own nails who are not nail geeks. Well they leave pretty quickly if they do! However there are numerous people who do their own hair and cleanse and tone their own faces etc.

If someone asks a question about say the best shampoo to use on coloured hair - loads of people will answer based on their personal experience - whether they are hair geeks or not as we all wash our hair - well most of us LOL - does this go in hair geek or in chit chat - this is our problem - it upsets the hair geeks when these posts are left in hair geek.

There is a similar scenario in the skin geek forum.

This could be a never ending problem - if we chose a skin geek to join the moderator team, do we pick a tanner, a waxer, a facialist - surely to satisfy every eventuality we need one from all three.

Then with hair - do we want a colourist, or a cutter or both?

IMO you do not need to be a moderator to be able to answer threads in a positive and helpful way.

In some ways those moderators who are not fully involved in any particular area have it easier because they can look at the bigger picture and dont get bogged down by the technology - bs is bs whether it is about nails breathing or whatever.

 

[tonilee]

We have a site of thousands of geeks to offer advice on certain subjects.
The mods have enough work to do already.
Why would mods have to be the only/main people to give advice??

Here here!! A grand job is being done, and for no financial gain too, I take my hat off to all the mods, doing a grand job as it is. Mwwwwah to the mods!!:green:

 

[collin]

We did have a Hair Geek who was a moderator for a while. It did not work out as it was very frustrating for her because loads of people were answering hair related threads who were not qualified hair geeks.

That is a shame...but just beacuse that particular arrangement didnt work out that doesnt nessesarily mean a similar scenario would not work out in the future.

Maybe Hippy Chick could make a wonderfull mode..she could always cast a spell on someone miss behaving...not a cynical remark but one which apropriatly sums up the whole point here :hug:

When salon Geek took the inspired step to open up as a site to be utolised by all disciplines within the beauty industry I guess a number of existing geeks may have embraced the change however some may have thought that the site was no longer what it used to be,,,

However as more and more started to come onto the site and skin/hair etc related postings started to appear this must have been most satisfying to those that made the descision to make the change...well done guy's :hug:

As each day passes there are more and more "off nail" topics being discussed.:idea:

Within these varying discaplins do come different attitudes as to what is acceptable and what isnt,,...thats outside of the basic site rules of course....I.E. a nail geek may find it offensive in an intimate waxing thread in so far as what is being discussed...yet to the waxer this is quiet normal.

In just the last 6 months this site has developed and progressed to cover and explore completly virgin territory topics which have never been discussed in the past.

The diversity of the Proffesionals who pass on their hard learned skills is considerable and world beating and is attracting more as each day passes..

The upshot seemingly making the site a good refrence point to a vast audiance all seeking "specific" assistance within a diverse subject matter.:idea:

With the changes in topics discussed just over this short time one has to wonder where it will be and what it is that is being discussed in a number of years from now.:hug:

 

[Bagpuss]

I am a geek first and foremost so will participate in threads as a geek...as a mod i just tidy things up and put things in their right place....being a mod has made me a better geek as i now have to be seen to follow the rules that i didn't see as being that important before....i realise now that they are all important and there are good reasons for these rules.

I hate the term police the site...I don't see it like that...prefer cleaning lady...:lol:

I think there are instances where a hair...skin...mod would come in handy...but as a whole being a mod is about being impartial so it wouldn't make much difference as to how a thread went.

Hey Colin...are you putting your name up for any future mod positions....???

 

[adelekeegan1]

So where are all these Mods going to come from ?

As I understand it Sam appoints all mods personally, based on personality, ability to take a rational view etc.

The site has been opened up to other professions and I assume in time, if Sam sees fit and finds someone suitable, mods will be appointed from other than nail areas.

I think, as I know many others do, that it is great as it is. Moderators are just that - here to moderate......or do you think a tanning moderator would be more lenient to you Collin or a waxing Mod more lenient to a wax,sac and crack thread ?

 

[Cathie!]

I think the mods do a grand job.

I don't really see that we need to have a moderator for each area of the site as we have many people here who are very experienced and offer advice.

Are you saying Collin that because someone is a moderator then their advice is seen as better than someone who isn't?

I think we have a lot more nail geeks on here, as you said it started as a nail site and maybe that's why. We don't see a lot of educators for hair and skin (apart from tanning) and maybe that's because hair and beauty therapy education generally begins at college with NVQ....could be totally wrong, but I have come to find that unless you have an NVQ in beauty or hair, you won't be able to get a job in the industry....shorter courses don't count for much there.

Anyways, I digress but I don't think mods need to be experts in a specific field, they have qualities that enable the site to run smoothly.

 

[*JOANNE*]

the mods we have on here do a flippin good job, i dont feel the need to have anymore unless needed due to the size of the number of members or the mods themselves want more help and more mods.
As for having a mod for specific section ie, hair skin etc what would the need be......when any other section has a thread opened we usually know who the knowledgable geeks are for that specific area, and for the those that dont know who they are...then they are pointed in the right direction.
if mods are just needed for their specific knowledge and area, then surely it would become to satuarated with mods...too many chiefs not enough indians/ too many cooks in the kitchen......
geeks with knowledge will answer threads whether they are mods or not...or is it a case of if i am not a mod with all my knowledge then i aint gonna answer threads.....???????? is that what is ment ?????

as for the hair section not being as busy as other sections....maybe thats down to there being a small percentage of hair geeks to the percentage of skin or nail geeks...nothing more

collin do you feel we need mods who specialise in each specific area ??????????? maybe a little or you wouldnt have started the thread :wink2:

if you where asked to be a mod....would you accept collin !!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you think you would make a good mod