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My brother is a qualified dentist and he always says those teeth whitening companies that come to beauty shows or general beauty therapists who do them are not qualified. It is a very loong time to study this profession and you can't simply be certified to do such thing if your not a dentist!i only get my teeth whitening from my brother although I dnt do it anymore as it lasts an does give abit of sensitivity. So go to a qualified dental practitioner if you want this done not a beauty therapist who offers at ur local tannin salon!;)
 
I'm a GDC registered specialist dental nurse.

I'm not allowed to put my hands in a patient's mouth and I'm certainly not allowed to carry out this procedure.

OK, being able to say you've carried out 1000's of treatments is great, but what happens when something goes wrong? Does the 'client' come back to you to so you can remedy the problem or do they end up being a 'patient' at their dental practice or emergency room?

I have nursed for many whitening treatments and can tell you all about the various products, procedures, risks etc, but if I were to attempt to whiten someone's teeth I could be struck off the register.

It is really frustrating that non dental professionals can whiten teeth after doing a short training course. I have had to some pretty intensive training to do what I do, but no dental company would consider training me to whiten teeth and I'm not surprised, there is too much at stake.


I do feel a little bit like this is a waste of a post, because those are going to whiten teeth will still whiten teeth, because people like us are just ranting and being dramatic.

Hay ho.
 
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I'm a GDC registered dental nurse.

I'm not allowed to put my hands in a patient's mouth and I'm certainly not allowed to carry out this procedure.

OK, being able to say you've carried out 1000's of treatments is great, but what happens when something goes wrong? Does the 'client' come back to you to so you can remedy the problem or do they end up being a 'patient' at their dental practice or emergency room?

I have nursed for many whitening treatments and can tell you all about the various products, procedures, risks etc, but if I were to attempt to whiten someone's teeth I could be struck off the register.

It is really frustrating that non dental professionals can whiten teeth after doing a short training course. I have had to some pretty intensive training to do what I do, but no dental company would consider training me to whiten teeth and I'm not surprised, there is too much at stake.


I do feel a little bit like this is a waste of a post, because those are going to whiten teeth will still whiten teeth, because people like us are just ranting and being dramatic.

Hay ho.

Not a waste of a post at all hun... You have reaffirmed my opinion that I would only ever go to my Dentist for treatment on my teeth :) I would be way too scared to risk anything less! Even dentists can get it wrong.. So I know I'd much rather be in more qualified hands. Our teeth are too precious IMO! X
 
I'm a GDC registered dental nurse.

I'm not allowed to put my hands in a patient's mouth and I'm certainly not allowed to carry out this procedure.

OK, being able to say you've carried out 1000's of treatments is great, but what happens when something goes wrong? Does the 'client' come back to you to so you can remedy the problem or do they end up being a 'patient' at their dental practice or emergency room?

I have nursed for many whitening treatments and can tell you all about the various products, procedures, risks etc, but if I were to attempt to whiten someone's teeth I could be struck off the register.

It is really frustrating that non dental professionals can whiten teeth after doing a short training course. I have had to some pretty intensive training to do what I do, but no dental company would consider training me to whiten teeth and I'm not surprised, there is too much at stake.


I do feel a little bit like this is a waste of a post, because those are going to whiten teeth will still whiten teeth, because people like us are just ranting and being dramatic.

Hay ho.

Thanks so much for your post!

The more professionals who come forward to highlight the sheer ignorance in this industry of the law and guidelines the better!

Thanks again and keep posting!
 
i own a beauty salon and i wouldn't dream of offering this treatment in my salon for the simple reason that if something went wrong i would be taken to the cleaners....imagine the implications of damaging someones teeth.:eek:

i think it's crazy...if you want a procedure done which involves your teeth go to a dentist.
 
Someone in my area does mobile teeth whitening & charges £49, asif that wouldnt instantly put you off :eek:

God knows if she's qualified or not but she used to do spray tanning.

Id rather walk round with manky yellow teeth than book with her tbh x

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I wouldn't ever let anybody other than a dentist carry out procedures on my teeth.

The salon I used to work in carried out teeth whitening. One of the staff, who is a therapist the same as me, was in the process of being sued. I don't know the ins and outs of it because she wasn't really supposed to discuss it but she was a nervous wreck over it.

She told me she never wanted to do the training, one of our bosses insisted she did it, against her better judgement and sure enough a problem arose and she was consequently having dealings with solicitors and the like. This was about 2 yrs ago and I have no idea what the outcome was.

I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't allow anyone to rent a room from me doing it and I'm totally against it.

Interestingly when I was at Olympia the teeth whitening stand was dead. They were trying to pull in the crowd by telling us no peroxide was used and still people weren't interested.

Knowing what most of us do now should surely be enough to put anyone off doing these treatments. It still amazes me that people think its ok for beauty therapists or non dentists to carry out teeth whitening.

Dentists wouldn't condone anyone other than dentists to carry out teeth whitening. If anyone seriously believes that a dentist would give it the ok for a non dentist to perform teeth whitening then they need to think again.
 
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Even most reputable dentists do not like doing teeth whitening because they know is destroys tooth enamel ... Mine wont do it because of the deleterious effects. HE TOLD ME HE DID NOT BECOME A DENTIST SO he could get money for damaging peoples' teeth..
 
It the ignorance of people that hold me time and time again! People need to research research research their industry before offering a treatment.

'It doesn't contain peroxide' wont stand up in court against the GDC who will have the best lawyers an funds available.

Why would anyone risk their career and potentially a criminal conviction?! And for £49 a pop... REALLY?
 
Not a waste of a post at all hun... You have reaffirmed my opinion that I would only ever go to my Dentist for treatment on my teeth :) I would be way too scared to risk anything less! Even dentists can get it wrong.. So I know I'd much rather be in more qualified hands. Our teeth are too precious IMO! X

Thank you! Let's hope more people start thinking like this.

Thanks so much for your post!

The more professionals who come forward to highlight the sheer ignorance in this industry of the law and guidelines the better!

Thanks again and keep posting!

Thank you BotoxBoy. I don't often get involved in big topics like this, because I'm always wary of threads going 'bad'! I had to post something here though.

i own a beauty salon and i wouldn't dream of offering this treatment in my salon for the simple reason that if something went wrong i would be taken to the cleaners....imagine the implications of damaging someones teeth.:eek:

i think it's crazy...if you want a procedure done which involves your teeth go to a dentist.

Exactly!

Someone in my area does mobile teeth whitening & charges £49, asif that wouldnt instantly put you off :eek:

God knows if she's qualified or not but she used to do spray tanning.

Id rather walk round with manky yellow teeth than book with her tbh x

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No words for this!!

I wouldn't ever let anybody other than a dentist carry out procedures on my teeth.

The salon I used to work in carried out teeth whitening. One of the staff, who is a therapist the same as me, was in the process of being sued. I don't know the ins and outs of it because she wasn't really supposed to discuss it but she was a nervous wreck over it.

Knowing what most of us do now should surely be enough to put anyone off doing these treatments. It still amazes me that people think its ok for beauty therapists or non dentists to carry out teeth whitening.

Dentists wouldn't condone anyone other than dentists to carry out teeth whitening. If anyone seriously believes that a dentist would give it the ok for a non dentist to perform teeth whitening then they need to think again.


It the ignorance of people that hold me time and time again! People need to research research research their industry before offering a treatment.

'It doesn't contain peroxide' wont stand up in court against the GDC who will have the best lawyers an funds available.

Why would anyone risk their career and potentially a criminal conviction?! And for £49 a pop... REALLY?

As consumers, we are brainwashed into buying.
As professionals we should research(ref BotoxBoy) and only sell what we believe in and not just try to make a fast buck. Clients do put themselves in our hands and trust that we are knowledgable and not ripping them off. Some might do their research, but on the whole they come to us for advice and professionalism. This shouldn't be taken advantage of.

I know we can do short courses on almost anything these days, get a pretty certificate and are told we're insured, but like BotoxBoy says the GDC will have the best lawyers, so is it really worth the risk?

Next we'll hear that beauty therapists are cleaning teeth. I mean, it's only cleaning teeth. What can be so difficult about that?

Sorry, this post isn't too articulate. I didn't realise there were more replies after mine and didn't want to read and run (Also I'm having a cake induced hangover from my niece's 3rd birthday party yesterday. 8 kids + cake + jelly + balloons = some kind of bonkers madness and a big fat mess!)
 
Round my way some of the mums hold teeth whitening parties!! Omg how can people be so naive? It's like letting a hairdresser operate on you!!!
 
Round my way some of the mums hold teeth whitening parties!! Omg how can people be so naive? It's like letting a hairdresser operate on you!!!

I'd love to have a conversation with her. No malice intended. I am curious to know how and why she ended up offering the service.
 
I'd love to have a conversation with her. No malice intended. I am curious to know how and why she ended up offering the service.

Just bloody stupid if you ask me. My friend was even going to go to a tanning shop and get her teeth whitened !! How do these places get away with offering services they have no real training in?
 
Just bloody stupid if you ask me. My friend was even going to go to a tanning shop and get her teeth whitened !! How do these places get away with offering services they have no real training in?

That's what I'd like to know.

I nearly started renting a room in a gym last month. After showing me around the owner told me that she'd taken on whitening recently and proudly went on to go through the procedure. I was pretty surprised and had to stop her and tell her about my background. She wasn't phased and carried on gushing about how she's getting busier with it. I don't think she realised I was surprised.

She has no beauty background, she owns a gym..and she now whitens teeth. :eek:

Maybe the whitening companies that train people to take on their systems don't even mention the GDC, potential risks, litigation etc. I don't know.

I left there feeling a bit strange actually and glad that I stumbled across the lovely little salon that I'm now in. We research everything and take advice from each other. Everything is done by the book.
 
That's what I'd like to know.

I nearly started renting a room in a gym last month. After showing me around the owner told me that she'd taken on whitening recently and proudly went on to go through the procedure. I was pretty surprised and had to stop her and tell her about my background. She wasn't phased and carried on gushing about how she's getting busier with it. I don't think she realised I was surprised.

She has no beauty background, she owns a gym..and she now whitens teeth. :eek:

Maybe the whitening companies that train people to take on their systems don't even mention the GDC, potential risks, litigation etc. I don't know.

I left there feeling a bit strange actually and glad that I stumbled across the lovely little salon that I'm now in. We research everything and take advice from each other. Everything is done by the book.

Ultimately though its the consumers that increase the demand for it. Everyone nowadays wants Hollywood film star looks at Peckham market prices!
 
Ultimately though its the consumers that increase the demand for it. Everyone nowadays wants Hollywood film star looks at Peckham market prices!

Very true.
 
Someone in my area does mobile teeth whitening & charges £49, asif that wouldnt instantly put you off :eek:

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I've just seen someone charging £39 on a well known community website!
 
Teeth whitening is classed as a dental procedure. It is illegal for non registered dental practitioners such as a dental nurse or a dentist registered with the GDC.

It's nothing to do with the product. If you apply something to someone's teeth to whiten them in a salon etc then this is a dental treatment. This is illegal.

I have personally written to the General Dental Council who have confirmed this. Not only this, they also informed they are stepping up the momentum on prosecutions and looking for more businesses like yours to make examples of!

If I was doing these treatments and was not a dentist I'd be very concerned.

I have taken advice from 2 Barristers, Trading Standards and my MP.

The law has not changed; people were being prosecuted back in 2006 but nothing happened. The reason being that it is not illegal. The GDC state on their site that they BELIEVE or CONSIDER it is, but these are not legal or factual statements.

My colleague also contacted the GDC and all they kept say was they believed it was so.

I applaud any body who stops illegal or harmful practice. But I believe the GDC need to look in its own back yard and clear their backlog of cases.

GDC fails to monitor dentists' breaches | QCS Care Management

If a beautician chooses to use illegal products like the dentist or purports to be dentists they deserve to be prosecuted as in the recent cases.

Most people have turned a blind eye to dentists who have been breaking the law for 20 years by using peroxide over 0.1% and also fail to obtain informed consent from their patients (from the consent forms I have checked) for the use of illegal substances being used on them.

Does this mean there is a two tier legal system?

I prefer to use legal products tested by trading standards and that hold a product safety certificate. I was also trained at an Ofted registered college and have written a research paper on tooth whitening.

Can anyone tell me what cosmetics beauticians cannot use as per the EU legal definition? I cannot think of any.

Definition of Beauty therapist: (Business / Professions) a person whose job is to carry out treatments to improve a person's appearance such as facials manicures removal of unwanted hair etc.

2. THE LEGISLATIVE FRAMEWORK - SCOPE OF APPLICATION
2.1. The Cosmetics Directive
5. Art. 1(1) of the Cosmetic Directive defines “cosmetic product” as “any substance or preparation intended to be placed in contact with the various external parts of the human body (epidermis hair system nails lips and External genital organs) or with the teeth and the mucous membranes of the oral cavity with a view exclusively or mainly to cleaning them perfuming them changing their appearance and/or correcting body odours and/or protecting them or keeping them in good condition.”
6. The definition is thus based on two cumulative aspects I.e. The target site of application “placing on body/teeth/mucous membranes” and the “intendedmain (cosmetic) function” (I.e. Cleaning perfuming changing appearance correcting body odours protecting keeping in good condition).

Teeth whitening products were also confirmed as being 'cosmetics' on the 28th of June 2001 by the House of Lords ruling which took place in the case of Optident Limited and The Secretary of State for Trade and Industry. This means that they fall under the European Union Cosmetics Directive (implemented in the U.K. By the U.K. Cosmetic Products (safety) Regulations 1996. Tooth whitening is therefore legally a COSMETIC procedure and NOT a DENTAL one.

If/when the law changes hopefully our government will inform us in the proper manner not by scare mongering or making 'belief' statements.

Dental nurses etc., cannot carry out teeth whitening under GDC guidelines.

Beauticians and non-dentists are not regulated by the GDC.

As the dentist above stated, there are good dentists and bad dentists out there.

I got into the business as I wanted to something relaxing and stress free. Most of my customers are now recommends; many are from the medical profession. A number have also been horribly burned by their dentists and prefer our treatment as well as service. If I thought I was going to harm anyone I would not be in this business. I have also researched all the impacts on the human tooth with every product currently available.

I am not going to try and persuade people to get into the business, it is not everyone's cup of tea. The GDC have certainly done a good job to deter people. Their action may result in the reputable businesses being left in the market place. After all, who wants to run a business with the fear of prosecution hanging over them. I am sure I wouldn't.

I am due to retire shortly and do not need the money. I spend the rest of my time helping people protect their rights for free.
 
Teeth whitening is a dental procedure! Your info is out of date.

The GDC have recently prosecuted two big cases to the time of over £6000, could you afford that?

Insurance won't cover the cost if something goes wrong as the prosecution will draw the judges attention to the law, ie it is illegal for non dentists to whiten teeth.
As before, the GDCare stepping up their legal cases for non dentists whitening teeth.

It is irrelevant what the substance used contains.
 

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