CND secondary account???

[katiebbaby]

I am fully trained with CND and obviously place my orders through s2, I have a friend whom is not CND educated but was wanting to do MINX, she has contacted s2 whom have provided her with a secondary account to purchase these minx. My question is, I find it a bit unfair that people whom have not done a conversion with s2 could just set up a secondary account (as my friend has) and order from them, so therefore she is now able to buy files spa treatments polishes,mechandise stuff solar oil,etc basically everything except L&P and brisa??

Is this correct? I just feel until they do a conversion why should they be able to buy any CND products, when they only want minx iygwim. There is alot of nail techs out there whom are very sloppy on there prep etc but whom are still able to buy everything from cnd except there L&P, and they could then claim to be CND trained and to joe public they would not know diffrence just see CND products and posters and think oh yes they must be iygwim.

Sorry if this is not the case but, but as I believe this is what has happend in this instance and feel a bit let down

Can anyone clear this up??

 

[Klassy Klaws]

CND do not own Minx they are the distributers for it therefore it is available for people who are not CND trained buy as is other items like Enamels and Spa products.

They are not able however to buy any of the L&P or Brisa products unless they have done a conversion hths
:hug:

 

[katiebbaby]

Yes I do understand this and my question is why are they able to buy other cnd products and not JUST minx Iygwim,, xxx

 

[The Geek]

Minx and CND are two separate companies distributed in the UK by Sweet Squared. It is S2 that have the Secondary/Primary restriction. The restrictions are in place to prevent undereducated technicians posing a hazard to their customers by not working safely with certain systems. Many systems (i.e. Minx) do not have safety concerns in this same regard and as long as the person applying for the membership can prove they are a professional with training or a minimum level of working experience, then it would be wrong to force them to come to a course (which doesn't exist) to convert them to something like Minx.

FWIW, S2 are one of the only companies that even have restrictions in place on some of their lines.

 

[Bagpuss]

I thought we has cleared this up here http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/98397-minx-authorised-stockists.html

 

[catsaremad]

I for one am very grateful that Creative allow me to buy all there products except for the gels and L&P. S2 have some lovely products and thier customer service is exceptional. Now S2 do have a stipulation in place for all customers, they must at least hold a recognised qualification before you can buy the products and I beleive that you can only buy products equivalant to your qaulification. This ensures that S2 know that there products are going to qualified people who at the very least have an understanding of the natrual nail.

I did an NVQ2 in beauty therapy origionally in a college, I had no idea at this time about Creative and also was not planning on going into doing nails exlusively. Know that I have I honestly wish that I had gone exclusively with S2 for their training, I have been able to get one to one with Kate for popits and minx and I am saving up for my coversion courses.

As for how would customers know that you are creative trained, they can ask to see your certificates.

But also please remember that good old flea bay sell a huge amount of creative products and they can be sold to any joe blogg on the street.


mmmm think that all makes sense !

 

[katiebbaby]

Sorry I dont think I explained myself properly, My question was how come my friend whom is not CND educated or done a conversion can now purchase CND products ASWELL as minx. She can now purchase every CND product apart from L&P and gels, but why can she be allowed to purchase ANY cnd products ?? as I think this will lead to people selling these item on iygwim???

 

[catsaremad]

Hi back again ! S2 is not just about enhancements ! It provides exceptional quality products for natrual nail care and there will be may techs out there who do not do enhancements and want a quality product with all the accesories to go with it !
I can not think of one product company who insist that the technician can only buy natrual nail care items as long as they have done exclusively their manicure and pedicure training first.

As for selling on, that is unfortunately the name of the game for some people who are looking to make a fast buck, but as far as I am aware again S2 go to great lengths to 'find' these people and 'ban' them from buying their products !

 

[Vetty]

Sorry I dont think I explained myself properly, My question was how come my friend whom is not CND educated or done a conversion can now purchase CND products ASWELL as minx. She can now purchase every CND product apart from L&P and gels, but why can she be allowed to purchase ANY cnd products ?? as I think this will lead to people selling these item on iygwim???

As long as she has had nail education why shouldn't she be able to? Even though I am CND trained why shouldn't I use the OPI manicure range if I want to? Or the Young Nails abrasives? Or Pro Impressions tips? The restriction on buying CND products is only the enhancement products and that is to make sure that as a tech you are both working safely and getting most out of your products. Once you are signed off of a CND course you can call yourself a CND tech. The cost of the CND Conversion is cheaper than buying the kit of products!

I really don't understand your beef here - anyone could buy any product to sell on, whether we do or not is down to our own morals. It sounds a bit like sour grapes really IMO.

 

[Bagpuss]

Sorry I dont think I explained myself properly, My question was how come my friend whom is not CND educated or done a conversion can now purchase CND products ASWELL as minx. She can now purchase every CND product apart from L&P and gels, but why can she be allowed to purchase ANY cnd products ?? as I think this will lead to people selling these item on iygwim???

Minx is nothing to do with CND....

Why would Sweet Squared insist on someone doing a CND training course because someone wanted to buy enamel...??? applying enamel would have been covered in a basic manicure course...which is why Sweet Squared ask for a copy of your manicure cert.

Someone wanting to buy CND liquid and powder/gel is entirely different....not all products are applied in the same way and to get the best results from those products a course is required.

 

[katiebbaby]

Im sorry I did not know where state that she shoulnot be able to purchase minx, is was infact me whom gave her the telephone number. I just did not know that once she could purchase minx she could also purchase other products including cnd merchandise advertising etcm, which can be misleading to the public if displayed in shop.

I do know that there is a certain lady from a certain salon in liverpool who has trained a few people and has issued certificates, from nsi and creative whom is not authorised to do so my worry is if these people then get on to order from reptuable companys with bogus certs and with having the wrong education but think they are nsi or cnd educated, gives the brand a bad name. Sorry if I have not explained myself properley, and it certainly is not a case of sour grapes. xxx

 

[jayt]

Originally Posted by katiebbaby
Is this correct? I just feel until they do a conversion why should they be able to buy any CND products, when they only want minx iygwim. There is alot of nail techs out there whom are very sloppy on there prep etc but whom are still able to buy everything from cnd except there L&P, and they could then claim to be CND trained and to joe public they would not know diffrence just see CND products and posters and think oh yes they must be iygwim.



katiebbaby, Why do you assume that just because people have taken a different route of training that they will be Sloppy ? People who are CND trained could also be Sloppy and be using CND products.

I think that all techs have different standards, my idea of a good treatment may not be the same as anothers tech. All I am bothered with is that I do a good job for my client and that I am happy with the standards that I want to work too.

I am not CND trained but I am also in the process of setting up an account, as you say the product and service they supply are a very high standard so I am very much looking forward to working with them.

 

[Bagpuss]

There are bogus, dodgy cowboys in every proffesion...they never last long....people soon realise that they can talk the talk but cant walk the walk....they are kidding no-one but themselves.

The best thing you can do is forget about them and concentrate on your own buisness....

 

[geeg]

CND as you know do fabulous treatments for fingers and toes, natural or enhanced ... the S2 policy is to sell only to trained proessionals ... everyone knows that and that responsibility is not taken lightly. The products and treatments are there for any trained professional to purchase and rightly so ... why on earth would CND restrict the sale of enamels and treatments, mani and pedi products to professional manicurists or nail technicians ... Seems like you want an exclusive CND club and there is no need for that at all.

As far as enhancement products are concerned that has been explained several times so I won't go over it again. The reasons for classes in order too use these products are all too clear.

You can't expect S2 to plug up every avenue to market ... for rogue traders are there and they will always find a way ... why they bother I have no idea .. they can't make much out of it as they have to sell so much higher than the wholesale price for pro enhancement products.

S2 responsibly do the very best they can and a darned site better than anyone else I know of. No need to be miffed ... I'd get on with your own business and stop worrying about others' ... put your energy into what you do best and prosper. :hug:

 

[mary1981]

It's also excellent business sense to allow other qualified technicians to purchase both CND products and allow them to buy other products from the S2 shop. This encourages further business and training with S2 themselves. It's also good for technicians to be able to use the best from whatever brand they feel is best for their clients. I'm a young nails technician, but there is not the same amount of choice for some aspects, such as retail items, for example sensations lotions, or the fab new polish range. Just because i did not train at CND doesn't mean i would not be so good at using these products as someone else. I think its great that we have choices, i also just love reading the sweet sqaured catalogue lol, i always see something i have to buy!

 

[rouge]

Katiebbaby, I have one question. I'm qualified as a beauty therapist, which means I'm trained in mani/pedi. Why SHOULDN'T I be able to purchase items to perform a treatment I'm qualified to perform?

 

[Anna Lee]

I think what Katiebaby is trying to say is that supplying other techs with top end products like CND will give CND a bad name because they may not know how to use them. That they can buy marketing products and almost 'fool' the general public into thinking they are CND trained.

The thing is, Katiebaby is still relatively quite new into this industry and maybe she has missed some of the points that the more experienced tech knows.

Katiebaby, in every industry, not just nails, there are always people who are cowboys and who doesn't do the job properly. Even if S2 tighten their rules, these people will still managed to get it elsewhere whether it's from ebay or the back of a lorry.

The places where you see more of this happening are the discount stores where, for example ,they use liquid & powder and sell it to the public as 'powder gel'. We can't stop these things happening in the industry and these people will aways be there however much we complain and talk about them.

The procedure of using manicure and pedicure products are relatively the same across the industry. A soak is to soak nails, a scrub is to scrub hands, a cream is to moisturise. The only difference is what each individual brand/product is made out of. Top end brands like CND will do their research and use the best ingredients. As long as the tech is properly trained in using these products, then there really shouldn't be any reason why CND should turn them away.

As a newbie, I understand it must be extremely frustrating for you to be against competitions who blatantly claims to be something they are not, especially when you are trying to build a client base for yourself. But as you progress further into this industry, you will begin to understand that these people are not worth your worry because they will never be as good or as genuine as yourself.

But in order to not feel threaten by competition, you must first be very good at what you do. You must start with a right frame of mind and instead of worrying about what other people are doing, use the time instead to concentrate on yourself and what you are doing, up your own standards so that even if your next door neighbour can get hold of CND products, she will never be able to use it as good as you.

 

[katiebbaby]

Thankyou anna, I think you explained it perfectly for me. I did not mean to offend anybody. x