IBD gel cure times

[danielajessy]

hi again i have a problem i just buy ibd gel and i have a diferent lamp{not from ibd}it"s whit 4 bulbs whit 9wallts,can anyone tell me how much do i have to cure the gel whit this lamp?i try 2 mins but after 1day one nail came of,it can be from this problem or what can be?thanks

 

[magsham]

hi again i have a problem i just buy ibd gel and i have a diferent lamp{not from ibd}it"s whit 4 bulbs whit 9wallts,can anyone tell me how much do i have to cure the gel whit this lamp?i try 2 mins but after 1day one nail came of,it can be from this problem or what can be?thanks

Hi ya

Can i just ask if you've been trained in gel?

 

[akaza]

Hi!

I use IBD and have the same lamp as you....4, 9 Watt globes which equals 36 watts.

Off the top of my head IBD gel requires 32 watt lamp, so your lamp is more than sufficent.

Maybe the reason why a nail came off was because you didnt seal it off properly or because you sized your tip too small causing the whole nail to "pop off".

Hope this helps

x x

 

[ValencianNails]

i just buy ibd gel and i have a diferent lamp{not from ibd}it"s whit 4 bulbs whit 9wallts

I use IBD and have the same lamp as you....4, 9 Watt globes which equals 36 watts.

Off the top of my head IBD gel requires 32 watt lamp, so your lamp is more than sufficent.

The wattage doesn't have much to do with the curing process other that to tell you how much energy the lamp is using.

Get the correct lamp for the gel brand you're using and you shouldn't have any further problems.

http://www.salongeek.com/general-articles/35947-choosing-uv-lamp-your-gel-system.html

 

[Lou-Lorena]

IBD will cure under 4X 9watts bulbs , with no problem
It doesn't have to be a IBD lamp.........
It seem that the min anyone has problems with gel everyone that doesn't know the answer just say change the lamp, this is not solving problems it just makes the nail tech spend more money for no reason .

- IBD gel needs a full 3 mins to completly cure the gel ( espcialy the white gel as the uv light cannot penetrate as it is a opaqe colour) so the chances are that the gel is hard on the top but the bottom layer is still uncured.
Also remember that the UV bulbs are not like normal light bulbs that just stop working , UV bulbs slowly start to lose their strength, you must change the UV bulbs at least every 9 months, about 3000 hours of work!!!

Remember that the free edge and side walls will need capping so it doesnt lift/separate from the tip/natural nail

Hope this helps.......

 

[ValencianNails]

IBD will cure under 4X 9watts bulbs , with no problem
It doesn't have to be a IBD lamp.........
It seem that the min anyone has problems with gel everyone that doesn't know the answer just say change the lamp, this is not solving problems it just makes the nail tech spend more money for no reason .

Are you saying that every 9 watt bulb available gives the same amount of UV output?
If so then it's wrong, sorry!

When Doug Schoon was testing bulbs for the Brisa lamp he found that some lower watt bulbs gave out more UV than some higher watt bulbs, which goes to prove that you should always use the recommended lamp for your chosen system, regardless.

It is also very important to remember that the photoiniators in gel differ from brand to brand, they're not all the same, hence needing different bulbs, bulb placement within the lamp and different UV output.

If you use a lamp other than the recommended one then you aren't using the products to their optimum and should, in all honesty, expect problems.

 

[Lou-Lorena]

Read what i said again!!! I didn't mention UV output anywhere at all,
i am IBD trained and i am answering a question the girl asked about IBD , and the answer is that IBD gel will cure perfectly under a 4X9watt UV lamp ..............................

 

[danielajessy]

thank you girls,i really use your advice and i"m happy that i don"t have to change the lamp because i just buyet{sorry my english is not to good in writing}.one more question my nails are not shine is because i cure the gel only 2 min?

 

[danielajessy]

Hi ya

Can i just ask if you've been trained in gel?

yes i just finish my cours and i whant to change the gel because in school i use aint gel and it"s a litlle expensive{38e for 15ml]:lol:

 

[ValencianNails]

Read what i said again!!! I didn't mention UV output anywhere at all,
No, I did, because you mentioned wattage and I explained that wattage isn't important, it tells you how much energy the bulbs use, not their UV output (or curing power).

i am IBD trained and i am answering a question the girl asked about IBD , and the answer is that IBD gel will cure perfectly under a 4X9watt UV lamp ..............................

Is that why IBD have formulated not one but two UV lamps for curing their gel?
For sure, if the lamp wasn't important then they wouldn't have invested a shed-load of money in creating 2 lamps specifically for their gel, especially when the profit margin when selling the lamps is extremely minimal!

Grafton International Ltd - ibd gel & acrylic

 

[akaza]

The wattage doesn't have much to do with the curing process other that to tell you how much energy the lamp is using.

Get the correct lamp for the gel brand you're using and you shouldn't have any further problems. I do not use the specified IBD gel lamp and I have had no probelms what so ever!!

http://www.salongeek.com/general-articles/35947-choosing-uv-lamp-your-gel-system.htm

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In my opinion, you do not have to buy the same brand lamp as your gel, so long as you have reasearched!

When choosing my lamp for my IBD gel, I first checked how many watts the IBD uv lamp was with my supplier...(32watts) I then had a look at other lamps with the same output or greater and found one suitable at a price I was happy to pay! Im sure there are many nail techs out there that do not use the same lamp specified for their gel system...

I still follow the gels curing times for 3mins, and have never had ANY problems over the years I have been using it!

 

[Bagpuss]

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In my opinion, you do not have to buy the same brand lamp as your gel, so long as you have reasearched!

When choosing my lamp for my IBD gel, I first checked how many watts the IBD uv lamp was with my supplier...(32watts) I then had a look at other lamps with the same output or greater and found one suitable at a price I was happy to pay! Im sure there are many nail techs out there that do not use the same lamp specified for their gel system...

I still follow the gels curing times for 3mins, and have never had ANY problems over the years I have been using it!

As as already been said...its not just about the watts....The UV output is very important...and not something that you or I would be able to test to see if its right for the gel...thats what the product companies do...thats why you should be trusting that they have done their tests and you have peace of mind that you are using the right lamp...

 

[wendyrose]

Oh god....always makes me chuckle when people get so dramatic or defensive over things like this...dont get me wrong passion is very important and def makes a good nail tech...but come on girls...these lamps are curing gel, not cancer! Live and let live :green:

 

[New Nailz]

This does make me laugh.

If it is a UV Gel. Any UV Lamp will cure it. You need to take into account though the wattage of the lamp for the curing time for the Gel.

Companies saying to buy the same Brand Lamp for your Gels are just money grabbing!!

Hi all btw, New here. Just saw this post and had to reply

 

[Dol]

This does make me laugh.

If it is a UV Gel. Any UV Lamp will cure it. You need to take into account though the wattage of the lamp for the curing time for the Gel.

Companies saying to buy the same Brand Lamp for your Gels are just money grabbing!!

I'm sorry but that is incorrect information. Any UV lamp does not cure any UV gel.
UV gels differ in formulation from brand to brand and each company has spent big $$ researching then producing the best lamp for their UV gels.
I would suggest you use the search function as there have been a few threads in relation to this.
Doug Schoon has written a lot on this subject and he knows his stuff.

 

[Dol]

Hope this link works- its worth reading

 

[Dol]

http://www.schoonscientific.com/eblast/eblast_2011-12-07_LED-and-Proper-UV-Curing.htm

Oops... Helps if I attach it. This relates to LED but at the bottom there is a link to Doug's website

 

[New Nailz]

I'm sorry but that is incorrect information. Any UV lamp does not cure any UV gel.
UV gels differ in formulation from brand to brand and each company has spent big $$ researching then producing the best lamp for their UV gels.
I would suggest you use the search function as there have been a few threads in relation to this.
Doug Schoon has written a lot on this subject and he knows his stuff.

Everyone has their own thoughts on this...and I will stick to mine!

I know a couple of techs that use ibd and use a normal 36watt uv lamp. Cures no problem and lasts well. No milky effect, and no lifting.

The problem being, people read and believe anything a company says, and also what other people say about it and pass it on themselves.
Each to their own on how people work with their products.

No problems in treatments, then no worries on what's used!

 

[lucyboo]

Using either a jet 1000, jet 5000 or jet elite, all ibd lamps
Bonder 1 min
Clear gel I think is 1 mins (not entirely sure as I don't have that one) builder clear 3 mins
Builder pink 3 mins
French extreme clear 1 min
French extreme blush 3 mins
French extreme pink 3 mins
French extreme white 4 mins
Ultra white 3 mins & builder white 3 mins
Intense seal 2-3 mins
Ultra seal 1 min

 

[evangelinegrace]

Everyone has their own thoughts on this...and I will stick to mine!

I know a couple of techs that use ibd and use a normal 36watt uv lamp. Cures no problem and lasts well. No milky effect, and no lifting.

The problem being, people read and believe anything a company says, and also what other people say about it and pass it on themselves.
Each to their own on how people work with their products.

No problems in treatments, then no worries on what's used!

Have you studied Physics or Chemistry? I'd assume not... not that it takes a physicist or chemist to understand the science behind this.

Photo-initiator A only forms free radicals when exposed to waves between X and Y nm. Not got a light that emits UV light between X and Y and/or at the wrong intensity? The Photo-initiator won't form the free radicals and your product won't polymerise.

Some gels do cure with any lamp, some gels are formulated to work with a specific band and intensity of wavelength. Generic gels (I don't know if IBD is or isn't) can be cured with a generic lamp, but to say that this applies to all gels is misleading at best.

I agree with you in not just taking things at face value. I never do (especially in the cosmetic industry), but I always have the sense to do the research from a relevant textbook.

Please don't take this the wrong way but, please, do some chemistry and learn about bond cleavage etc before you spread your uninformed views on these forums. There are many newbies here that might believe what you have written.

Science aside, if a manufacturer says that X lamp is needed to cure Y gel, and you don't... Well your insurance won't be valid. If that's not a reason to use the recommended lamp, I don't know what is.

Many thanks.