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[lilly]

hi all, hope you can help me with a prob, i did a client/friend's nails about 5 weeks ago she had grown her nails after being a nail biter she had a lovely French overlay and was really pleased ( toes too! )

i saw her 2 weeks ago and she was still chuffed but i did see what i thought was a little Onycholysis, i advised her to take the length down a bit, i saw her to day and oh me goodness all of her nails had lifted up to 3/4 of the way down her nail bed i was horrified and advised her to see her doc but felt she thought i was too blame

I use a good gel that only requires a 240 light buff to remove shine and no primer and her nails, although i said to take the length, were by no means long.

she did say that when her dad died 4 years ago she had eczema or something like but that wouldnt make a differance now would it ???

my question is how and why the heck did this happen

sorry to have rambled

 

[Kerry's Nails]

I too, myself have had this problem very recently. Mine was thru Nail Trauma though - I got some really great advice (even if i didnt take it at first). I now however have cut the bad nail back as far as it can go - almost half way down my nail bed - treating with solar oil - and just have very short overlay on other NN (no overlay over bad nail just polish) - the nail looks horrid really short - but gee it feels better. I also changed my polish the other night and can see that part of the lifting is re-attatching to the nail bed.
Maybe do a search on this topic and see some pics and read some great advice.

Hope that helps :hug:

 

[Bagpuss]

Just a thought but sometimes nail biters nail do look like Onycholysis when they start to grow...its cos they have bitten them so low down that there natural smile line is half way down the nail bed.

Are you sure its Onycholysis and not lifting....air pockets...or like what i said above....would be strange for it to have happened on all 10 nails.

 

[Doorie]

what is the lifting like?

onycholysis is not regular, makes a kind of wave, whereas if it's due to her being an ex nail biter, they'll be more like a smile line or a straight line or something regular, that you can do with your teeth...

and also, when you applied, what gel was it?

 

[adelekeegan1]

what is the lifting like?

onycholysis is not regular, makes a kind of wave, whereas if it's due to her being an ex nail biter, they'll be more like a smile line or a straight line or something regular, that you can do with your teeth...

and also, when you applied, what gel was it?

This is not my experience.

I can suffer from it and it varies enormously but quite often manifests itself as straight accross.

 

[lilly]

this isn't her nails but i found a pic that is VERY similar to what I'm seeing
it has defiantly been quite rapid since i saw her 3 weeks ago. When i originally did her nails ( about 6 weeks ago ) it did look like a typical nail biters growth . her nails were and still are really hard, she was an avid sally Hanson nail strengthener user.

 

[Bev Rose]

Just a thought but sometimes nail biters nail do look like Onycholysis when they start to grow...its cos they have bitten them so low down that there natural smile line is half way down the nail bed.

Are you sure its Onycholysis and not lifting....air pockets...or like what i said above....would be strange for it to have happened on all 10 nails.

I really agree with Angie on this one.

I have done a number of nail biters and it's quite likely that the nail bed is very short due to constant biting off the free edge and some nail bed too whilst they do it.
The likelihood of it being on all 10 nails is rare I would of thought.

I have a client who suffers psoriasis and has one nail that has been affected, which has pitting on the natural nail and the hyponichium is attached higher up the nail on one side.
I also suffer excema, but not around or in my nails, but now and then, I get a slight sidewall derailing on one nail and it looks odd, but grows out.

Get her back in, take a really good look at the nails, underneath as well. She must be due a rebalance.
Did you get her to fill out a client consultation card on the first appointment? If she's been a few weeks since you did her nails, then she's not keeping regular appointments and she will have service breakdown, which is a clause on my card - they have to sign to say they will keep regular 2 weekly appointments.
We cannot diagnose any problems, only advise a trip to the GP, as you did.
I think it's a bit harsh of her blaming you & saying it's your fault when she's cannibalised her nails and was quite happy to walk around with stubs whilst she was a biter.

 

[lilly]

lol ! its def looks like it has spread down her nail bed in a matter of a few weeks. As to her gel overlays , she picked them off last week !!! i know that hasnt helped ! i have got out text books and looked on the net but am flumoxed to know why this has happened, i'm no doctor but it must be some kind of infection under her nail ???

 

[JANEY K]

for what i can gather reading the thread it looks like she is causing trauma to her nails herself by "picking" or "pulling\ripping" off the enhancements.
The most common cause of onycholysis is trauma, but other possible causes include ,Skin conditions such as psoriasis or lichen planus,Medical conditions thyroid dysfunction ,Fungal infections caused by trauma Side-effects of medication ,Adverse effects of chemicals or Prolonged immersion in water without wearing gloves for doing washing up ect..
The separation is gradual and does not hurt.

The nail may appear whitened or, if there’s an infection, discoloured (commonly yellow or green). The nail may also appear damaged but most cases seem to be seen in women with long fingernails like if you stub your finger lifting something heavy the nail seperates,ive done this a few times myself on my thumb. i found this pic on one of the nail enhancement websites ..trauma caused by client ripping off enhancements.

 

[lilly]

thanks for all the replies, its really interesting, she def had signs of this before she picked the gel off, I'm wondering if the nail strengthener has made her nails too rigid foe her nail beds ???

 

[adelekeegan1]

thanks for all the replies, its really interesting, she def had signs of this before she picked the gel off, I'm wondering if the nail strengthener has made her nails too rigid foe her nail beds ???

I have had clients who have used this product and it has enabled them to grow longer nails BUT they are hard and rigid and it has led to low breakages and some onycholysis - never seen anything that bad though