permanent Lashes and makeup

[SuperStyle]

I have just parted from the UK largest training supplier from the above heading. I have watched this site for many years grow and grow , but I feel now I have left I can shed some points on here. I see so many people on here Looking at Permanent individual lash training , and saying… oh I really want to do that, I cant wait to get trained on that and all manner of things like that.

There are people charging up to £120 for a set of lashes and they deserve it. if they get this. All the girls on here just seem to see this. well I have no links or ties anymore on this so I can say what was really going on in the “back Office”. We had girls in tears every day on the telephone, just saying that they were not fast enough, could not get enough lashes in.. could not get used to the glue.. and there are countless other things that were said. but I cant go into. it really is a hard thing to be good at.



The amount of returned kits we had sitting in our office was massive, I have to be frank with you, that so many think they have the skill and its so easy, but sorry its not.

It was a treatment that looked like it could be done easy, but then when the speed was needed so many failed. People thought they have done lashes before so simple, then found out it was a whole new ball game.


The permanent makeup was even more daunting, we had so many girls who passed but never made it, and we had so many machines sitting there that we purchased back from them for next to nothing,. The average spend for permanent makeup was around £18000-£20000, I felt for so many people who were getting into debt for all this, and never make it. I have to be blunt, I know of 4 people in the whole of the UK who are excellent, the rest are just average.. very. sorry if that is upsetting, but just look at the people who are busy, and just focus on the makeup. that will give you a clue.

I blame the marketing making it look so cool. constant ongoing support is there, but it does not say that you are going to be good at anything.


I hope this helps people look harder at what they are doing, and not just jumping in, as I said before the debt people were racking up was really terrible.

I now work in a shop, it a lot less stressful

Love and kisses xx

 

[tonilee]

WHile I am sorry you have not had a good time working for this company I would just like to add, this is not just about lashes its about everything.

There is a whole culture breeding of "pay and pass" courses, regardless of the correct knowledge of technique, this applies to all things nails, waxing etc

But not all training centres are like this! I teach lashes and tanning and if my students are not up to scratch they dont pass!!! I always offer continual support and also top up training if needed.

Lots of people regard the beauty industry as a way to make a quick buck and that anyone can do it and I guess lots of companies may have taken advantage of this and capitalised on it. But there are plenty of genuinely good trainers and therapists aloike out there.

AM glad however you are far less stressed these days, stress does our wrinkles no good!!!!

:hug:

 

[g5m_sh]

WHile I am sorry you have not had a good time working for this company I would just like to add, this is not just about lashes its about everything.

There is a whole culture breeding of "pay and pass" courses, regardless of the correct knowledge of technique, this applies to all things nails, waxing etc

But not all training centres are like this! I teach lashes and tanning and if my students are not up to scratch they dont pass!!! I always offer continual support and also top up training if needed.

Lots of people regard the beauty industry as a way to make a quick buck and that anyone can do it and I guess lots of companies may have taken advantage of this and capitalised on it. But there are plenty of genuinely good trainers and therapists aloike out there.

AM glad however you are far less stressed these days, stress does our wrinkles no good!!!!

:hug:

I totally agree with every thing that has been said!

Its a shame that there are too many companies out there that just pass you regardless!

When i done my waxing course the poor woman next to me didn't have a clue, when 4pm come it was time to go and she still didn't have a clue, but she passed, because it was the end of the day! Not once did anyone say 'i don't think you are good enough, i think you should come back'

When i done my lash course i was told 'if you are not to standards you wont pass' i respected my trainer more for actually saying that! Rather than 'here's your kit, crack on'

I think the companies that come across like that do get a lot more respect, they do from me anyway! Lets hope a lot more companies get like that in the future.

xx

 

[pazzy]

I completely agree with what has been said.


When you train in something new - its like passing your driving test - doesn't make you a cracking driver - without the reassurance all the time from your instructor your on your own - making decisions.

I think everything I trained in I had to focus on that skill at all times until I became good at it. But some lucky people take to skills like a duck to water - sadly I'm not one of them and know my limits.


I had a feel of the lashes and knew instantly that they weren't for me - but with determination I think it will be a wonderful skill to have. If your good at it - you will have always have work - simple as that.

I do reccomend the lashes to brides.

xxx

 

[SuperStyle]

When i done my lash course i was told 'if you are not to standards you wont pass' i respected my trainer more for actually saying that! Rather than 'here's your kit, crack on'

I think you have missed the point, I worked for the biggest company, for a long period. so I do no the business very well.

you can pass your driving test, all that means is that you are safe..... thats it!

do you think you are good? some people can never drive good, but they do have a licence.

gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr pazzy, I see your post as I am writing this, we are thinking the same! the driving...!


The Permanent makeup was even worse that the lashes I do agree, people looked at the £9000 or so to get started, and this ran to near the £18000, like I said before... they never knew they would need to spend all the extra, needles at £160 per pack, and pigments at nearly £50 with the vat... it was really terrible.

Lashes were a faster turnover, but as stated the dropouts are massive, we used to do undercover calls, just if we did not hear from some people, just in case they were ordering from somewhere else, but alas, so many of our call revealed they they were no longer offering the lashes as a service.

xx

 

[pazzy]

I agree with the make-up - I might do it one day - but for now its an unessessary expense - and I won't actually make any money from it for a long long long time.

I did a thread about it a while back wondering if the companies are just getting people on the permananet make-up courses with promises of big returns. Bit like the 'Im making £2000 a day - want to know how?' ads you see in the papers.

But I do understand that companies need to be making money to survive - and if people are crazy enough to part with kind of cash then its down to the individual - the business won't make any money if they are saying to the student 'are you sure you want to do this?' But PMU is such a skill - an art - and I think you have to have a certain amount of talent for it. I do wish I had done it in 1999 - when I wanted to do it and then I bottled it - and forgot about it.


Thanks for the insight - it was just as I suspected. I think I know what company it is - I am just guessing though.
xxx

 

[tonilee]

I dont think the poitn here has been missed, its just like there are millions of nail techs but not all ae really good, some may have trained and expected to make a quick buck and when they didnt they backed off. If the company you worked for were doing undercover calls and the therapists were no longer offering it perhaps it was cos they were not prepared to practice enough to bcome good at it!!!!

In terms of driving, I shudder to think of the driver I was when I first passed, by now yeah I think I am a pretty dammed good drive, I dive safely confidentally and have never had an accident!!!
Some companies are concidered the "best" cos they get lots of publicity, I myself trained with one of the market leaders initially, and it was this that spured me on to write a realisitic GOOD QUALITY course!!

You clearly have a very negative point of view given what you have seen but there are reasons behind everything in life. Its not fair to say that bcause of what you have seen, these treatments are very popular and worthwhile and perhaps if these girls you had to deal with "in tears" were in fact in tears cos they (as many people do ) thought if they paid a substantial amount of money it would be easy to make money back!!! Not the case its a skill that takes determination and perfect practice as with all treatments.

I tihnk there is a huge culture of people out there that think beauty is "fun and easy money" and this may be the reason of tears of disappointment, its not easy money its bleeding hard work alot of passion and a bigger amount of determination!!!

 

[SuperStyle]

totally agree Toni Lee

Yes I stated, before It was a little blunt, but I can name only 4 PMU Makeup artist in the UK who are good, and when I say good that is what I mean. people train with some of them and they think the company is the top brick of the chimney, a little brain washing is used, I can say we never did that ever, but lost of other did. there is one company, I wont say the name. they are in that big posh road in London, they were in all the glossy mags, and nice pictures, they would makeup all flashy names for some of the techniques, special name for eyeliner and lips and brows... just PR tricks. but she is just a massive PR machine. oh look how popular some used to say. being nice to the students, inviting them to London to help out, there would be no way I would let that person near me as they are not even that technical.

I was sent on a spying mission 2 years ago, so you do a full course... it was just normal application, with a flash false name.

I was just back office, im no artist. but i saw it all

I see it all like this MacDonald's, they are massive and big and everyone knows them, they are in all the magazines...........but are they really good? the best?



I leave you to think about that one.


xx

 

[tonilee]

Im not sure what you want me to think about.

While I fully sympathise with you having seen the downside to training I think you need to think about the fact you are only seeing it from that side.

There are alot of therapists on this site and lots of trainers offering the treatments you are saying is too hard for most to master, this is incorrect and incredibly negative. Just because you only know of 4 good pmu therapists doesnt mean there IS only 4 thats just your opinion!!

Perhaps take a step back now you have left that side of the industry you ought to put it to rest and move on. There are plenty of good semi permenant lash extension techs out there and there will be many more, as there is and will be in that of spmu. There will always be people who think they can "pay for a skill" these are the ones whom are sadly mislead and in for a shock.

 

[SuperStyle]

Tolilee, I was not replying to you when I said, I leave you to think about it....this was not adressed to you. although you have taken it all as it is. just a general reply. my Views are not just mine, they are shared views at a higher level in the industry, the avarage student does not see any of this. EDIT I have just noticed that you are a lash trainer, so maybe I have hit a cord, sorry I did not aim this at you, and as you look so scary in your picture I would not want to upset you.

xx

 

[g5m_sh]

That was a bit rude!!

Not quite sure what this thread was all about in the 1st place but its getting no one no where!!

If some one has flare for lashes they will do well, if they haven't they shouldn't be passed, if they are, shame on the trainer.
If they are ringing up bubbling down the phone saying they cant do it... it gets back to the training. This doesn't go for every company... like i said some companies wont pass you if you haven't got the technique!

Good day!

 

[loubylou]

Tolilee, I was not replying to you when I said, I leave you to think about it....this was not adressed to you. although you have taken it all as it is. just a general reply. my Views are not just mine, they are shared views at a higher level in the industry, the avarage student does not see any of this. EDIT I have just noticed that you are a lash trainer, so maybe I have hit a cord, sorry I did not aim this at you, and as you look so scary in your picture I would not want to upset you.

xx

This has to be one of the most rude and most insulting comments i have ever read on this site in the last 2 years,
do not judge a book by its cover, lee is a really nice person and not one bit scary in fact she is well respected and very helpful.

 

[eternalscot]

I have trained with 2 major permanent make up companies and I do make a good living, however I can well understand how so many give up. I know people are been spun a yarn a certain permanent make up company keeps giving me sales call for the paramedical side. This is not an easy industry to be in and to think otherwise is nothing short of naive.

I have had someone once sue me with legal aid (unsuccessfully) and you also get other clients done elsewhere phoning you to give statements in court (which I never do). Also some clients are basically a nightmare! I have seen even technicians who are the "celebrity" technician tell me about clients calling them saying "you have ruined my life", even if you do an amazing job some people are neurotic and you can never make happy, even though you have tons of experience and training. Other clients however hug you thank you and send you flowers to show their graditute. PMU is totally different from waxing and other beauty treatments.

 

[louiseprunty]

No need to be insulting :evil:

Tolilee, I was not replying to you when I said, I leave you to think about it....this was not adressed to you. although you have taken it all as it is. just a general reply. my Views are not just mine, they are shared views at a higher level in the industry, the avarage student does not see any of this. EDIT I have just noticed that you are a lash trainer, so maybe I have hit a cord, sorry I did not aim this at you, and as you look so scary in your picture I would not want to upset you.

xx

 

[loubylou]

No need to be insulting :evil:

This thread is almost 2 year old now hun :hug:

 

[Nailsinlondon1]

LOL this thread is as Louise just pointed out nearly 2 years old..... I am sure all differences have been sorted.
All parties have made their point and I am closing this thread.
No offence ment and I hope none taken xxxx