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[VHunter]

Okey dokey.. I have this client, been 2yrs now.
She works in a pediatric clinic.
She has her nails as ultra short NNO (which makes me wonder why bother, but to each his own) without so much as a french.
Anyhow... she had been one of my WORST lifters..
And no matter what I tried, or what questions I asked, I couldn't get to the root of the problem.
She's religious with her cuticle oil. She only gets her hand cream from me, and swears she uses nothing else (and am inclined to believe her).. etc etc etc..
When I have so many clients that come back again and again without any lift at all.... the same ones every time... I have to think it's "not" me, know what I mean?

Anyhow... 1.5mths ago, she comes in... ZERO lift
I pounced with "WHAT'S CHANGED:!:" and she has no idea and insists nothing has changed....
We chatted back and forth, couldn't figure it...
2wks later.. the lift is back
2wks after that, the lift is gone again
BUT now she knows what has changed...:green:

1.5mths ago she started bringing her own handsoap (liquid Dove) to work because she's a chronic handwasher at work (pediatric clinic, all kinds of yukkies there) and her skin is suffering terribly.
2wks later, she ran out and didn't get around to bringing in more (other employees were helping themselves) and went back to using the nasty pink industrial handsoap often found in gas-stations and public restrooms.
2wks again, she brought her liquid dove in again (but hides it now).


Sooooooooooo it's the nasty pink industrial/commercial hand soap that did her in:!:
Now that she's not using it, her nails are beautiful!! And I can stop going crazy :green:

I have another client who works in another clinic, and will be telling her to bring her own soap in and to see what happens because she has the same problem AND when she went on vacation for 3.5wks, she had zero lift BUT 2wks at work and she has lift.

Interesting isn't it? That nasty pink stuff is probably as harsh as what they wash the toilets with:!:

 

[sknight]

Bleach? LOL!!

How interesting. Would be good to find out what ingredients are in it

 

[Eni]

Its clorahexidine (the pink stuff). Its surgical scrub. Not bleach. And it is horrible on the hands which is why a lot of hospitals in the US only use it in the OR, and use Hibiclens in the rest of the hospital. Its a very strong/serious anti fungal/bacterial. One thing it is NOT is bleach.

 

[Gilly T]

I'm wondering now if this is what's causing my sisters lifting with gel overlays. It doesn't matter what I do, how thoroughly I prep or how much oil and cream she uses, rubber gloves.. nothing, still lifting.

She works in a surgery and washes her hands quite a lot, I wonder if they use some kind of soap like this?

 

[Trinity]

I'm wondering now if this is what's causing my sisters lifting with gel overlays. It doesn't matter what I do, how thoroughly I prep or how much oil and cream she uses, rubber gloves.. nothing, still lifting.

She works in a surgery and washes her hands quite a lot, I wonder if they use some kind of soap like this?

I have a client who works in a care home who are really hot on their H&S, she has to wash her hands between each client and her lifting and cracking was driving me crazy. It was the same situation as Victoria's client, when she had 2 weeks off they came back perfect too. My client now takes her own soap in to work and things are better, not perfect as she doesn't always have it to hand (excuse the joke) but we both feel better having discovered the reason behind it.

 

[VHunter]

Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:idea:

So there IS a pattern and I'm not the only one to see this?
Now we know another question to ask clients "are you using pink soap at work?" :lol:

I'll have to take note of the medical info/ingredient info above.
THANKS!!

:hug:

 

[min11]

Is that allowed? To use a highstreet handwash of your own when you work in a hospital? I have to say I'm actually quite shocked unless I have missunderstood. Surely you risk transferring bacteria etc x

 

[Gilly T]

Is that allowed? To use a highstreet handwash of your own when you work in a hospital? I have to say I'm actually quite shocked unless I have missunderstood. Surely you risk transferring bacteria etc x

I would have thought that if working with patients of any kind min, this would be a MUST. If not the soap then certainly the hand rub that they have all over the place now. Just something that has to be lived with I guess.

 

[pure]

Very interesting! :idea: I have one clinet who has been with me for a year now and she is the only one I have presistant lifting problems with, (I've posted questions about her on here before too!) and guess what.....she is a nurse too. We always put it down to the cleansing hand gel that she uses between patients but net time she's in I'll ask her about the soap to.

 

[VHunter]

Well, my clients aren't nurses or nurses aids and work at the reception desk of their respective clinics. The only reason that they have used the nasty pink stuff is because they don't want to catch anything. So I don't imagine it's a problem for them.

As for the nurses.... I'm sure that there's a way around it. That pink stuff can't be the only thing to get rid of germs. Especially if they're using that gel too.

 

[jodiewood]

i wash my hands A LOT so does this make my lifting issues worse??

 

[1999judy]

I have to admit that I go the a hospital almost daily atm as my eldest client is very poorly and refuse to use the sanitiser there as it has previously given me very sore hands when my mum was in hospital.....I always carry a Mundo one in my bag....so maybe hospital products CAN cause lifting...definately worth a thought.

 

[VHunter]

i wash my hands A LOT so does this make my lifting issues worse??

I don't know that it does or doesn't.... I think it depends a lot on the individual and what they're using.

But a theory I have, is this:
Your nails are porous and will absorb water.
This absorption will cause them to expand. This expansion changes the surface that the product is adhered to and the product is not porous so it will not expand with the natural nails, but retain it's own shape. Then the nails dry out, and return to normal size/shape..Over and over and over.
In other words, you have a piece of plastic attached to a sponge that keeps changing shape, but the plastic doesnt....
My theory is that if this is occuring on a more frequent basis than average, it will weaken the adhesion of the product to the natural nail.


Did that make sense to anyone else?


PS: And I do notice that my clients who wear gloves for dishwashing or housecleaning have better nails than those that don't.
Coincidence?

 

['chelle]

I have a nurse client who gets a lot of lift, which we think is due to the sanitiser pumps which are now on the entry points to the wards. Same principle I suppose.

 

[marioned]

But a theory I have, is this:
Your nails are porous and will absorb water.
This absorption will cause them to expand. This expansion changes the surface that the product is adhered to and the product is not porous so it will not expand with the natural nails, but retain it's own shape. Then the nails dry out, and return to normal size/shape..Over and over and over.
In other words, you have a piece of plastic attached to a sponge that keeps changing shape, but the plastic doesnt....
My theory is that if this is occuring on a more frequent basis than average, it will weaken the adhesion of the product to the natural nail.

Makes perfect sense as that's what I think too Victoria.

BUT, I also believe if you use cuticle oil regularly it soaks into the natural nail and into any tiny microscopic gaps between the enhancement and the natural nail. This then doesn't allow the water to penetrate into the nail and so helps with the lifting issues. If you wash your hands regularly I would use the oil more frequently, as the soap will have an emulsifying effect and remove the oil.

Marion xx

 

[sknight]

Bleach? LOL!!

How interesting. Would be good to find out what ingredients are in it

Its clorahexidine (the pink stuff). Its surgical scrub. Not bleach. And it is horrible on the hands which is why a lot of hospitals in the US only use it in the OR, and use Hibiclens in the rest of the hospital. Its a very strong/serious anti fungal/bacterial. One thing it is NOT is bleach.

That was me kidding as a reply to the "probably as harsh as what they wash the toilets with" comment! I know it wasn't really bleach.

 

[VHunter]

Makes perfect sense as that's what I think too Victoria.

BUT, I also believe if you use cuticle oil regularly it soaks into the natural nail and into any tiny microscopic gaps between the enhancement and the natural nail. This then doesn't allow the water to penetrate into the nail and so helps with the lifting issues. If you wash your hands regularly I would use the oil more frequently, as the soap will have an emulsifying effect and remove the oil.

Marion xx

I'm glad you understood. These days, I'm so fatigued, I often have a hard time understanding myself... never mind trying to explain what I mean:lol:
I often explain it like that to clients, and I do hope that they understand me. They seem to. But then, it could be that "smile and nod" thing that peeps do when they don't want to ask "huh?" :lol:

And yes, ditto on the cuticle oil. For my clients that are frequent hand washers or who's jobs have their hands in water often for whatever reason, PLUS it's now winter which is also dehydrating to the skin and nails; I tell them also to use their oil minimum of 4 times a day, to counter the effects of the overexposure to water and cold that is dehydrating to their skin and nails.:wink2:

 

[Katelisa]

nurses shouldnt be having enhancements should they? because if they do lift they risk harbouring bacteria. Maybe it should be brought into out sode of practice / ethics that we shouldnt treat nurses, afterall, we would be the first to moan if we were directly affected by a nurse that added to our illness.

 

[mdskora]

Sorry girls I am going to throw a spaner in the works...... I use that pink alcohol rub in my salon... shock horror.. I have a nurse client and she brings me a bottle every now and then.. I have no problem with it and I even use it to clean down my nail table between clients..
I will have to pay more attention to see if any of my other "hospital" clients have lifting issues as I don;t think they do.. surely i would remember...
hmmmm something to keep an eye on.
thanks
Mel

 

[min11]

nurses shouldnt be having enhancements should they? because if they do lift they risk harbouring bacteria. Maybe it should be brought into out sode of practice / ethics that we shouldnt treat nurses, afterall, we would be the first to moan if we were directly affected by a nurse that added to our illness.

Have to say I agree with you. See even if I worked in reception even, given some of the ailments that must come by you and bacteria you are open to picking up Dove hand wash wouldn't be my line of defence. As for nurses with enhancements, I'm amazed. My friend is a veterinary nurse and even she isn't allowed enhancements, even the disposable gloves don't get around that rule. With these awful bugs that hospitals have a problem with now it just surprises me. You can use all the handwash and gel you like but I doubt it garantees there wont be things lurking in the lift that sounds to be a common issue for nurses or in small cracks/chips.

JMO :hug: