Brisa Gel Lifting

[AvrilP]

I've just 'converted' to Brisa Gel after using Bio~Sculpture for a couple of years. Up to date, I've only applied Brisa to a handful of clients and, until my last application, had absolutely no problem with it. The last application wasn't so successful though....it was a tip and french.....and within two days the tip and gel had dropped off and, in the following few days, another three tips and gel completely gone. I spoke to my client today (who has just returned from holiday) and she seems to think the lifting was due to the fact that she had peeled several mandarin oranges in the few days after the gel was applied. I've never heard of this before and I wondered if anyone else had come across this problem. My client also advised me that she removed the rest of the nails by soaking in cider vinegar!!!

 

[HeatherDavis]

um, I think your client is crazy-pants.

I would more likely believe that she peeled them all off. The nails, not the oranges.

 

[Hope]

The peeling of oranges shouldn't be a factor, however 'if' the nails were long and 'if' the apex of the nail wasn't thick enough then peeling an orange 'could' be enough pressure to make the tip pop off especially if your client was using her nails and not her finger pads to do the peeling.

As for soaking the nails off with cider vinegar.....NO I don't think so. You 'might' be able to soak Brisa off using acetone if you were willing to sit there soaking for hours But Cider Vinegar!!!!

 

[Bagpuss]

Brisa is a buff off gel.....so soaking in anything wont budge it...its very different to Bio.

Sounds like if she is the only client you have had issues with then its something to do with her....but saying that you do need to prep nails as shown with Brisa and not using Bio prep.

When i used Bio you could be quite minimal with prep and they wouldn't lift...but Brisa does require a thorough prep.

 

[adelekeegan1]

I've just 'converted' to Brisa Gel after using Bio~Sculpture for a couple of years. Up to date, I've only applied Brisa to a handful of clients and, until my last application, had absolutely no problem with it. The last application wasn't so successful though....it was a tip and french.....and within two days the tip and gel had dropped off and, in the following few days, another three tips and gel completely gone. I spoke to my client today (who has just returned from holiday) and she seems to think the lifting was due to the fact that she had peeled several mandarin oranges in the few days after the gel was applied. I've never heard of this before and I wondered if anyone else had come across this problem. My client also advised me that she removed the rest of the nails by soaking in cider vinegar!!!

I have never heard anything so ludicrous - she was heavy handed and then picked the rest off. No amount of acetone or anything else will get Brisa off. The fault lies with her, not you

 

[geeg]

I've heard everything now!! Cidre Vinegar ... I agree with Heather and Adele ... your client is nutso! And as a professional you should both know this and be able tell her the same.

 

[iam34ouch]

I started with Brisa gel when I first opened my shop and had horrible lifting problems but mine was always at the cuticle end of the nail. Long story short I switched to OPI Axxium and I love it as a non-soak off gel. I always wanted to use Bio-Sculpture but too expensive for me - so I tried IBD Soak Off gel instead and love it as well. So now I use both, if I have a client who wants tips I generally use the OPI but for overlays I always use IBD Soak Off. Hope this helps. By the way, IBD Soak Off is very comparable to Bio-Sculpture as a soak off gel but the IBD is so much cheaper. You can give your clients the expensive look with more money in your pocket!

 

[min11]

I started with Brisa gel when I first opened my shop and had horrible lifting problems but mine was always at the cuticle end of the nail. Long story short I switched to OPI Axxium and I love it as a non-soak off gel. I always wanted to use Bio-Sculpture but too expensive for me - so I tried IBD Soak Off gel instead and love it as well. So now I use both, if I have a client who wants tips I generally use the OPI but for overlays I always use IBD Soak Off. Hope this helps. By the way, IBD Soak Off is very comparable to Bio-Sculpture as a soak off gel but the IBD is so much cheaper. You can give your clients the expensive look with more money in your pocket!

I don't think Brisa was at fault with your lifting. Instead of changing to another product why not go back to your educator and ask for help to solve the issues. I'm not singling you out, just your post isn't an uncommon one to see in general in terms of changing products to solve a problem :hug:

 

[adelekeegan1]

I started with Brisa gel when I first opened my shop and had horrible lifting problems but mine was always at the cuticle end of the nail. Long story short I switched to OPI Axxium and I love it as a non-soak off gel. I always wanted to use Bio-Sculpture but too expensive for me - so I tried IBD Soak Off gel instead and love it as well. So now I use both, if I have a client who wants tips I generally use the OPI but for overlays I always use IBD Soak Off. Hope this helps. By the way, IBD Soak Off is very comparable to Bio-Sculpture as a soak off gel but the IBD is so much cheaper. You can give your clients the expensive look with more money in your pocket!

This is another reply typical of someone who has

a) not trained with the product

b) trained with the product but forgotten some details

c) trained but chosen to ignore some aspects of the training

Properly applied there are no problems with Brisa lifting. Certainly if you are getting lifting in Zone 3 it is almost certainly your prep that is at fault

 

[Nataliya]

Brisa rocks!!!

Cider vinegar is very interesting, how did her fingers feel afterwards?

This might be off topic, but just to say I had a couple of clients a way back, who used to come back in a week with no leftovers of nails and claim that i was not good enough, but still wanted me to do their nails (cant say i wanted to carry on with them though). One used to clean the house with ammonia failing to wear any gloves, and only told that me by the way. I stopped doing her nails for free since it wasn't my fault that the nails magically vanished.
The other was scrapping them off with a knife used to open boxes, needless to say she was scraping the natural nail as well, coming back with wrecked nails claiming "look what you have done to my nails" I was mortified, until one day her friend was getting a treatment and managed to tell me,by the way, how her friend was getting her nails done for free. Obviously she did not know it was me who was doing her friends nails.

Oh, sometimes I wish I could read their mind, lol. I should introduce free sessions of hypnotherapy to find out how are they treating their nail enhancements, lol)))

There is an excellent guide by Geek in articles about nails being abducted by aliens - have a read - you will learn how to deal with it)

hope this helps.

PS - away to peel some clementinas, hope my stilletos will not fall off, lol:hug: x

 

[AvrilP]

I thought I might get some constructive pointers from you all but it would seem you are of the same opinion that my client is a nut-case. I have known this person all of my life, she is my best friend and closest confident and I don't for one moment believe she would lie to me.

 

[Gilly T]

This is another reply typical of someone who has

a) not trained with the product

b) trained with the product but forgotten some details

c) trained but chosen to ignore some aspects of the training

Properly applied there are no problems with Brisa lifting. Certainly if you are getting lifting in Zone 3 it is almost certainly your prep that is at fault

I have just had an epiphany (sp?)

Reasons for lifting in zone 3.... poor prep, product ratio.

There is no product ratio with gel so if there's lifting in zone 3 does this mean that it HAS to be prep or is there anything else?

I've had a gel enhancement on my little finger for four weeks whilst all the others are l&p and I have been wondering why I haven't had any lifting at all on the gel one.

Could it be that my prep is absolutely fine and it's possibly my product ratio on my l&p?

 

[Bev Rose]

I thought I might get some constructive pointers from you all but it would seem you are of the same opinion that my client is a nut-case. I have known this person all of my life, she is my best friend and closest confident and I don't for one moment believe she would lie to me.

Sweetheart, why is it only her having the problems? Lots of clients 'try it on' - but not many get away with it. Not with me anyway.
If you know you are doing a great job all round, why is it only her having the problems?

 

[Bev Rose]

I have just had an epiphany (sp?)

Reasons for lifting in zone 3.... poor prep, product ratio.

There is no product ratio with gel so if there's lifting in zone 3 does this mean that it HAS to be prep or is there anything else?

I've had a gel enhancement on my little finger for four weeks whilst all the others are l&p and I have been wondering why I haven't had any lifting at all on the gel one.

Could it be that my prep is absolutely fine and it's possibly my product ratio on my l&p?

Good answer Gilly!
I have had my L&P on plus my 2 gel nails for the best part of 3 weeks now, I have a smidge of lift on 1 L&P finger sidewall due to my manhandling something:lol: & my gels are stuck like the proverbial to a blanket...mmmmmh.

 

[min11]

I thought I might get some constructive pointers from you all but it would seem you are of the same opinion that my client is a nut-case. I have known this person all of my life, she is my best friend and closest confident and I don't for one moment believe she would lie to me.

With the best will in the world you might have gotten more sensitive replies of you had been open and said the 'client' is your best friend. Your own post sounded like you felt incredulous at the cider vinegar and other issues. Knowing now she is your friend it reads more as surprise. I dont think you can blame anyone for their reactions though given you didn't explain fully yourself. :hug:

 

[Gilly T]

I agree with min... your original post says 'the client' and not your best friend. I have to say that I find it hard to believe that any enhancement would just drop off without any encouragement, especially gel.

I did a full set of l&p for a young lady goin on holiday, when I asked her grand mother how she liked her nails when they returned she said they all 'fell off'. Every single one?? When I asked about her gel toes she said they went the same way. There is absolutely no way gel will just drop off not without some help.

 

[becki x]

Regardless of the fact that your clients is your best friend (the only client i have ever sacked was my sister in law) you have been given SOUND advise.

In your situation i would be releived i were not at fault,and fully take on board the EXPERT advise you have been given. Maybe you didn't hear what you wanted/expected to but ultimately you have been given factual replies,how you proceed from here is down to you.

 

[ValencianNails]

There is no product ratio with gel so if there's lifting in zone 3 does this mean that it HAS to be prep or is there anything else?

Soft tissue contact.
Being careless with application in zone 3 and also the sidewall area will encourage lifting.

Avril - Just because she's your best friend doesn't mean that she won't tell you a porky or two about her nails. There is no way that they would be able to be soaked off in cider vinegar or have problems due to peeling mandarins. She's telling you fibs.
Brisa is non-porous, therefore not even product remover or acetone affects it, or its shine.

The best way to beat her at this little game is to know as much as you can about the product you're working with, if you did that then you cold have told her there and then, plus, gone on to ask her what really happened to her enhancements?

 

[Gilly T]

Soft tissue contact.
Being careless with application in zone 3 and also the sidewall area will encourage lifting.

Of course... must have been having a brain block. Fortunately not the case in this instance so must be ratio. Thanks :hug:

 

[angelbeauty1507]

Hi
I had the same problem with brisa gels, so converted over to bio sculpture but found it really pricey. Have you tried lechat nobility gel its fantastic and works the same as bio just a hell of a lot cheaper?
Lauren