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siennax1

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Hi everyone, I have a client who has recently started coming to me and I spray a 12.5% on her. She has freckles and is a red head, I allways suggest a lower dha but she insists on having it.

Anyway, she says that the other therapist who tanned her before using the same product and % says that she allways comes out really dark, straight after I presume?! When I spray her she says she looks more natural. TBH, when I spray her, I can't really see much difference straight away? She says she likes it and wants to book again though.

Why is it that when she was sprayed whith the other lady she came out really dark straight away, and with me it's minimal difference straight after an we've both uses the same % and product.

I was taught to use less solution but I sometimes worry if it will develop any darker?

Am I worrying tooo much?

:eek:
 
Hi everyone, I have a client who has recently started coming to me and I spray a 12.5% on her. She has freckles and is a red head, I allways suggest a lower dha but she insists on having it.

Anyway, she says that the other therapist who tanned her before using the same product and % says that she allways comes out really dark, straight after I presume?! When I spray her she says she looks more natural. TBH, when I spray her, I can't really see much difference straight away? She says she likes it and wants to book again though.

Why is it that when she was sprayed whith the other lady she came out really dark straight away, and with me it's minimal difference straight after an we've both uses the same % and product.

I was taught to use less solution but I sometimes worry if it will develop any darker?

Am I worrying tooo much?

:eek:

I also use between 30 - 40 mls

x
 
Hi hun, my understanding is that all you are seeing is the guide colour and that it wouldn't matter if you went over them 3 or even 4 times all you would do is waste your product because the absorbed product would still be the same. So I would carry on using 30 to 40 mils, it's what I was taught to use:eek: and so long as she really was having the same product put on her by the other therapist the developed result will be the same.
 
I would tend to disagree. I have a client who I double spray on her legs and they always come out darker than the rest of her body (this is the way she likes her tan to look).
x
 
I would tend to disagree. I have a client who I double spray on her legs and they always come out darker than the rest of her body (this is the way she likes her tan to look).
x

I must admit, I have been a bit confused about this because most people say that it doesn't make a difference if you double spray or not and it doesnt matter how much solution you put on it will develop the same and that you are wasting solution doing this (by double spraying I mean at the same time and not with 24 hours in between), now this might be a mind over matter thing (i.e. if more goes on then you feel it must go darker) but I tend to find that it does go darker if you are a: spraying closer or b: double spray. I spray my friend with Tandare and now my application is faster and i'm using less solution and spraying only one coat she is definately not getting as deep a colour as when I hatch sprayed her
 
I did an experiment on myself yesterday - usually I get my otherhalf to spray me very dry (With the nozzle almost closed - barely any solution coming out), and I get a very pale hint-of-a-tint tan, which suits me because I'm very pale. Yesterday I turned the nozzle up, so there was a lot of tan coming out, and I had to wait about 30 mins before I was totally dry. Today I am DEFINITELY more tanned than I usually am!!! So if your skin will only absorb so much solution, how come, with the same solution and the same skin (eg, mine!), spraying with more tan results in a deeper colour? I don't understand it either!
My suggestion to you, would be to try turning your nozzle up slightly, so that rather than spraying very dry, you're letting out a bit more solution than usual. See what happens!
 
But then aren't you wasting solution and by that not making much profit? Or do you charge more for extra spraying?

Thanks for your responses

xx
 
If you are using the same solution and the same amount as the other therapist then the only difference can be technique of application I.E. you may be using the same amount of solution but possibly spraying to far away from the skin resulting in lost solution to over spray :hug:

On the issue of one coat or two to make it darker......well scientifically if the skin is at saturation point with one coat then a second wont make it any darker.

i suspect what is happening when individuals are of the belief that the second coat makes the skin darker that they are in fact correct:idea:...all be it simply that the first coat applied has not saturated the skin until the second coat is applied...so in this instance...yes a second coat will indeed tan the skin more.:hug:

On a one application where saturation is achieved..well apply as many additional coats as you like and the skin will not tan any darker...maybe overload and go orange but certainly not darker.

HTH :hug:
 
yes, you will be using more solution but what we seem to be getting at is that you do get a darker tan from using more solution without taking the % up - which is better? Using a darker % and having the possibility of it being to dark for the client or using a bit more solution as I have seen several posters say they get darker results from either double spraying or spraying a bit wetter....

Collin/loubylou - any advice here?
 
yes, you will be using more solution but what we seem to be getting at is that you do get a darker tan from using more solution without taking the % up - which is better? Using a darker % and having the possibility of it being to dark for the client or using a bit more solution as I have seen several posters say they get darker results from either double spraying or spraying a bit wetter....

Collin/loubylou - any advice here?

Lol that's my Sunday gone out the window then :hug:

Its not easy to explain but..

Different companies/brands advocate different methods of application...some train one and some train two coats to get that perfect result.

The facts of the matter are that which ever way you operate the skin has its own saturation point where by it will go into DHA overload and result in that orange look.

Now weather you apply one ,two or three coats to get to that point doesn't really matter..the point is that at some point you will get to that point...do you get my point :eek::lol:

A therapist has a difficult job in that he/she needs to ***** the clients skin type and to try and match it with a % that he/she thinks will not send the client into DHA overload.

The second problem is that the client may insist that you go higher than you recommend given their skin type....that's when things get tricky.

To further complicate things..an individual with an extremely fair skin type can ,in some cases ,actually go considerably darker than is normal...so the recommendations made by manufacturers and yourself as a therapist are only a generalization guide line and we need to remember that as human beings were all completely different and react differently and at different rates(poke at the other daft thread running) so the rule book..with some individuals.... simply doesn't apply.:eek:

I guess therefore its a case of therapist and customer working together and over a short period of time learning just how much a specific customers skin can take....certainly in the early stages you as the therapist should take the leading role in any decision making and then take things step by step until you both achieve your objectives.

Given these specific types of situations then there are two options you could follow

1) A one good coat application with a % you feel is right..if this pans out and the customer wants to go darker then up the % next time if there weren't any problems with the first application

2) The two coat application route that many therapist adopt with a higher % as asked by the customer...maybe apply a little less on the first application...ask the customer back the next day..check the reaction and if all looking good apply the second coat more generously..this way if coat one is overdose you can at least deal with it easier as it should only be a light coating.

HTH :hug:
 
It's strange because even with the dial turned up pretty high, the guide colour doesn't appear to be that dark? Apart from the 10%

x
 
yes, you will be using more solution but what we seem to be getting at is that you do get a darker tan from using more solution without taking the % up - which is better? Using a darker % and having the possibility of it being to dark for the client or using a bit more solution as I have seen several posters say they get darker results from either double spraying or spraying a bit wetter....

Collin/loubylou - any advice here?

What Collin said lol :lol:

i use and teach option one as it is more cost effective,

when i spray a client i have my gun about 3 inch from the client and spray at a nice and steady speed,
they are stood on couch roll and there is no solution on this as most of it has gone on the body,
so i have 100% coverage and know that the tan will take with the one spray,
and client is dry (except for face) and ready to dress,

when i teach i am aware that the student (due to nerves) will move the gun a lot slower than i do so they have the gun at a hand distance away from the client (about 6 to 7 inch) but still only give one spray,
they will have used more solution than i did because they move slower but because they are working further away from the body more of the solution will have dropped to the floor,
so the client should on average still have the same amount of solution on the skin and the resulting colour should be same,
we can all achieve the same result even though we work differently,

1 x 100% coverage spray will look nice and give the effect of a natural tan,
2 x 100% coverage spray will very possibly look orange, depending on how safe you have played with the DHA%

they are techs that do give 2 sprays but are still only using around 30mls so they will still get the nice result,

hope that makes sense and hasn't confused you even more (it is sunday lol)
 
I did an experiment on myself yesterday - usually I get my otherhalf to spray me very dry (With the nozzle almost closed - barely any solution coming out), and I get a very pale hint-of-a-tint tan, which suits me because I'm very pale. Yesterday I turned the nozzle up, so there was a lot of tan coming out, and I had to wait about 30 mins before I was totally dry. Today I am DEFINITELY more tanned than I usually am!!! So if your skin will only absorb so much solution, how come, with the same solution and the same skin (eg, mine!), spraying with more tan results in a deeper colour? I don't understand it either!
My suggestion to you, would be to try turning your nozzle up slightly, so that rather than spraying very dry, you're letting out a bit more solution than usual. See what happens!

For some reason, I seem to have to turn up my dial alot! As I can't see the 8.5% and 12.5 % solution going that dark on the couch roll?

:eek:
 
What Collin said lol :lol:

i use and teach option one as it is more cost effective,

when i spray a client i have my gun about 3 inch from the client and spray at a nice and steady speed,
they are stood on couch roll and there is no solution on this as most of it has gone on the body,
so i have 100% coverage and know that the tan will take with the one spray,
and client is dry (except for face) and ready to dress,

when i teach i am aware that the student (due to nerves) will move the gun a lot slower than i do so they have the gun at a hand distance away from the client (about 6 to 7 inch) but still only give one spray,
they will have used more solution than i did because they move slower but because they are working further away from the body more of the solution will have dropped to the floor,
so the client should on average still have the same amount of solution on the skin and the resulting colour should be same,
we can all achieve the same result even though we work differently,

1 x 100% coverage spray will look nice and give the effect of a natural tan,
2 x 100% coverage spray will very possibly look orange, depending on how safe you have played with the DHA%

they are techs that do give 2 sprays but are still only using around 30mls so they will still get the nice result,

hope that makes sense and hasn't confused you even more (it is sunday lol)

So I presume you have the dial turned quite low so minimal solution is coming out, I worry about it looking streaky if I spray too close!:eek:
 
I did an experiment on myself yesterday - usually I get my otherhalf to spray me very dry (With the nozzle almost closed - barely any solution coming out), and I get a very pale hint-of-a-tint tan, which suits me because I'm very pale. Yesterday I turned the nozzle up, so there was a lot of tan coming out, and I had to wait about 30 mins before I was totally dry. Today I am DEFINITELY more tanned than I usually am!!! So if your skin will only absorb so much solution, how come, with the same solution and the same skin (eg, mine!), spraying with more tan results in a deeper colour? I don't understand it either!
My suggestion to you, would be to try turning your nozzle up slightly, so that rather than spraying very dry, you're letting out a bit more solution than usual. See what happens!

This is because it is possible to use too little solution, under-spray,
as long as you have done so nice and evenly you will get the light result that you like & are experiencing, hth
 
What Collin said lol :lol:

i use and teach option one as it is more cost effective,

when i spray a client i have my gun about 3 inch from the client and spray at a nice and steady speed,
they are stood on couch roll and there is no solution on this as most of it has gone on the body,
so i have 100% coverage and know that the tan will take with the one spray,
and client is dry (except for face) and ready to dress,

when i teach i am aware that the student (due to nerves) will move the gun a lot slower than i do so they have the gun at a hand distance away from the client (about 6 to 7 inch) but still only give one spray,
they will have used more solution than i did because they move slower but because they are working further away from the body more of the solution will have dropped to the floor,
so the client should on average still have the same amount of solution on the skin and the resulting colour should be same,
we can all achieve the same result even though we work differently,

1 x 100% coverage spray will look nice and give the effect of a natural tan,
2 x 100% coverage spray will very possibly look orange, depending on how safe you have played with the DHA%

they are techs that do give 2 sprays but are still only using around 30mls so they will still get the nice result,

hope that makes sense and hasn't confused you even more (it is sunday lol)

Yes, I had to read Collins post a few times before it sunk in! But between yours and Collins post i'm obviously not saturating the skin when i'm spraying - i'm spraying 6 inches away from the body and think I'm spraying possibly too quickly for that distance away from what you have both said although lou I don't really get anything on the couch roll which indicates i'm not losing THAT much to overspray. I'll try spraying her again tomorrow at 3" away from her. I'm so glad I jumped in on this thread cos it makes total sense now!

Thanks and sorry to spoil ur Sunday Collin - I'll get you a take out from a nice little place I know just near B&Q :rolleyes:
 


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