Hello, has anyone done this course?! I'm thinking of doing the female intimate course and would love to do brows too but it's soooo expensive and I'm wondering if any of you have done it and could give me some feedback on why it's so different?! 
Wax Queen Kim Lawless - Brow course
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I too am interested in Kims brow course. I can wax brows fine but I struggle when people ask for a certain shape!! Im always scared I end up taking too much off!
Would this be similar to the HD course? Really interested in that but cant afford it :cry:
Would this be similar to the HD course? Really interested in that but cant afford it :cry:
Nat-Nat
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I'd like to know too as I get scared if the customer has no shape already there lol!
MissConfused
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kim's more expensive than other trainers yeah but all she does is wax all day every day. that's how she makes her living. so you are being trained by somebody who is a complete expert at that treatment. that experience comes at a price, just like anything in life.
you'll be surprised at how many trainers offer reduced prices for more than 1 kind of wax training/booking in advance/booking late if you ask around.
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you'll be surprised at how many trainers offer reduced prices for more than 1 kind of wax training/booking in advance/booking late if you ask around.
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Lynne Baker
Lynne The Skin!
And that's the very reason that decent brow training is as expensive as it is: too many people haven't a blimmin clue about how to create the perfect brow.
Don't get me started on the HD Brow Debate though, grrrrr!
Miss Pink23
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The HD brow course uses 7 techniques to create the perfect set of brows, not just waxing, but threading, plucking, dying, tinting etc.
Search HD Brows on here and you will find all the information you need.
hth's
Lynne Baker
Lynne The Skin!
How does dying differ from tinting?
Lorrainelola
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But don't you find with brows you can only enhance what is already there?
If they have tweezed for years to the point of no return then You'll never get a good arch shape. I'm fine shaping brows that are thick as I can get some shape but ones that are already thin I think I just need a blooming good pencil or a felt tip pen
If they have tweezed for years to the point of no return then You'll never get a good arch shape. I'm fine shaping brows that are thick as I can get some shape but ones that are already thin I think I just need a blooming good pencil
or a felt tip pen Ooh go on!
I too would really love to do HD Brows but the lack of funds is stopping me:cry:
But do you know what I have been spotting HD Brows on alot of stars at the moment Katie Price,Colenne Rooney ect and their brows are very thick and very black which is ok with Katie but everyone else looks well silly.
In the sunday papers they liken Colenne to the Thunderbirds puppets!!
My point is why are they like this? Is there only black tint? surely any Therapist worth their salt would know a client with blonde hair is not going to look great with extremly Thick/Black brows!
But do you know what I have been spotting HD Brows on alot of stars at the moment Katie Price,Colenne Rooney ect and their brows are very thick and very black which is ok with Katie but everyone else looks well silly.
In the sunday papers they liken Colenne to the Thunderbirds puppets!!
My point is why are they like this? Is there only black tint? surely any Therapist worth their salt would know a client with blonde hair is not going to look great with extremly Thick/Black brows!
Yes go on.........
The forum is all about getting opinions from more experienced therapists.
You are one of our very respected professionals Lynne so I would be interested in your thoughts on the HD brand.
Me too! I'm getting HD Brow-ed tomorrow and am excited but scared - I'm blonde and really don't want big black eyebrows! x
Lynne Baker
Lynne The Skin!
OK, these are my thoughts on the HD brand.
Nouveau is a well respected company and I suspect that their training is very good.
I think the HD brows would do very well in a smart, funky urban salon. I live in deepest, darkest Hampshire with a client base of 35+ yummy mummies who spend a lot of time in the local coffee shop, playing tennis or doing Pilates, as far as I can make out! They have little or no interest in what the latest WAG trend is, so would stare blankly at me if I said I'm doing HD brows now.
My average takings in the salon per day are about £500 (that's revenue, not profit, before your jaw hits the floor!). Therefore I would lose about a grand in lost revenue, plus the cost of the training which I think is about 700 notes plus VAT, and then the travel expense up to Milton Keynes.
I think it's shameful that Nouveau want to charge its HD therapists for use of the logo etc (if they still are, or if they're reading this, have you never heard of "contribution" in a marketing sense?)
I understand that there are 7 steps to the process. When a client asks for a brow shape with me they get the following steps.
Consultation - what do they want, what I can achieve with what they've got already, manage their expectations.
Analysis - look at their face shape, age, colouring, state of brow
Threading/waxing and tweezing - to create the best shape possible
Trimming - I do mention very briefly that I might use scissors on their brow, but it generally scares them senseless if they think someone's going to snip off their brows!
I also explain that sometimes their brows are going to look less groomed than they would like until hairs have grown back if they've been badly shaped in the past. I implore them to not fiddle with them and then rebook them for 4 weeks.
If they want a brow makeover I do all the above and use tint (after doing a tint test for every new client, or if they've not had it done with me for over 6 months)
I use a lot of brown tint, and add varying amounts of black tint depending on the colouring. Even my really dark haired clients don't get full on black tint - it's just too "flat"
For homecare I might suggest a brow pencil (Sisley make, in my opinion, the very best ones. Obviously I can't sell them a Sisley pencil, and my clients love the fact that I'm happy to recommend external brands), or Blinc Brow Mousse.
Apart from the brands involved what I'd like to know is how does what I offer differ from what HD Brows offer? I've not been on the HD training so I might be missing some amazing techniques, but I'd have to do a heck of a lot of HD brows to recoup my investment, and with my client base it would take a lot of time.
I've seen some truly shockingly badly shaped brows in the past so I do think there is a need for some therapists to do some extra, specialised training, and as mentioned before, in upmarket, trendy, urban salons where the client base is influenced by the likes of Atomic Kitten and Jordan, I have absolutely no doubt that it would fly.
My biggest gripe with the HD brow debate is that it has been touted on here as the ONLY way to do brows properly. Er, no.
Nouveau is a well respected company and I suspect that their training is very good.
I think the HD brows would do very well in a smart, funky urban salon. I live in deepest, darkest Hampshire with a client base of 35+ yummy mummies who spend a lot of time in the local coffee shop, playing tennis or doing Pilates, as far as I can make out! They have little or no interest in what the latest WAG trend is, so would stare blankly at me if I said I'm doing HD brows now.
My average takings in the salon per day are about £500 (that's revenue, not profit, before your jaw hits the floor!). Therefore I would lose about a grand in lost revenue, plus the cost of the training which I think is about 700 notes plus VAT, and then the travel expense up to Milton Keynes.
I think it's shameful that Nouveau want to charge its HD therapists for use of the logo etc (if they still are, or if they're reading this, have you never heard of "contribution" in a marketing sense?)
I understand that there are 7 steps to the process. When a client asks for a brow shape with me they get the following steps.
Consultation - what do they want, what I can achieve with what they've got already, manage their expectations.
Analysis - look at their face shape, age, colouring, state of brow
Threading/waxing and tweezing - to create the best shape possible
Trimming - I do mention very briefly that I might use scissors on their brow, but it generally scares them senseless if they think someone's going to snip off their brows!
I also explain that sometimes their brows are going to look less groomed than they would like until hairs have grown back if they've been badly shaped in the past. I implore them to not fiddle with them and then rebook them for 4 weeks.
If they want a brow makeover I do all the above and use tint (after doing a tint test for every new client, or if they've not had it done with me for over 6 months)
I use a lot of brown tint, and add varying amounts of black tint depending on the colouring. Even my really dark haired clients don't get full on black tint - it's just too "flat"
For homecare I might suggest a brow pencil (Sisley make, in my opinion, the very best ones. Obviously I can't sell them a Sisley pencil, and my clients love the fact that I'm happy to recommend external brands), or Blinc Brow Mousse.
Apart from the brands involved what I'd like to know is how does what I offer differ from what HD Brows offer? I've not been on the HD training so I might be missing some amazing techniques, but I'd have to do a heck of a lot of HD brows to recoup my investment, and with my client base it would take a lot of time.
I've seen some truly shockingly badly shaped brows in the past so I do think there is a need for some therapists to do some extra, specialised training, and as mentioned before, in upmarket, trendy, urban salons where the client base is influenced by the likes of Atomic Kitten and Jordan, I have absolutely no doubt that it would fly.
My biggest gripe with the HD brow debate is that it has been touted on here as the ONLY way to do brows properly. Er, no.
kimi1101
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just my tuppence...im not a brow-er but someone mentioned if you have plucked and plucked they wont grow back...im sure Kim has done a tutorial on this somewhere on the site. xx
Thanks Lynne,
You've explained that wonderfully.
I think then that you are paying a huge sum for the brand name and not much else?
I have thought before that there doesn't seem to be anything hugely original in their techniques but did think they had a reputation of being "the best". There are so many threads on here about "who is the best trainer" for xyz technique that people may think it's worth the cost.
Personally, I could never recoup the cost of the course through the treatments so, for me, it just doesn't make business sense.
Nice of you to take the time to give such a comprehensive answer.
xx
You've explained that wonderfully.
I think then that you are paying a huge sum for the brand name and not much else?
I have thought before that there doesn't seem to be anything hugely original in their techniques but did think they had a reputation of being "the best". There are so many threads on here about "who is the best trainer" for xyz technique that people may think it's worth the cost.
Personally, I could never recoup the cost of the course through the treatments so, for me, it just doesn't make business sense.
Nice of you to take the time to give such a comprehensive answer.
xx
Kim Lawless
Grande Dame of the Brazilian Wax for Men and Women
You talking to me?? LOL Sorry, only just seen this.
My brow course teaches how I personally create the perfect brow. It's not top secret and I don't claim that it's better than anybody else's course. I teach the technique and you don't have to pay anything else after you've trained and you are welcome to use the Kim Lawless logo (coming soon) without paying any more to do so.
I cover all of the same things except threading. Why? Because why would I do something in 10 mins when I could do it in 5 and achieve the same results with less pain (according to my clients who have had threading and according to me who's tried everything).
So to clarify......my course covers:-
Measuring
Shaping
Tinting the hair and the skin
Trimming with scissors
Waxing
Tweezering
Brow make-up
Creating a natural brow
Creating a dramatic brow
We can't discuss prices on here but you can check out my site for prices.
Let me just add that that unless your client has brows to begin with, you can only create a temporary and short lived brows by tinting the skin. FACT! However, I guarantee that you can improve ANY brow.
Anyone who has trained with me will tell you that I don't make false claims or promises. I offer brilliant training but how you progress after you've trained with me is down to the individual. We call hum a tune, but we're not all going to be Mariah Carey! xx
My brow course teaches how I personally create the perfect brow. It's not top secret and I don't claim that it's better than anybody else's course. I teach the technique and you don't have to pay anything else after you've trained and you are welcome to use the Kim Lawless logo (coming soon) without paying any more to do so.
I cover all of the same things except threading. Why? Because why would I do something in 10 mins when I could do it in 5 and achieve the same results with less pain (according to my clients who have had threading and according to me who's tried everything).
So to clarify......my course covers:-
Measuring
Shaping
Tinting the hair and the skin
Trimming with scissors
Waxing
Tweezering
Brow make-up
Creating a natural brow
Creating a dramatic brow
We can't discuss prices on here but you can check out my site for prices.
Let me just add that that unless your client has brows to begin with, you can only create a temporary and short lived brows by tinting the skin. FACT! However, I guarantee that you can improve ANY brow.
Anyone who has trained with me will tell you that I don't make false claims or promises. I offer brilliant training but how you progress after you've trained with me is down to the individual. We call hum a tune, but we're not all going to be Mariah Carey! xx
Well just to update you all I have now been HD'd! Now this is just one salon so I'm not "dissing" the entire concept but here goes! I wasn't given or asked about a patch test for the tint and, for now anyway, my eyebrows are too dark and the tinted skin element just emphasises this! I actually walked back to my car with my hood pulled down over my face - the dark brows are just too much of a contrast with my hair! I like the shape and can now say that I've been threaded - you're right Kim - it does hurt lol!
You're supposed to go back every four weeks but I'm going to see how it pans out before I decide. If I do I'll definitely want a more natural colour, or I might try somewhere else!
The therapist had many years' experience when she did the course, but said that there were people there with no prior beauty experience who really struggled as they weren't previously trained in waxing, tinting, threading etc.
