A good experiment??

[EllaVader]

When I do a manicure and put polish on I get a little disgruntled because after careful application I know that it is going to start coming off in a few days. Where I work we don't use the typical lacquers like OPI, Creative, or Essie, it's a better quality, but even so I know that it won't last for as long as the client, and myself would like. So I did her french manicure, put the top coat on, dried it under the nail dryer, then had an idea. I brushed on a coat of IBD Intense Seal (100% UV gel sealer) and put her nails under the light to cure for about 3 minutes, and when done, they were dry and had the feel that gel or acrylic would after being done. She is going to let me know how it holds up when she comes in for her next hair appointment in January, but I think it was a successful experiment.

Has anyone else tried this same thing? If so, what was your experience with it?

 

[selmarose]

I am interested in how this turns out. Does your client have natural nails? How will you remove the UV coating when you want to re-apply fresh polish? Did you do more than one coat?

 

[sknight]

When I do a manicure and put polish on I get a little disgruntled because after careful application I know that it is going to start coming off in a few days. Where I work we don't use the typical lacquers like OPI, Creative, or Essie, it's a better quality, but even so I know that it won't last for as long as the client, and myself would like. So I did her french manicure, put the top coat on, dried it under the nail dryer, then had an idea. I brushed on a coat of IBD Intense Seal (100% UV gel sealer) and put her nails under the light to cure for about 3 minutes, and when done, they were dry and had the feel that gel or acrylic would after being done. She is going to let me know how it holds up when she comes in for her next hair appointment in January, but I think it was a successful experiment.

Has anyone else tried this same thing? If so, what was your experience with it?

I dont know about essie but I have used OPI and creative and they last weeks, what are you using???

 

[Bev Rose]

My guess is that if this is over natural nails, then the uv top coat will crack as naturals nails are more flexible than enhanced. As I said, it is a guess, also, how will you remove it?
CND do a product called 'Heat Dry', which goes under your table lamp for 3 mins and leaves the enamel touch dry, maybe this would be a better option if the experiement doesn't work.

I use CND enamels, my french manicure can last a week before it starts to look chipped.
I use all cnd, sticky, enamels, super shiney top coat with no problems.

I ensure I have thourghly prepped the nail and removed all traces of oils/lotions before application.

 

[Lynne Baker]

I too use Creative and most clients tell me it lasts for ages, especially on toes. Indeed, one client has a pedi with me once a month and it's pretty much intact from one month to the next!

 

[ValencianNails]

When I do a manicure and put polish on I get a little disgruntled because after careful application I know that it is going to start coming off in a few days.

Where I work we don't use the typical lacquers like OPI, Creative, or Essie, it's a better quality, but even so I know that it won't last for as long as the client

I would say that it's got something to do with your prep and application. I use Creative enamels and one of my French mani clients had her enamel on and intact for over 3 weeks, plus she works in a busy shop, so it goes to show that they do last.

Make sure you prep the nails thoroughly before application (similarly to enhancement prep), ie remove cuticle from nail plate, dehydrate etc, try it and see what results you have.

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

I find it helps to retail some top coat to your clients to put on every 3 days as it also helps to lengthen the life of polish underneath.

Polish does wear off, so as the top coat wears off, apply another. I agree that good prep is a must.

 

[Nail Perfection]

If you do a search you will see that this has been discussed quite a few times. I personally have not had much success from using gel over a natural nail to prolong the polish. In fact my client reported that it chipped quicker than normal! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you may have better success. Good luck!

 

[Mrs Geek]

When I do a manicure and put polish on I get a little disgruntled because after careful application I know that it is going to start coming off in a few days. Where I work we don't use the typical lacquers like OPI, Creative, or Essie, it's a better quality, but even so I know that it won't last for as long as the client, and myself would like. So I did her french manicure, put the top coat on, dried it under the nail dryer, then had an idea. I brushed on a coat of IBD Intense Seal (100% UV gel sealer) and put her nails under the light to cure for about 3 minutes, and when done, they were dry and had the feel that gel or acrylic would after being done. She is going to let me know how it holds up when she comes in for her next hair appointment in January, but I think it was a successful experiment.

Has anyone else tried this same thing? If so, what was your experience with it?

Hmmm it may have appeared successful in the first few minutes of application but real success will be when she comes back with them perfect!

Just out of interest you have mentioned the top nail colour brands and say the brand you use is better but you are not happy with it and neither are your clients due to the fact that it chips... are you sure it is better than the brands you mention??? Why use something that both you and your clients are unhappy with? Why not use something that goes on and stays without all the UV hassle?

Make sure your PREP is perfect too. I wear enamel up to 3 weeks but I use Scrubfresh and Nail Fresh before base coat application!

Tell us more - interesting thread! :idea:

 

[Pink Pink Pink]

Make sure your PREP is perfect too. I wear enamel up to 3 weeks but I use Scrubfresh and Nail Fresh before base coat application!
:idea:

Hmm. I use scrubfresh but never thought of using nail fresh.

Anyway.
At the salon I worked at we used mainly jessica and some mavala, one client lasted 4 weeks and they were still nice (not PERFECT, but still nice!)
I have put nsi's glaze n go over my own nails to try and it cracked - sorry xxx

 

[fairynice]

EzFlow do 'speed finish' which is a uv curing topcoat, specifically for going on top of nail enamel, natural or enhancements....hth

 

[stoney]

Hmmm it may have appeared successful in the first few minutes of application but real success will be when she comes back with them perfect!

Just out of interest you have mentioned the top nail colour brands and say the brand you use is better but you are not happy with it and neither are your clients due to the fact that it chips... are you sure it is better than the brands you mention??? Why use something that both you and your clients are unhappy with? Why not use something that goes on and stays without all the UV hassle?

Make sure your PREP is perfect too. I wear enamel up to 3 weeks but I use Scrubfresh and Nail Fresh before base coat application!

Tell us more - interesting thread! :idea:

I too would love to know which brand you are refering to???

I use Sparitual polishes and my 2/3 weekly manicure clients return to me with their polish intact! It lasts even longer on enhancements.

I have experimented like you, but with NSI's glaze n go, and it cracks. Generally any kind of GEL topcoat would need a non-shiny surface before application.

 

[KitCat]

Even if the nails come back with the polish still intact, I would not be feeling so great about buffing off the gel topcoat each time to be able to take off the color. But that's JMO. :hug:

 

[EllaVader]

When I do a manicure, after pushing back the cuticle and nipping, then the hand massage with lotion I remove the moisture from the nail with a small spray of alcohol and a nail wipe. Then do base coat, 2 coats of color, and then finally top coat.

The brand that my boss carries is called Chinosirie (I doubt I've spelled it right but it's pronounced Shin-wa-zree). When she places her order, she tells them what she needs and then she gets a call back about 3 days later and they tell her they've mixed her order and it's already been shipped so we always get a fresh batch of polish and not anything thats been sitting in a warehouse.

It might be different across the big pond but in the States, the top brands just seem to be getting lower and lower in quality not to mention that they now sell OPI in places like Wal Mart and Target.

Please understand I'm not trying to knock anyone's choice of laquer, this is just coming from my experiences in the short time I've been doing nails. I'm learning as I go, thus the experiment with the gel sealer.

BTW, my plan to get it off the next time she comes it is to gently buff down the layer to weaken and break up some of the oligomers in the sealer then hopefully it will come the rest of the way with acetone. I'm always open for another idea from the more experienced.

Thank you for the replys, I am learning alot from you gals.

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

When I do a manicure, after pushing back the cuticle and nipping

I hope I don't come over as nit picking here, because it is not my intention. However, as this is an educational and professional site, I feel it should be clarified that we should not be pushing back the cuticle, but rather removing it. By all means, gently push back the eponychium, but remove the cuticle with cuticle eraser and using the chosen tool to remove it.

 

[Mrs Geek]

When she places her order, she tells them what she needs and then she gets a call back about 3 days later and they tell her they've mixed her order and it's already been shipped so we always get a fresh batch of polish and not anything thats been sitting in a warehouse.

Thank you for the replys, I am learning alot from you gals.

Hey Ella. Firstly glad you are learning. Secondly I have highlighted the top info because I think this is an absolute marketing 'ploy'... if they were servicing many (and let's face it the USA is huge)... there is absolutey no way they could operate like this... but if you were their only customers... then maybe they could.

I am with you on certain brands being sold in the likes of Walmart... for a professional brand I think it sucks for the pros who use it but... OPI is all about polish so it doesn't surpise me! Anyway post when the client comes back and tell us what happened!!

 

[selmarose]

My experience with polish is that there is always a gimmick of some kind and unless you are trying to retail polish pick the one you like and go with it. It's really more about application than brand. You might get better coverage and finish with some brands because of brush quality so try them all. I never have trusted "freshness". I keep thinner on hand. It is basically a tiny bottle of paint. I also like Sparitual and I like the new plump brush from OPI. I also use Revlon if that is the only place I can get the color I want. I some times mix old polish into a one of a kind "when it's gone it's gone" color. I can not compete with big stores for a retail market in polish. Even though I am charging $6.00 a bottle for the same polish that Fred Meyer is charging $8.00 for, my clients will come in with a new bottle they picked up at the store for me to use on them. I'll save my energy for better products to retail.

 

[nailzoo]

I'd imagine if the polish didn't usually last/chipped of..... then in fact this topcoat sits on top of the polish..... which in turn will come of.

Getting nail polish to adhere is not about whats on top, it's about the foundation/prep and whats underneath that counts.

 

[EllaVader]

Hey Ella. Firstly glad you are learning. Secondly I have highlighted the top info because I think this is an absolute marketing 'ploy'... if they were servicing many (and let's face it the USA is huge)... there is absolutey no way they could operate like this... but if you were their only customers... then maybe they could.

I am with you on certain brands being sold in the likes of Walmart... for a professional brand I think it sucks for the pros who use it but... OPI is all about polish so it doesn't surpise me! Anyway post when the client comes back and tell us what happened!!

Hey there Mrs. Geek...I'm still not sure how the polish mixing goes with this company or how in depth the actual "mixing" is. The lady who created it is named Tammie Ly and she's the manicurist to the stars out in Hollywood so I'm not sure how big the operation is. It would be interesting to know how many other places use and carry her line. I'll have to find and post the link to the website before I go on my Christmas vacation.

I'm going to visit my folks over the holidays and mom wants a french manicure done so I'm going to use the same technique on her. She more active than the client I did it on and I have a better chance of talking to her sooner than 6 weeks so I'll keep you guys updated on both as I find out more.

 

[Anna Lee]

Here is a little information about Chinoiserie Enamels and Tammie Ly for those who are nosey parkers like me... :lol:

( Am I allowed to attach links like this..? Mods, please delete my whole post if not...:hug

Product Review: Chinoiserie Nail Polish - Associated Content

They have a website, but somehow it doesnt seem seem to work....