Apex placement different Creative and Ezflow?

[adelekeegan1]

I was reading Emmsybabes thread in Critiques link

Mention was made of a different placement of the apex between the 2 companies nails. I have never heard of this could someone explain this to me please

 

[Cathie!]

The signature style of the EzFlow nail has the apex placed half way between the stress point and the cuticle as opposed to actually at the stress point.

It doesn't compromise on strength whatsoever but gives the nail a sleeker look....depending on your opinion lol!

I'll try and find a picture to illustrate.

HTH

 

[The Geek]

CND advocate the apex being placed half way between the free edge and the eponychium. This isnt a 'point' but an area (and for Pete's sake... it usually isnt up against the smile)... essentially Zone 2 depending on your design. Zone 1 (the free edge) tapers gently upward to Zone 2 and Zone 3 gently tapers down to the natural nail from the apex.

Hope that makes sense!

 

[adelekeegan1]

Thanks Cathie and Sam :lol::lol::lol:

 

[mercedes69]

Thats interesting to know...I didn't know that...

so what about other companies... ?

 

[sian1979]

i have just done an ezflow conversion course....and also wondered this when taught...as i want to use both brands...how do you decide where is right...i suppose if i use ezflow i do it one way and cnd then i'll do it the other way....i just dont know!!!!

 

[geeg]

You know what??? There is essentially no difference so don't stress (ha ha) about it! Don't make it difficult for yourselves.

I place more product in the centre of the whole enhancement (from free edge to eponychium) and they NEVER break. Doing this ensures a beautiful natural curve from the side view ... a beautiful c curve from the 'down the barrel' view and enormous strength that lasts and lasts every rebalance. This technique has been a signature of mine for many many years .. so much so that many say they can tell my work as soon as they see it on posters or in the magazines.

Many of you are too rigid about these things. If anything a vertical apex gives the sleekest look of all.

As long as the nail you create is balanced and beautiful and strong then you have done things correctly, peeps.

 

[Snugglepuss]

i have just done an ezflow conversion course....and also wondered this when taught...as i want to use both brands...how do you decide where is right...i suppose if i use ezflow i do it one way and cnd then i'll do it the other way....i just dont know!!!!

This is only my opinion, (as I only use one brand) but I would assess your client(s) nails and place the apex in the best place for your client, using the guidelines of both companies (if that makes sense :lol, therefore giving the most pleasing look for them :green:

 

[Susie H]

i have just done an ezflow conversion course....and also wondered this when taught...as i want to use both brands...how do you decide where is right...i suppose if i use ezflow i do it one way and cnd then i'll do it the other way....i just dont know!!!!

Someone told me and I can't remember who:irked: that if you push down gently on the free edge, you will see the stress area whiten and that is the correct place for your apex.
Its how I do it anyway and I get very few breakages, or I should say I did get very few, haven't sold my nails for a while now, but my own don't tend to break:lol:

 

[sian1979]

thanks geeg....was hoping you'd come in on this when i saw you onlne, lol!!
Forgive me for being dumb...what is a 'vertical' apex?
thanks
Thanks snugglepuss....i was thinking that this was gonna be the way to go...

 

[Bev Rose]

Straight up, as opposed to slanted?

When I'd done my models first couple of nails on my conversion, I was told they are typical CND nails!:lol:
I tried to adjust the apex, and did for the conversion, but I'm back to my CND shape.
But as the other poster said, it depends on the nails you are working on at that time too.

 

[The Geek]

Dont get stress areas mixed up with apex placement. That creates ugly ass nails as it calls for you to make the thickest part of the enhacnement around the smile line. Ultimatley it isnt about product - it is about the end look... something sleek, thin and fast to rebalance (meaning no repairs!)

HTHs!

 

[geeg]

thanks geeg....was hoping you'd come in on this when i saw you onlne, lol!!
Forgive me for being dumb...what is a 'vertical' apex?
thanks
Thanks snugglepuss....i was thinking that this was gonna be the way to go...

As I described above ... product is slightly deeper down the centre of the whole enhancement. This creates essentially a crescent moon shape of product if you view it from the end of the finger or C curve is another way to put it.

Using this method means you never have to pinch your clients nails into shape with your fingers ... you've already made the perfect c curve with your brush!

You can do this on EVERY client so no need to worry about where or where not to put more product.

 

[Snugglepuss]

thanks geeg....was hoping you'd come in on this when i saw you onlne, lol!!
Forgive me for being dumb...what is a 'vertical' apex?
thanks
Thanks snugglepuss....i was thinking that this was gonna be the way to go...

You are more than welcome :hug:

As Gigi and Sam have stated, the outcome you want is a beautiful enhanced nail. I did a manicure on a lady tonight and her nails are very wide, with short nail beds in the main, the pinkie nails aren't quite as short/wide etc, but if I were to place the apex in exactly the same place on each nail, then they would not be uniform iykwim, so that is why I said you need to assess and adapt :green: thought it might be useful to add an example :hug:

 

[adelekeegan1]

As I described above ... product is slightly deeper down the centre of the whole enhancement. This creates essentially a crescent moon shape of product if you view it from the end of the finger or C curve is another way to put it.

Using this method means you never have to pinch your clients nails into shape with your fingers ... you've already made the perfect c curve with your brush!

You can do this on EVERY client so no need to worry about where or where not to put more product.

Aha, so I'm doing something right then:lol:

 

[angel fingers]

so now i understand the difference in shape, but WHY do ezflow advocate their style, is it just a nicer look ?

 

[geeg]

so now i understand the difference in shape, but WHY do ezflow advocate their style, is it just a nicer look ?

Because Tom Holcome told them to! :lol:

It is not a nicer look in my opinion ... it is a competition look which is what TH made his name doing.

Competition nails are not pretty, beautiful or natural looking. They are extreme. They are to simply show off what one can do consisently to a pre-determined pattern.

 

[Cathie!]

so now i understand the difference in shape, but WHY do ezflow advocate their style, is it just a nicer look ?

I don't know how to do a multi-quote anymore, something's happened to that!

This is the EzFlow 'signature' style nail and is always what you will see demonstrated on an EzFlow course or stand at a show and as Geeg and also I said it's a matter of opinion whether you like the look for that particular style of nail or not.

You can create the 'signature' nail on every client if you want to, using custom blending and taking the length of the free edge out as long as it needs to be to create the 'signature' style.

As Snugglepuss said, in the salon, you need to adapt to suit your clients nails, lifestyle and needs.....and so you should...that's what we're all about....enhancing what the client was originally given.

There's a big difference IMO in 'signature' or competition nails to salon nails....again, as Geeg said the EzFlow 'signature' nail will show skill in consistency, especially in the competition arena.

And sure the Entity 'signature' nail is not dissimilar.

 

[the-male-geek]

Because Tom Holcome told them to! :lol:

Competition nails are not pretty, beautiful or natural looking. They are extreme. They are to simply show off what one can do consisently to a pre-determined pattern.

Got to disagree with you there Geeg - on at least two of the points. Since I've been involved with the EzFlow team (and the many trade shows), I have been blown away with the elegantly beautiful competition series nails I have witnessed being created by our educators.

Are they natural looking? - probably not......but then why do they have to be.....

Can I ask you this, how many hairstyles are natural?

It's different strokes for different folks.

 

[angel fingers]

i'd love to see a profile view of a typical creative nail and a typical ezflow nail side by side.

anyone ??????????