Crystal colleen
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Shooting down then sorry :biggrin:
Dangers of gel nails
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MissJulesBeauty
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Could not have put it better myself - who is this numpty! Doubt anyone will listen to him, he is droning on about stuff he clearly doesnt know anything about hence why it takes him ten mins to think of his next word... Clients bringing their own tools lol - never in a million years!
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
Firstly the man is not a numpty and secondly perhaps he found a video camera in his face while trying to speak a little daunting ? I think I would hesitate in front of a camera if I thought people would call me names and ridicule me, as you have this person, and when you have to watch every word in case people try to misquote you.
I didn't think what he had to say was too far off the mark as these things go. He was quite right about a couple of 'reports' being written and it is those exact reports that prompted Doug schoon and others to commission a special report from independent UV specialists to give us the real facts.
He wasn't wrong to imply that many nail bars are unsanitary. And he wasn't wrong that many women in north America DO bring their own personal tools to the salon. So don't be too quick to say it'll never happen ... It is happening.
Evaperk
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I have family in the Philippines and was horrified at the salon's hygiene there (i.e. NONE) and so advised my step-mum to take her own tools, but over there they make the nails bleed as a matter of course especially toes where they shape them like almond fingernails! Horrific!
tigi
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oh my lrod, yes let ask the clients to bring their own tools, and whilst they are at it a desk a chair and some products.............in fact lets ask them to do the entire treatments themselves and leave the money in the till for us to collect later.
seriously, this is something that we as professionals should not be advocating. I properely look after my tools and I would never use anyone elses as I have no idea what they have done with it!
we need to be taking responsiblity for our clients welfare (as we do already ) and be given some credit for the fact that we are capable of ensuring our own tools are hygenic.
its a crazy world these days!
tigi
seriously, this is something that we as professionals should not be advocating. I properely look after my tools and I would never use anyone elses as I have no idea what they have done with it!
we need to be taking responsiblity for our clients welfare (as we do already ) and be given some credit for the fact that we are capable of ensuring our own tools are hygenic.
its a crazy world these days!
tigi
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
I would guess that the women who take their own tools to the salon they frequent, do so because they do not see any visible signs that proper disinfection or sanitation is taking place.
I have been into salons (many of them) where they are making a pretense of cleaning their tools by having them standing up in a jar of manky Barbicide with bits floating in it ... I have seen this hundreds of times ... so obvious they do not change the solution when they should and that they do not wash the tools before putting them into the solution. I have seen solution that looks worse than if they just used the same tool on everyone.
Technicians should be making a visible display of cleaning and sanitizing right in front of their clients so clients know it is taking place, and then I doubt they would worry at all. But most technicians DON'T and for everyone of YOU and ME tigi there are hundreds who take no precautionary steps at all. It is no wonder some are concerned and wish to take personal tools.
I take my own shampoo to the hairdressers as I prefer it to the brand they stock .. they don't mind at all. I don't think I would mind a client bringing their own tools to me provided they were of a standard to use professionally. Its no problem to me ... why would it be?
Pinkbunny28
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To be honest I just hate this, when people make things that can be seen by the general public who, more often than not, don't have a clue and are believing a load of rubbish said by someone that hasn't got all the facts.
It's so frustrating!
Eta: not saying everything he said was rubbish but some of it was.
It's so frustrating!
Eta: not saying everything he said was rubbish but some of it was.
I'm sorry to butt in but if you bought your own shampoo to me I would refuse to use it unless our shampoo made your head explode!
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
How silly that would be of you. Perhaps I have special needs where I require a certain shampoo that the salon cannot accommodate? Hmm? Still going to refuse me? I have only been a weekly client for 14 years at my salon ... I wonder how much lost revenue that would add up to? Still going to refuse me?
I have a wash and BD every week and colours(s) high and low lights every 4-5 weeks plus a cut .. still going to refuse me?
VHunter
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PLUS they'd lose out on your gratuities AND the other clients you might refer to their salon.
It's one thing to refuse to use pharmacy colours and perms.
BUT to refuse a shampoo?
RIDICULOUS.
It's one thing to refuse to use pharmacy colours and perms.
BUT to refuse a shampoo?
RIDICULOUS.
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
That they would and yes, I have sent, i DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE TO THE SALON ("Peluqueria Georgette" in Moraira best salon on the Costa Blanca - and no, I do not profit by saying so)
By the way, the Shampoo I take is in a 32 oz professional pump, because it is a professional brand from the States ... it's not Head and Bloody shoulders! :lol:
The brand is called Euphora and contains no petrol chemicals or SLS or water ... where normally there would be water, it is replaced by aloevera. It is only sold to independent salons in the USA ... not only is it a fabulous brand, hairdressers do NOT get dermatitis from using it and my scalp doesn't itch any longer and (who knew??) My hair is actually shiny and in great condition and I NEVER use a conditioner of any kind and only need my hair washing once a week. No wonder I take it with me. http://www.eufora.net/index2.htm
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Do you not trust your stylist enough to make a the right decisions and branding choices? If you have a special need then that's different but how about other clients who may witness my use of your product and think "oh well their products must be crap if people refuse to use them" if you Mis trust your stylist so much that you don't think they are capable of choosing the right shampoo or that theirs isn't good enough then why not find one you do respect and trust? And why are you so bloody rude? your opinions are just that, not fact and my opinions are just as valid as yours but then again you dominate your stylist and override their decisions so maybe that's just the sort of person you are?
VHunter
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I think you need to take a step back before you shoot yourself in the foot.
Whoops too late, I think you did it already.
Have a preference for a specific shampoo is NOT about trusting or not trusting one's stylist: it's simply a PREFENCE, end of.
My best friend is allergic to sulphates and MOST shampoos INCLUDING professional ones contain that very ingredient. So, she brings her own to the salon.
Would you deny her because of her allergies?
It's easily explained to other clients that ask.
Making a mountain of molehill...............
I see quite a bit of rudeness right now, but it's not Gigi.............
As I said if you have a medical reason you can't use shampoo that is different!! Look back at earlier posts where everyones opinions are shot down and people a be littled because they don't agree! It's an open forum for opinions of which everyone has and everyone is entitled too!
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
Yes I totally mistrust her which is why I have been loyally going to her for the last 14 years. And I do totally dominate her and override her decisions because after 20 years in the business she has no voice of her own.
I think the more important point is that she also trusts me and respects me and is delighted that I have found the solution that suits my hair and scalp perfectly because we are friends after all these years .. there is actually nothing else like the Euphora shampoo she tells me.
As for the other clients ... Lord who the heck notices what the shampooer is using or can even see it? My eyes are closed, she is behind me, as well as the products (and that goes for all the other clients as well) and who would notice such a thing apart from maybe another professional stylist? Clients? ... no way. And if they did notice they might think .. nothing at all ... as they wouldn't have a clue if it was the same brand or not.
Not sure what I said that was rude .. perhaps you would point that out to me.
Or is it that you have made yourself look a tad silly and just want to hit back?
I don't believe I stated an opinion, just told my story. You did not need to comment on it but you did with your opinion of how you would treat me, when you had no knowledge of why I chose to bring a different shampoo to the salon and had no idea of any special needs I might be accommodating. It's called jumping in with both feet and it usually gets folks into bother. If stating the truth is rude then you are right I am rude.
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gr8nailz
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You'd be surprised, Gigi. It is protocol in our nail spa to disinfect/sanitize in front of our clients yet some insist on bringing their own implements anyway.
I know that personally I take great care in cleaning my implements and files but I don't know how clients care for their self-brought implements and files. Quite frankly, I wouldn't touch them until they were disinfected and sanitized. None of my clients bring their own implements but there are several clients who frequent the nail spa who do.
I did have a client bring her own implements/files once. I made her sign a disclaimer. I had no idea what kind of nastiness lurked on them. Before I used them, I sanitzied and disinfected them.
gr8nailz
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Holy Crap! What did this thread turn into?!
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
I think it is called foot in mouth disease and thank you for getting us back on topic.
I havent actually ever had anyone bring me their tools, but if they did I would do the same as you and get her to sign and I would certainly clean and disinfect them before using them. Funny how this would probably insult the client where I am not supposed to be insulted by her thinking my tools are dirty!! :lol:
I have had clients bring in polish colours from time to time if they have had a particular preference for colour .. I didn't get my knickers in a twist about it and it saved my the cost of the polish .. the clients paid the same amount as usual ... as I do in the peluqueria quite happily.
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gr8nailz
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You're new to SG so you don't know each of our unique personalities yet. You'll find Gigi is a straight shooter. She's not rude...she's to the point. She respects your opinion but will reply with her very own, non-sugar coated reply.
It's not rude. It's Gigi. Please don't read into it more than what's there.
Get to know us first.
VHunter
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How is it different?
If a client brings a preferred colour of polish that doesn't resemble anything I have, I use it. She's the client, SHE'S paying ME. I still charge full price and don't deduct cost of polish, but it's what SHE wants and it doesn't hurt anyone.
As stated; it quite different when someone A) corrects someone else from making false statement of facts versus B) shares their opinion and story.
These are two very different things.
Disagreeing is not necessarily belittling or rude, however some deem it as rude when someone else disagrees with their "opinion".
On the other hand: I would imagine Gigi is well versed in business, and knows full well about proper client/customer service.
That said, she wouldn't expect her hairdresser to be any different than herself.
She would't expect her hairdresser to accept pharmacy hair colour, for certain no more than Gigi would accept ebay-acrylic from a client.
Do try to be reasonable.
As for clients supplying their own implements... I suppose it's a case by case situation and in some cases preferred, others not so much.k
I know I wouldn't like if a client brought a nasty department store nail file, they're the pits.
But if they wanted to buy the one I prefer working with to keep for themselves and kept it CLEAN, I likely wouldn't complain and would simply sanitize/disinfect as needed.
